Machinehead
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Hold on, I'm not done laughing at that last take.
OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VI (NO RIOT/PROTEST DISCUSSION)
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Barnaby
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Sweden socialist
Sweden doesn’t have a lot of socialist tendencies? I know they’ve moved more towards free market at a big financial gain... who is our socialist utopia?
Machinehead
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No, they don't. And they've literally always had a market. And socialist countries can have markets.
How can you be this wrong in so few words?
Barnaby
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I don’t disagree... have a handful of friends dealing with it daily in the medical field... hard to believe they were never contaminated but who knows
Barnaby
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Less susceptible? I’m no expert, but your 89 year old aunt is probably less likely to get pneumonia than a healthy 20 year old.
Machinehead
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The virus is very infective and it's very hard to avoid contraction once there's contact. As dangerous as it is, there's obviously a way to avoid it.
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Maybe not... but My ex is in a respiratory ward - she does 12 hours tours in masks/gloves... then on break, sits in a lounge with people who do the same. Some have have shown symptoms - others not - all afraid. It hits everyone differently. Maybe the young should get it like chicken pox.
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At 10 cases he also said “No more international travel with China.” ... then was meant by “that’s racist...” ... and Pelosi pushing a bill...
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Machinehead
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charliemurphy
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Some of these threads are hysterical when you have certain posters on ignore.
Once in a while you get these consecutive responses that get funnier and funnier.
Not sure which poster is being referenced to or replied to but I love it.
Synergy27
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I legitimately don’t understand how we live with each other. Modern Americans live in two very different worlds. Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, we just aren’t playing cards at the same table. I can’t imagine a way out of this mess.
@Machinehead
This is not a joke, you cannot run for office without promising higher taxes in Sweden.
The last time the right wing party won the election, they promised to match every proposed tax increase by the social democrats.
Seriously though, disaster often leads to something good, and I think largely that has saved Sweden's bacon. We lost half our country in 1809 after an delusional war started by a King with more or less absolute power. We were very lucky to not lose 2/3 of the country. That was a major trauma. It took a while, but they kicked out the king, brought in a French dude to be a marionette as new king and started to rebuild the country. The aristocrats needed support towards the monarchy and cooperated with the farmers and workers. The French revolution in 1789 seems like its such an extreme long time ago, but it really isn't. It was just 20 years before 1809, and for the first half of the 1800's it felt very fresh for many. Just like WWII did in the up untill the 90s at least since the cold war was connected to it. So when the communist revolutions spilled over in more or less all countries around the globe -- to different degrees, but still -- Swedes where gunshy and when things where at the boiling point, everyone came to their senses instead and reached agreements at the last second. That meant that Sweden missed WWI. When WWII started Sweden (the monarchy) had much stronger ties to Germany and the Nazis, but no army so we wheren't part of that either. And after WWII we could sell iron ore and provide services to countries ruined by WWII and became one of the top 5-10 richest countries in the world.
My point is just, its easy to distribute wealth when you have wealth to distribute. I don't think Sweden should be seen as a utopia or someone that has done things right while others haven't. Of course there is some logic to the notion that free school and healthcare and a security net 'pays for itself', education is an investment, and in that sense of course something that should be thrived towards. But at the same time -- its a costly reform to put in place if you don't have it.
Sweden is also a very rich country on natural resources. A river like every 40th mile or whatever that is perfect for power dams along 1/3 of the coast. A lot of iron ore etc. Sweden just have about 5% of the woods that are well suited for the forrest industry, but used to produce like 40% of the goods from that industry. Russia on the other hand has like 40-50% of the natural resources but just 5% of the gods. The reason for that is simple, you can't utilize your forrests effectively unless you have a ton of small roads and bridges over every effin little river. Sweden could build those roads and bridges cheap after WWII when Russia couldn't.
I think that article linked makes many good points, I don't think Sweden have done a very good job, it at least had very good conditions.
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I think most people live in the same world, they just tend to view that world through very different lenses. Your average chicken farmer in Alabama has a very different life than your average 9-5 worker in Providence, but at the core of it, they both want the same things. They want to be able to pay their bills, provide for themselves and their families, and they want upward mobility. They want their kids to start out a notch above where they left off. The problem is people are being conditioned to think that their neighbor is desperately trying to take too much of the pie, and that's where the decision makers place those wedge issues and drive us all further apart. Meanwhile the pie is shrinking even more drastically, but it's those people at the top who are taking it from us.
As long as we spend most of our energy fighting over what we can and cannot do as individuals, we'll remain largely stagnant as a nation. Until we elect leaders who genuinely believe in public service instead of self service, we're probably going to continue to struggle to come together.
NYSPORTS
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medicine is our only hope out of this health “mess” imo. All the strategies and stats in the world are still relatively subjective as we learn more and more each day.
As far as the other mess, let’s be honest, the loudest ones in the room are always the weakest and if everybody took a test on what was important to them in life, the results would be more accurate than those simply voting for or against a personality.
Surprisingly to me, my wifes antibody test came back negative. She was also negative to her first weekly screening test. So even though shes only working with Covid positive patients for the last month or so, she still hasn't contracted it (unless her body just failed to create the anti-bodies.)
Honestly, kind of annoyed because now we still have it constantly hanging over our head but my takeaway is that using proper protection and cleaning care really works.
I am going to be more and more infuriated when i see people gathering in large crowds or going inside in public places without a mask on.
Honestly, kind of annoyed because now we still have it constantly hanging over our head but my takeaway is that using proper protection and cleaning care really works.
I am going to be more and more infuriated when i see people gathering in large crowds or going inside in public places without a mask on.
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