The Crypto Guy
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Another 2 weeks? At least a month. All signs are pointing to extending it to June 6th.
OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VI (NO RIOT/PROTEST DISCUSSION)
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will1066
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I referenced Office Space a few days ago with some coworkers for a different reason, ha.
My guess is the initial drop might have been an overreaction and the markets correct itself as more information becomes available. But nothing beats a good conspiracy theory.
eco's bones
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The Western New York region I don't think so. Buffalo's pretty hard hit. The areas most likely to open up gradually first are the Southern Tier (including Binghamton and Ithaca), North Country (including Plattsburgh), Central New York ( including Syracuse), Finger Lakes (including Rochester), Mohawk Valley (including Utica). A lot of counties in these regions are not that densely populated. When the Capital Region (Albany) opens up that will be a big step forward and may be about the time when other regions move into phase 2.
Machinehead
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Debating the reopening is fine but at some point, we're not gonna have much of a choice.
Getting help from the federal government just for this wave was pulling teeth. There's going to be a second one, maybe a third.
Most of that was pocketed at the top anyway and who knows what twisted shit they inserted into that legislation?
Any hope that a bad enough crisis would force them to act should be long dead.
We're getting sent back to the money harvest and it's gonna be "good luck; don't die." When has it ever been different?
Getting help from the federal government just for this wave was pulling teeth. There's going to be a second one, maybe a third.
Most of that was pocketed at the top anyway and who knows what twisted shit they inserted into that legislation?
Any hope that a bad enough crisis would force them to act should be long dead.
We're getting sent back to the money harvest and it's gonna be "good luck; don't die." When has it ever been different?
I think Cuomo is leaving it up to the counties. I know NJ extended the order to June, but Cuomo was letting the county governments decide, I expect NYC, the boroughs , and LI to remain the same at least till next month.
The Crypto Guy
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Is he? I thought he was maintaining full control over when the regions will open based on if they passed the 7 criterias? I could be wrong though, hard to keep track of everthing.
I am not sure if it will be based on region or county. I think Phase 1 will start for most suburban counties on May 15th, then two weeks later Phase 2, then another 2 weeks phase 3, which is a lot closer to normalcy since restaurants and whatnot can re-open. I found this article..
Everything We Do and Don’t Know About New York’s Reopening Plan
Barnaby
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Is that really true though? Most of these temporary hospitals were never used and we had plenty of ventilators on hand. The big complaint would be lack of testing which has been disappointing but less important than hospitals, hospital beds, and ventilators.
Chaels Arms
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We should see another update of the reopening factors chart which will give us a better idea of where everyone is. But I think the official NY PAUSE order is going to expire and counties will then be allowed to open up once they have met all the criteria.
Good article here addressing some of the confusion:
Cuomo Extends Authority for ‘PAUSE’ Order, But Some Reopening Still Possible After May 15
Good article here addressing some of the confusion:
Cuomo Extends Authority for ‘PAUSE’ Order, But Some Reopening Still Possible After May 15
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Machinehead
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Because... your criticizing the Federal Government and are ignoring what they’ve done... The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers building hospitals is very relevant... The US Navy hospital ships that were barely used - sent to blue states that were at highest risk NY-CA ... provided by the US Federal government... More ventilators than NY could use... for all the test bashing, we are at or near the top of the world. Mistakes were made, complaints are relevant, but give me a break.
You want to complain about loans? Many people are getting more than they made so...
I do agree that I’d like to see more for small business - 100% on that
Did you have time to look at my reply yesterday? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on that!
Machinehead
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Yeah, because the federal government provided all of NY's equipment.
Mass unemployment is only going to get worse as this progresses. Do you think anything is going to be done? We got our 1200 "f*** off" bucks. That was it.
Many people still haven't gotten any money from unemployment and that runs out eventually.
The government is not going to secure our standard of living through a prolonged lockdown. This is a cold take.
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I'm only on the second chapter. It takes a bit to read a novel.
eco's bones
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It's all been left up to the governors really and Cuomo has teamed up with Baker, Lamont, Wolf, Carney, Raimondi and Murphy and all those states are intending to progress together.......and the question of whether Trump intervenes to push them--I'm not sure that any of them will break off to follow the POTUS. What kind of leverage does he really have? As well there are midwestern and Western coalitions of states and all seem to be at odds ends with Trump. By not taking any responsibility at all he's set up a divide among the states.
But even a gradual reopening comes with risks and those states rushing ahead IMO are eventually going to pay for it. And what happens then? You can try to pound a square peg into a round hole but it never works so really I think that betweens the waves and the rushed reopening we're going to have setbacks and if the setbacks are harsh enough shit will stop on its own. Not everybody is going to choose their job over seriously risking their lives and if your local hospital is overwhelmed---sirens going off everywhere and ambulances flying about non stop there's only so long that can go on before things grind to a halt. It's why everything has to be be done with care and thought. Those are qualities that the POTUS lacks.
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Everything has to be done with care and thought, of course, but at some point, it's going to be "tough shit" for those who have lost their jobs.
Cuomo runs things in the state and he has his coalition of governors, but the feds fund unemployment. That will run out at some point. It's going to be "tough shit."
Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention to this country for awhile.
eco's bones
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It's already tough shit but once you stop paying unemployment of any kind then what happens?--because you're turning off a tap that was there long before the virus and jobs aren't going to automatically come back or businesses open up just because Donald says 'go back to work'. Some will but a lot won't.
I've been watching the federal government stringing out the same shit and lies for years and sometimes decades. There is a lot of hocus pocus that goes on with our economy. Look at pre and post 2008. And really how many millions can you leave out in the cold? Cutting off unemployment at this point in time would be tantamount to cutting off social security. I've been waiting for a long while for the political party that will do that because IMO that party will be destroyed the very next election. Old people tend to be conservative but they do vote and if you depend on their vote and you f*** with them they will kill you. My guess it will be the same for people who have been doing 'the right thing' their entire lives who have had their lives upended with this virus. Take away their means of survival and those they hold most responsible will pay.
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I am not looking forward to walking into my superspreader office and just may work at home long enough so that I get forgotten.
I have gotten more work done at home. Going to continue working remotely some days even after this thing is over.
eco's bones
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We'll put it this way a President has discretionary powers over a lot of things and can invoke executive or emergency order on at least some things if he/she chooses to do if congress won't act as he/she desires. The President does not have the power of the purse--that belongs to Congress--specifically to the House of Representatives. They fund and direct funding. There are powers that the Senate has that are specific to that branch of Congress. For instance approval of Supreme Court Justices and lesser judges.
So there have been numerous articles on presidential powers since Covid 19 popped up. I chose this one below because it was one of the first two that popped up on a google search but there are plenty of others:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/tru...ity-to-open-up-states-after-coronarvirus.html
The argument here is that governors have very broad powers on health and safety issues respective to their states that a president cannot override. It goes on further to state the federal government did not shut down the country and asks how do you reopen something you never closed---that in this event what happened was that individual governors shut down their respective states because of safety and health risk and that respective to that those governors are the ones who have the powers to rescind those decisions and reopen when they (and not the president) decide it's safe enough again and we may as well mention there were a few states that did not shut down. South Dakota, Iowa etc. So opening of states does not appear to be within the power of the president at least in this case of pandemic.
Back to Congress and specifically the House of Representatives concerning its power of the purse and unemployment insurance. They legislate on funding--if legislation wins majority--goes on to the Senate to vote again--if it wins majority approval goes on to the president who signs or vetoes. In the case of the coronavirus stimulus bill--it was approved by both houses and signed by the president. There's no rescinding of that right now and FWIW I know plenty of people who are still waiting for their check. But anycase all economic stuff starts pretty much with the house--not the president--not the Senate. As to question of whether a president can cherrypick and punish individual states that do not do not do as he/she desire---I don't think so when they are not in defiance of a federal law or mandate. It seems to me that all the withholding of highway funds from years ago was pretty much because of certain states not abiding by newly legislated regulation. So in that case I think the president has nowhere to go on that.
We're at conundrum time and it's up to our political leaders to figure it out and I don't think abolishing unemployment or social security is on the menu and I don't think the president can just wave a wand and make it go away--executive or emergency orders or not. Maybe the federal govt. could do what's been asked of some states and declare bankruptcy. Don't see that happening either.
So there have been numerous articles on presidential powers since Covid 19 popped up. I chose this one below because it was one of the first two that popped up on a google search but there are plenty of others:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/tru...ity-to-open-up-states-after-coronarvirus.html
The argument here is that governors have very broad powers on health and safety issues respective to their states that a president cannot override. It goes on further to state the federal government did not shut down the country and asks how do you reopen something you never closed---that in this event what happened was that individual governors shut down their respective states because of safety and health risk and that respective to that those governors are the ones who have the powers to rescind those decisions and reopen when they (and not the president) decide it's safe enough again and we may as well mention there were a few states that did not shut down. South Dakota, Iowa etc. So opening of states does not appear to be within the power of the president at least in this case of pandemic.
Back to Congress and specifically the House of Representatives concerning its power of the purse and unemployment insurance. They legislate on funding--if legislation wins majority--goes on to the Senate to vote again--if it wins majority approval goes on to the president who signs or vetoes. In the case of the coronavirus stimulus bill--it was approved by both houses and signed by the president. There's no rescinding of that right now and FWIW I know plenty of people who are still waiting for their check. But anycase all economic stuff starts pretty much with the house--not the president--not the Senate. As to question of whether a president can cherrypick and punish individual states that do not do not do as he/she desire---I don't think so when they are not in defiance of a federal law or mandate. It seems to me that all the withholding of highway funds from years ago was pretty much because of certain states not abiding by newly legislated regulation. So in that case I think the president has nowhere to go on that.
We're at conundrum time and it's up to our political leaders to figure it out and I don't think abolishing unemployment or social security is on the menu and I don't think the president can just wave a wand and make it go away--executive or emergency orders or not. Maybe the federal govt. could do what's been asked of some states and declare bankruptcy. Don't see that happening either.
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Numbers in NYS and NYC look very promising. Hoping similar trends will happen in NJ.
I think that he actually does not know what to do. He knows he needs to re-open, either has no idea how or is paralyzed by the need to make a hard decision. I also think that at this point, he is also enjoying drinking his own power.
Cuomo's own numbers show that 22 percent came from nursing homes or assisted living facilities. On top of that, 96% had pre-existing conditions. Clearly the more data you collect, the better. But there is enough information out there that one can begin to come up with some sort of plan.
Chaels Arms
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PAUSE order is expiring.
I will wait for the updated chart to get posted but from what I observed during the press conference NYC is not as far off as everyone seems to believe. The really terrible number, new hospitalizations per 100k residents, took a massive dip since the last chart. Every region needs to be at 2 new hospitalizations or below per 100k residents. When the chart was first published a week ago NYC was over 5.5, today's chart it was somewhere in the mid 3's. Hospital bed requirements are very close to being met also.
If the numbers continue trending in this direction NYC will satisfy the metrics within 2-3 weeks. Cuomo made it very clear that he is passing control to regional governments at this point. De Blasio said at his press conference NYC could begin reopening in June which makes sense given where the metrics are right now.
The real question now (which was actually finally asked by one of the reporters at Cuomo's press conference, good job whoever that was) is how long each phase is supposed to last. Cuomo avoided giving a straight answer so that's still unknown.
I will wait for the updated chart to get posted but from what I observed during the press conference NYC is not as far off as everyone seems to believe. The really terrible number, new hospitalizations per 100k residents, took a massive dip since the last chart. Every region needs to be at 2 new hospitalizations or below per 100k residents. When the chart was first published a week ago NYC was over 5.5, today's chart it was somewhere in the mid 3's. Hospital bed requirements are very close to being met also.
If the numbers continue trending in this direction NYC will satisfy the metrics within 2-3 weeks. Cuomo made it very clear that he is passing control to regional governments at this point. De Blasio said at his press conference NYC could begin reopening in June which makes sense given where the metrics are right now.
The real question now (which was actually finally asked by one of the reporters at Cuomo's press conference, good job whoever that was) is how long each phase is supposed to last. Cuomo avoided giving a straight answer so that's still unknown.
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