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Carolinas Identity*

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I hope this is the right forum for this, and I do not want to get into politics or anything (there is another forum for that, which you should absolutely never go to :laugh:), but just something I was musing over while absent mindidly staring at a map on my wall.

Speaking *strictly* from a hockey stand point, if the Czech Republic and Slovakia were still the same country today, how competitive could they be at International events?

Both countries have proven stars with accolades, and both have solid youth programs, both are mainstays in pretty much everything, but are never really touted as serious championship contenders. But if you combined their rosters, what heights could their teams reach?

Just looking for some opinions, because I think that they'd be able to ice a pretty formidable team (Olympics, or WJC). imo anyway.
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The Czech Rep. alone is the 6th best team but closer to 7th than 5th.

Czechoslovakia would be the 6th best team but closer to 5th than 7th.
 
Irriducibile said:
The Czech Rep. alone is the 6th best team but closer to 7th than 5th.

Czechoslovakia would be the 6th best team but closer to 5th than 7th.
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I think those comparisons are always a bit tricky. I would see Canada as clear number 1. On a very good day I think all the other teams can beat each other. I think that Czech NHL offense can compete with Swedish/Finnish/Russian and USA on a good level. The biggest difference to most of the above mentioned teams is our defense, where we simply lack talented NHL-potential players, blue liners, offensive defensemen, etc.

To your question: I think that as Czechoslovakia in hockey terms we would clearly be more successful, a lot more players to chose from (Halak, Gaborik, Hossa, Chara, Sekera, Jurco, Tatar etc...). Especially the current Slovak defense is more experienced than Czech in NHL terms. But I think this question can not be isolated from the political one, Im afraid ;-)

Together I think we could even beat Canada, although only on a magical day :)
 
At this point, Slovakia isn't that good to really benefit the Czech team that much as they would 5-10 years ago. For example, if you combined the rosters from 2010 olympics into one, that would be a pretty damn good team. Right now, not so much. Not much of a difference imo. But that may change in the future perhaps.
 
And team Soviet Union would be almost all Russian players. Teams East and West Germanys wouldn't be that good. Team Jugoslavia=Slovenia+Rendulic and maybe someone else.
 
alko said:
Maybe now they will need "magic". But old days, early 2000s, wow. That could be a team.
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Team Czechoslovakia 2000s Dream Team?

Hašek
Vokoun
Halák

Chára - ViÅ¡ňovský
Kaberle - Židlický
Hamrlík - Kubina
Å paček - Å vehla

Eliáš - Straka - Jágr
Gáborík - Demitra - Hossa
Bondra - Šatan - Pálffy
Prospal - Lang - Hejduk
 
I'm wondering if anybody from this years Slovak team would make it on the Czech team.
 
I agree with the general sentiment in here. It wouldn't make a huge difference today. In the 2000s if you could augment the Czech roster with the Slovakian stars that would have been a very dangerous team. For instance, at the 2004 World Cup in the semi finals the Czechs outplayed Canada and were unlucky not to advance to the finals. Add in Chara, Gaborik, Hossa and Palffy and it wouldn't be a surprise at all if that team won the tournament. 2006 Olympics would be very interesting as well, and even the 2010 tournament when Slovakia really pushed Canada in the semi finals.
 
Not sure about today but on paper, Czechoslovakian team around 2000 would be an absolute powerhouse.

Jagr, Elias, Hejduk, Palffy, Satan, Hossa, Bondra, Demitra, Straka, Prospal, Rucinsky, Lang, Sykora, Nedved, Havlat etc. etc.

Kaberle, Hamrlik, Visnovsky, Svehla, Spacek, Zidlicky, Chara etc. etc.

Hasek, Cechmanek, Vokoun ...

All these guys in their prime.
 
We would be able to Get to semis in last World cup imo. Neither country has depth now but in short term tourney we desperately miss what slovaks exactly still have - experienced defenders in Sekera and Chara, experienced golie in Halak + Hosa and Tatar. I dont have time to write current roster, but it would be interesting
 
penepi said:
Quite sure about Čajkovský, Sersen, L. Hudáček, BakoÅ¡. Perhaps also MikuÅ¡ and Dravecký would have decent chances.
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Cajkovsky is pretty good, I agree with that. Hudacek, Bakos and Dravecky maybe.. although I think Czechs have a lot of players on their level. And I have no idea why would the Czech team even think about considering Mikus and Sersen.
 
Jakub1904 said:
Cajkovsky is pretty good, I agree with that. Hudacek, Bakos and Dravecky maybe.. although I think Czechs have a lot of players on their level. And I have no idea why would the Czech team even think about considering Mikus and Sersen.
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Well, because their defense is not that deep. And Sersen is capable of solid performances; was better than Kundrátek (on Czech team) in number of matches in Slovan this season. But it was just my guess, I am certainly not going to argue about those names. Oh, and I forgot Miklík.
 
penepi said:
Well, because their defense is not that deep. And Sersen is capable of solid performances; was better than Kundrátek (on Czech team) in number of matches in Slovan this season. But it was just my guess, I am certainly not going to argue about those names. Oh, and I forgot Miklík.
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What happened to Daloga? From what I remember from him in czech league, he would be tested in czech national team for sure.
 
penepi said:
Well, because their defense is not that deep. And Sersen is capable of solid performances; was better than Kundrátek (on Czech team) in number of matches in Slovan this season. But it was just my guess, I am certainly not going to argue about those names. Oh, and I forgot Miklík.
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Kundratek was the best d-man in Slovan overall this season imo. I don't really like Sersen, he is slow and takes bad shots, I just can't imagine him on the Czech team. And when talking about guys like Bakos, Miklik, Hudacek etc., I certainly don't think any one of them would be a lock for the Czech team, their depth is simply on a whole another level than ours.

All in all, in the 2000-2010 era Czechoslovak team would be incredible but today, I don't think we would benefit the Czech team in any way.
 
Jakub1904 said:
Kundratek was the best d-man in Slovan overall this season imo. I don't really like Sersen, he is slow and takes bad shots, I just can't imagine him on the Czech team. And when talking about guys like Bakos, Miklik, Hudacek etc., I certainly don't think any one of them would be a lock for the Czech team, their depth is simply on a whole another level than ours.

All in all, in the 2000-2010 era Czechoslovak team would be incredible but today, I don't think we would benefit the Czech team in any way.
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Okay, after seeing the Czech final roster I must agree. Although I don't know much about Hanzl, Lev, Holík and Hyka, maybe only BakoÅ¡ would make this team from our forwards. And the aforementioned Čajkovský...
 
penepi said:
Team Czechoslovakia 2000s Dream Team?

Hašek
Vokoun
Halák

Chára - Višňovský
Kaberle - Židlický
Hamrlík - Kubina
Špaček - Švehla

Eliáš - Straka - Jágr
Gáborík - Demitra - Hossa
Bondra - Šatan - Pálffy
Prospal - Lang - Hejduk
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Satan was not a center. And there is better players than Prospal.

Imo:

Hašek
Vokoun
Cechmanek

Chára - Višňovský
Kaberle - Svehla
Hamrlík - Židlický

Straka - Eliáš - Jágr
Gáborík - Demitra - Hossa
Bondra - Stumpel - Pálffy
Satan - Holik - Hejduk
 
penepi said:
Handzuš > Stumpel
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Whaat? Bondra-Stumpel-Palffy was probably the best line we ever had, along with Gaborik-Demitra-Hossa. Handzus was/is a great center for the third line, but in terms of hockey skills, Stumpel was on another level imo.
 
Jakub1904 said:
Whaat? Bondra-Stumpel-Palffy was probably the best line we ever had, along with Gaborik-Demitra-Hossa. Handzus was/is a great center for the third line, but in terms of hockey skills, Stumpel was on another level imo.
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This is a highly hyphothetical discussion. My point is only that we are speaking of 2000s dream team, not post-1993 dream team - then we could add up Stastny and many others. And, overall, Handzuš was better than Stumpel in 2000s, especially in mid- and late-2000s.
 
penepi said:
This is a highly hyphothetical discussion. My point is only that we are speaking of 2000s dream team, not post-1993 dream team - then we could add up Stastny and many others. And, overall, Handzuš was better than Stumpel in 2000s, especially in mid- and late-2000s.
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True. As a defense center he should be cemented in the 3. line. He was second in Selke Trophy in 1999/2000.
 
Well, as you said, it's just a discussion, but it seems like a crime to me not to include Stumpel with Palffy and Bondra :laugh:
 
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