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Xokkeu said:
The final bit of the paragraph is just odd
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Actually it makes total sense, you just refuse to accept reality, the best players play in the NHL, and the best Europeans/Russians don't care about the rest of the world's hockey anymore than "the NHL" does (they prove it by playing in the NHL! they're part of "the NHL" that's being attacked in this thread)



Xokkeu said:
You said pro v amateurs.
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Yep, my wording mistake, doesn't change the meaning of what I said at all

The "pro" Leagues in Europe/Russia are meaningless, that's why this thread exists, to be a legitimate best-on-best tournament the Olympics need the NHL (but the NHL doesn't need the Olympics)



Xokkeu said:
Google it
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Don't need to, I live in Canada/follow hockey, the World Cup just happened, this thread exists



I'm done here with this thread, opinions have been expressed, time to move on :)
 
Nino33 said:
Actually it makes total sense, you just refuse to accept reality, the best players play in the NHL, and the best Europeans/Russians don't care about the rest of the world's hockey anymore than "the NHL" does (they prove it by playing in the NHL! they're part of "the NHL" that's being attacked in this thread)



Yep, my wording mistake, doesn't change the meaning of what I said at all

The "pro" Leagues in Europe/Russia are meaningless, that's why this thread exists, to be a legitimate best-on-best tournament the Olympics need the NHL (but the NHL doesn't need the Olympics)



Don't need to, I live in Canada/follow hockey, the World Cup just happened, this thread exists



I'm done here with this thread, opinions have been expressed, time to move on :)
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Playing in the NHL is hardly correlated to not caring about your home country. What a weird statement.
 
Nino33 said:
Why don't you rant about how the "foreigners" should play at home? If these other Leagues and international competition like the Olympics were so important to them, wouldn't they? Or are they just in it for the money?
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So, I should rant about something "our" players might or might not do after the NHL might or might not go to the Olympics because strawman?
 
Well I wanted to let it go, but I don't like being misrepresented...


Xokkeu said:
Playing in the NHL is hardly correlated to not caring about your home country. What a weird statement.
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I said nothing about their caring about their home countries, just pointed out they choose the NHL, not the Leagues in their home countries (that all prioritize international competition)


holyprime said:
So, I should rant about something "our" players might or might not do after the NHL might or might not go to the Olympics because strawman?
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You bash the NHL because of something that might or might not happen! If the players wanted to prioritize international competition they could choose not to play in the NHL
 
Nino33 said:
Well I wanted to let it go, but I don't like being misrepresented...


I said nothing about their caring about their home countries, just pointed out they choose the NHL, not the Leagues in their home countries (that all prioritize international competition)
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No one is saying Teemu Selanne or Patrik Laine should go back and play for Jokerit or TPS. But it's nice once every blue moon to see your players play for your team. Ie Finland. Or Sweden. Or America. Or Canada.
 
Euro players generally think Olympics>Stanley cup.

Dont know about NA players but, to me it´s clearly bigger to play for your country than for some club team where you basically chase the $.

AINEC
 
Booster said:
Euro players generally think Olympics>Stanley cup.

Dont know about NA players but, to me it´s clearly bigger to play for your country than for some club team where you basically chase the $.

AINEC
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IMO if the top European/Russian players believed what you do they wouldn't be in the NHL "where you basically chase the $" (they miss out on a lot of international competition every year playing in the NHL, regardless of the Olympics); I've read of many players not from NA who said they grew up dreaming of playing in the NHL (for the best players it's the best league in the world by far, with the hardest championship to win by far)

AINEC
 
Booster said:
Euro players generally think Olympics>Stanley cup.

Dont know about NA players but, to me it´s clearly bigger to play for your country than for some club team where you basically chase the $.

AINEC
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I'd say majority of North Americans have the Stanley cup at #1
 
in the 80's Canada used to have an Olympic Team that played together all the time. If the NHL quits going to the Olympics I hope to see this happen again. It's another opportunity for players who don't make the cut in pro hockey.
 
Booster said:
Euro players generally think Olympics>Stanley cup.

Dont know about NA players but, to me it´s clearly bigger to play for your country than for some club team where you basically chase the $.

AINEC
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how do you know that, did some players say that?

From what I have heard, every and I mean every player says that the olympics and the stanley cup are basically equal and hard to compare. This is not even about "representing your nation debate", because you can clearly tell that for example Swedish players have no much interest in representing Sweden at the World Championships and of course many many others from other countries too. If representing your nation ALONE was such a big deal, we would see much more NHL players at this tournament every year.
 
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Koss said:
in the 80's Canada used to have an Olympic Team that played together all the time. If the NHL quits going to the Olympics I hope to see this happen again. It's another opportunity for players who don't make the cut in pro hockey.
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I kind of miss the old full time national team, maybe it is just nostalgia.

Anyway I also think it would be a good idea should nhl participation be a thing of the past and I bet it would have more success at the olympics then the old versions used to have. No longer would you have to play full time play together best players they have team Russias and Czechs teams anymore. I bet a hypothetical team like that could even beat the best khl'ers and available nhl Russian guys these days just because Canada as a hockey country is so much better on the big ice then they used to be but also would be playing together all the time. It would turn the tables a bit from the old days. We have the depth talent wise below the nhl to beat a thrown together khl/nhl Russian team these days even if the Russian team has more talent on paper available for the olympics. The team play edge could really tip the tables these days for us against some team flying in Ovechkin and company with 2 practices under their belt before their first game.

It's a new world out there in 2016.
 
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Booster said:
Euro players generally think Olympics>Stanley cup.

Dont know about NA players but, to me it´s clearly bigger to play for your country than for some club team where you basically chase the $.

AINEC
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Finnish players generally think Stanley Cup > Olympics.

Selänne has said winning the Stanley Cup is the biggest thing a hockey player can win (well, of course he's saying that, he never won the olympic gold, lol).

A couple years ago in an interview (before winning the Stanley Cup and retiring) Kimmo Timonen said that losing the Stanley Cup final was more painful than losing the Olympic final.

Rask also said in an interview just before the World Cup that he'd rather win The Stanley Cup (as a starting goalie) than Olympic gold/World cup.
 
Xokkeu said:
No one is saying Teemu Selanne or Patrik Laine should go back and play for Jokerit or TPS. But it's nice once every blue moon to see your players play for your team. Ie Finland. Or Sweden. Or America. Or Canada.
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Laine is from Tappara. That is the worst insult to player from Tampere that he is from Turku.
 
Bear12Good said:
Russian NHL players think Olympics and IIHF Worlds > Stanley cup or WCOH.
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Russian fans say such things that's for sure, but the best Russian players are in the NHL (clearly playing in the NHL puts playing in the Worlds at risk...are you suggesting they lose on purpose to avoid NHL playoff play to play in the Worlds?)

Top Russian players, like top players from other countries, haven't had to make a choice about the Olympics since 1994....so there are no Russian NHL players (where the best players play) that have ever chosen the Olympics over the NHL (and I doubt any will, including Ovechkin, if the NHL doesn't participate.....talk is easy, talk is cheap)
 
It won't be going back to amateur. KHL and European leagues will no doubt be taking a break.

I would prefer an U20 tournament myself. However, my guess is that they are going to revert back to having national teams that play together all season. If done the right way it could work.
 
Rob said:
It won't be going back to amateur. KHL and European leagues will no doubt be taking a break.

I would prefer an U20 tournament myself. However, my guess is that they are going to revert back to having national teams that play together all season. If done the right way it could work.
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It's just going to be KHL, euro league, NCAA and maybe AHL players.
 
The silliest thing about this whole thing is if the NHL skips the 2018 Olympics (which I doubt they do, I think an 11th hour deal gets done), they are heading to Beijing in 2022.

2022 looks to be a guarantee for NHL participation in Beijing, China wants to ensure success of these games and NHL participation in the marquee team event is a priority. Covering costs will not be an issue at the 2022 Games. The NHL will be at the 2022 Olympics, my opinion only.

Doesn't make sense to me to miss 2018 when they are participating in 2022, I'm still convinced of an 11th hour deal for NHL participation.
 
Xokkeu said:
What amateur event? NCAA ??
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I think the Olympics have evolved to the point where the only genuine (by definition) amateurs are those participating in sports that have no professional options. Other than a few who may be new to their sport or unproven enough to have made it professionally.
 
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