Dale Tallon appreciation thread.

[CaptainScrewy]

Thank you for taking Barkov 2nd overall. This was NOT a slam dunk and most pundits had us taking Seth Jones and Barkov going 3rd or 4th in draft.
Thank you for the Bobrovsky contract.

Wouldn't change a thing.

Of course Zito is the mastermind and deserves a statue one day, but Tallon deserves some kudos.

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[Panteras]

No

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

Yes.

Dale, all the best, I hope you're enjoying the links. This team was a dumpster fire and he made it respectable. He didn't make it a champion, but he laid some of the groundwork for it.

 

[ShootIt]

Dale did a good job. Zito did an excellent job.

Dale his first stint here was hampered by poor ownership.
Him drafting Barkov over Drouin and signing Bob was huge in these two cup runs

 

[Hidden]

Dale kinda did here what he did in Chigaco, got the early important pieces and then got replaced by guy who was better at finishing the job.

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Deserved, time ran its course but brought us from the dump.

 

[CaptainScrewy]

No

Taking Barkov at 2 overall alone makes him deserve our thanks. Most pundits had Jones and Drouin rated above him, it was a mild surprise and by no means a slam dunk pick.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Yeah Tallon is always the builder, but never the finished product. I appreciate his efforts. Zito is just a magician though.

 

[ratmanfu]

Bringing in Jagr was a key to enhancing Barkov’s possession game and cycling play.

 

[ShootIt]

Taking Barkov at 2 overall alone makes him deserve our thanks. Most pundits had Jones and Drouin rated above him, it was a mild surprise and by no means a slam dunk pick.

Yup.

Before the draft it was MacKinnon #1, then a toss up between Jones, Drouin and Barkov.

Now, who knows how the actual scouts saw it, but it was a pick that wasn't a slam dunk can't miss type of prospect at the time.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Thank you for taking Barkov 2nd overall. This was NOT a slam dunk and most pundits had us taking Seth Jones and Barkov going 3rd or 4th in draft.
Thank you for the Bobrovsky contract.

Wouldn't change a thing.

Of course Zito is the mastermind and deserves a statue one day, but Tallon deserves some kudos.

Here here!

 

[OTC]

Thank you for taking Barkov 2nd overall. This was NOT a slam dunk and most pundits had us taking Seth Jones and Barkov going 3rd or 4th in draft.
Thank you for the Bobrovsky contract.

Wouldn't change a thing.

Of course Zito is the mastermind and deserves a statue one day, but Tallon deserves some kudos.

Tallon put that Blackhawks team together too. Congrats Panthers!!

 

[CaptainScrewy]

Yup.

Before the draft it was MacKinnon #1, then a toss up between Jones, Drouin and Barkov.

Now, who knows how the actual scouts saw it, but it was a pick that wasn't a slam dunk can't miss type of prospect at the time.

Taking Barkov and hiring Zito are the two biggest moves that got us this cup.

 

[Skeletorrr]

Taking Barkov at 2 overall alone makes him deserve our thanks. Most pundits had Jones and Drouin rated above him, it was a mild surprise and by no means a slam dunk pick.

I remember Don Cherry not being happy about that pick
Consequently that was when I started following NHL more closely again after a long time and rooting for Panthers again.

 

[I am not exposed]

Yup.

Before the draft it was MacKinnon #1, then a toss up between Jones, Drouin and Barkov.

Now, who knows how the actual scouts saw it, but it was a pick that wasn't a slam dunk can't miss type of prospect at the time.

It was a Finnish scout who was very adamant about Barkov. Tallon shouldn't get too much credit tbh

 

[RogerRoger]

Tallon had its up and down, on the whole I think it was slightly better than average, which was a huge improvement for the Panthers. But just as he did in Chicago, he couldn't use all of his resources to push hard for it. Recently Kipper & Bourne interviewed a former scout under Tallon and he mentioned how (I'm not sure proud is the right word) proud he was that they left the "cupboard" full. It was time we swapped the cupboard for hardware.

 

[CaptainScrewy]

It was a Finnish scout who was very adamant about Barkov. Tallon shouldn't get too much credit tbh

I mean that's silly to say. He deserves tons of credit for actually listening to his scouts in the proper way. He could have been stubborn and taken the #1 overall player (Jones was ranked above Mackinnon in final central scouting rankings) and big rugged American Defenseman. I am sure some scouts wanted Jones too. He picked the right one to listen to.

 

[Skeletorrr]

It was a Finnish scout who was very adamant about Barkov. Tallon shouldn't get too much credit tbh

I believe it was Jari kekäläinen, brother of Jarmo Kekäläinen. Anyhow, Tallon made the right choice back then.

 

[I am not exposed]

I mean that's silly to say. He deserves tons of credit for actually listening to his scouts in the proper way. He could have been stubborn and taken the #1 overall player (Jones was ranked above Mackinnon in final central scouting rankings) and big rugged American Defenseman. I am sure some scouts wanted Jones too. He picked the right one to listen to.

It really isn't. His impact was minimal.

 

[barkovcanfinnish]

Dale did what he did in Chicago. He had acquired a lot of good players through drafting but couldn't quite get it done.

Dale has Barkov, Ekblad, Lustorainen, and Bobrovsky to hold his head high about today. Everyone else was all Bill Zito.

As others said, Dale brought us back to relevancy, Zito brought us into being one of the best teams in the league.

 

[MarotteMarauder]

Simply put, no Dale, no Zito, no Cup

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Dale kinda did here what he did in Chigaco, got the early important pieces and then got replaced by guy who was better at finishing the job.

Actually, Mike Smith and Bob Pulford laid foundation

Keith (Drafted by Smith)
Seabrook (Drafted by Smith)
Byfuglien (Drafted by Smith)
Crawford (Drafted by Smith)
Burish (Drafted by Smith)
Bolland (Drafted by Pulford)
Bickell (Drafted by Pulford)
Brouwer (Drafted by Pulford)

Dale brought in a few important players including the faces of franchise

Hjalmarsson (Drafted by Tallon)
Toews (Drafted by Tallon)
Kane (Drafted by Tallon)
Sharp (Acquired in trade)
Versteeg (Acquired in trade)
Ladd (Acquired in trade)
Niemi (UDFA)
Hendry (UDFA)
Sopel (FA)
Campbell (FA)

Bowman closed the deal

Hossa (FA)
Kopecky (FA)
Madden (FA)
Boynton (Trade)

2010 Cup team was the work of 4 GM"s coming together as a championship team

But Hawks don't win any cups if Tallon isn't fired since he wanted Havlat extended longterm while Bowman's brought in Hossa

No Hossa = No Cups
Havlat extended longterm = Would have been disaster

Also, Dale couldn't manage cap for shit, so I doubt he is able to get things back in place for 2013 and 2015 cup finals. Bowman traded the right guys away off 2010 and 2013 cup teams and matched the Hjalmarsson offer sheet instead of retaining Niemi

Bowman was also a better drafter than Tallon and had some key trades (Oduya, Leddy, etc) that allowed Hawks to win 2nd/3rd cups

Dale deserves credit for bringing in some pieces, but he just is not a good GM at end of day and would likely have not made right moves to get Panthers to this point

 

[Hidden]

Dale deserves credit for bringing in some pieces, but he just is not a good GM at end of day and would likely have not made right moves to get Panthers to this point

Which is why I had the "then got replaced by guy who was better at finishing the job."
In Chigaco it was Bowman and in Florida it was eventually Zito. I have never been fully blind to the fact that Dale isn't the guy who can take you to the finish line.

 

[KW]

Actually, Mike Smith and Bob Pulford laid foundation

Keith (Drafted by Smith)
Seabrook (Drafted by Smith)
Byfuglien (Drafted by Smith)
Crawford (Drafted by Smith)
Burish (Drafted by Smith)
Bolland (Drafted by Pulford)
Bickell (Drafted by Pulford)
Brouwer (Drafted by Pulford)

Dale brought in a few important players including the faces of franchise

Hjalmarsson (Drafted by Tallon)
Toews (Drafted by Tallon)
Kane (Drafted by Tallon)
Sharp (Acquired in trade)
Versteeg (Acquired in trade)
Ladd (Acquired in trade)
Niemi (UDFA)
Hendry (UDFA)
Sopel (FA)
Campbell (FA)

Bowman closed the deal

Hossa (FA)
Kopecky (FA)
Madden (FA)
Boynton (Trade)

2010 Cup team was the work of 4 GM"s coming together as a championship team

But Hawks don't win any cups if Tallon isn't fired since he wanted Havlat extended longterm while Bowman's brought in Hossa

No Hossa = No Cups
Havlat extended longterm = Would have been disaster

Also, Dale couldn't manage cap for shit, so I doubt he is able to get things back in place for 2013 and 2015 cup finals. Bowman traded the right guys away off 2010 and 2013 cup teams and matched the Hjalmarsson offer sheet instead of retaining Niemi

Bowman was also a better drafter than Tallon and had some key trades (Oduya, Leddy, etc) that allowed Hawks to win 2nd/3rd cups

Dale deserves credit for bringing in some pieces, but he just is not a good GM at end of day and would likely have not made right moves to get Panthers to this point

Great summary; I think I’ve read something along the same lines before - DT was not the one to sew together a cup team.

Another thing you say here, which may be a bit early for many Panthers fans… but is critical… Bowman traded away the right guys after the first and second cup to keep it all going. I’m pretty sure Zito will do something similar. He knows whom he wants and will talk to Mo about it. He needs to make some key changes, some not that popular, to keep the cup engine burning.

 

[Chessarmy]

Barkov
Bobrovsky

Two biggest reasons to thank Dale.

One day we may also be thanking him for Spencer Knight