OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part VI (NO RIOT/PROTEST DISCUSSION)
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Even if you sign a waiver, negligence can still apply. Could come from either or both the customers and/or employees. Proving it is not easy, yet some of these cruise lines are going to face some litigation and I would not be surprised to see more lawsuits filed against other business/industries as this goes on. The best defense would likely be to say you followed all the CDC and State guidelines, and went above and beyond, I assume that will be tough to say if social distancing and mask wearing is/was not mandatory.
And they would be the stupid ones if they didn't living in this super litigious society.
eco's bones
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I'm guessing you've not been paying much attention to the last 4 months. If MSG is in any way linked to coronavirus cases New York State is going to shut MSG down---liability waivers or no liability waivers and best lawyers in the world or not. The day MSG becomes a health risk the doors of the arena will close. I get that this isn't the way it is in Oklahoma but New York isn't Oklahoma and in Oklahoma IMO they don't take Covid-19 at all seriously--well 359 dead as of today in a low population density state. What happens in high population density cities is a lot different. Someone takes the disease back to a low income tower block and just like that in a week or so you could have hundreds of people sick. It's not just about who goes to hockey games, baseball games or concerts--it's also about who they go home to, who they work with, who they associate with, what random strangers then that they don't know who they've bumped into--you know those people who didn't sign any liability waivers who got the disease from one guy who did. What do you say to them? and what do you think tracing is---just a fancy word for something or other? It's to track this shit and where it goes. NYS is not going to allow the Rangers to sell tickets so fans can go to hockey games if people are going to get sick at them and those people are going to make others sick and NYS shouldn't because it would be i-r-r-e-s-p-o-n-s-i-b-l-e. It's really not that hard to figure out. Not sure why you need me to tell you something that should be obvious. I live in this state too you know and I've seen enough of Cuomo's press conferences to tell you he's got the soapbox to tell NYS citizens why + the authority to shut down every sporting and entertainment venue if he decides they are a health or safety risk. If you don't like that you can try to vote him out.
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Tawnos
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What you're talking about is similar to something that happened here in NC this week. Ace Speedway, which is a 5,000 capacity racetrack in Alamance County between Greensboro and Raleigh. They've been holding races with spectators in defiance of state orders... including last weekend where they claimed it was a "peaceful protest" therefore legal. The state ordered them to shut it down and a judge granted a temporary restraining order to uphold it.
eco's bones
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Anyway to return to the liability waiver--it's an acknowledgement by the Trump and the Trump campaign that the virus is real (not fake) and that people who go to the rally are putting themselves at some kind of risk---????-----and that they won't take responsibility for people who get sick or die. What I would call that is not very nice. Consider if there is no rally---no one gets sick or later on dies from a rally that doesn't happen. Those things can only happen if there is a rally. Biden has a basement. Trump has a bunker. Both should stay put.
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You think Cuomo is going to not allow fans in the stands until there is 0 cases of COVID? Phase 4 specifically mentions entertainment opening. That means people in seats. Phase 4 doesn't happen when there is 0 COVID cases. Hell, some places are going to be in Phase 4 as soon as two-three weeks from now, and there are venues in those locations. They will be able to open. Now, they'd have to book someone and people would have to be willing to buy tickets to an event, but I don't think there will be a shortage of that, especially during the summer.
This is something as small as a movie theater. If they open, do you think that the owner of the theater is going to let people come in and potentially spread COVID and not have something that doesn't make them liable to be sued? They didn't bring COVID into their theater. They'd be closed from the contact tracing if multiple people got it and they trace it back to the theater. They'll be told what they need to do to address the issue, probably get inspected to make sure they are up to COVID standards, but owners are going to make it so they cannot be sued because someone walked into their building and they got COVID and it could be traced back to that place in time.
They could be fined by the state, but being sued by an individual that was there and go sick? If anyone is planning on entering a place that has a bunch of people, be prepared to be signing a lot of documentation to remove their liability of you getting COVID. You don't want to sign it, you don't have to go in. It comes down to your own personal choice after a while.
eco's bones
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Until there is some certainty (and just because some things have reopened doesn't mean there's certainty) packing people into arenas would be an unsafe and irresponsible thing to do. If you're asking someone for a liability waiver you're telling them you don't know if it's safe or not. The reason you would need such a waiver is because you don't know. That's fine in a swim at your own risk park with a lake--people f*** up they have themselves to blame--the likelihood is they're not dragging others out to drown with them with them. Someone coming home with the virus from watching the Rangers or Knicks--may have a week, two weeks to pass it along to a lot of somebody else's and someone might actually die for this guy's entertainment. Would that be acceptable to you? Should it make any difference to if you never know? Like someone is innocent simply because they're ignorant of the consequences of their actions? It's not even safe for the players. f Brett Howden catches the virus and spreads it unsuspectedly around the locker room you could easily end up with half the team in quarantine for two weeks, three weeks, a month or more. A story out today that a Bruins player tested positive and was asymptomatic. That's at least 10 NHL players.
The governor of the state of New York would be derelict in his duty to protect the health and welfare of the citizens of New York to allow something to go forward that has the potential to be very harmful to public safety. If he's unsure his job is to fall on the side of not doing it.
Should I just give up hope that 20 somethings won't be selfish and have self control?
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My cousin works across from Madison square park in the flat iron district (Where some of the things that shall not be discussed was happening). Glad he has been working from home but they reported minimal damage in his building. Usually on Fridays, I would shoot down the 6 train to meet up with him after he is done with work, and we usually hit the Barcade at St. Marks Place, they have Turtles in Time, lol. Then make our rounds and meet up with some other friends and whatnot.
Really miss those trips to the city, going out to eat, bar hopping and meeting up with friends and family. If people were not so selfish and actually gave a crap we could get there sooner. I hope the numbers in NY will not go back up, and it’s been about 2 weeks since the you know what started.
Also, now I have concern for my family in Florida. We knew this thing wouldn’t go away fully but thought people would see what NY did by shutting down everything for a long period of time.
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Machinehead
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All I know is, New York is kicking this thing's ass and I believe masks are the key factor.
It's really not a huge ask, it allows you to go out and do things, and honestly, you get used to it. I got a Liverpool mask and I actually can't wait to wear it now.
When I see other cities on the news, I see very few masks and I really think it's something they need to start considering.
It's really not a huge ask, it allows you to go out and do things, and honestly, you get used to it. I got a Liverpool mask and I actually can't wait to wear it now.
When I see other cities on the news, I see very few masks and I really think it's something they need to start considering.
Been sitting outside at restaurants and cafes now, weather has been perfect, mid 70’s. Feels close to normal. You are just asked to wear a face covering when you are going to your table or have to use the restrooms inside. Makes sense. If people don’t want to be inconvenienced for a few mins, just stay home. Why spoil it for others.
Anyway well said. I also got some themed face coverings. Because it’s going to go on for awhile imo.
Machinehead
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Facts, I should get another one.
It might be a year or two, but if we behave ourselves, we get to live like this for a year or two instead of how we did in March. I know which one I want.
No one's going to behave this summer. Ditzy 22-year-olds won't behave.
trueblue9441
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just because venues are allowed to open, doesnt means its business as usual. people will still have to social distance and broadway has already come out and said they are not opening with social distancing as the economics dont work for them with social distancing implemented. i'd imagine most of the entertainment venues will have the same mindset.
eco's bones
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Cuomo after seeing some of what happened at St. Mark's Place and on Long Island has threatened to shut down Manhattan and the Hamptons. People need to use their heads a bit. What any of us does effects other people and as long as the virus is still out there cases can escalate again. We're not back to where we were before this all began. It's kind of like when you're driving your car. It works when people obey the traffic rules--such as stop at stop signs or red lights---stay in your lane. These new rules to socially distance--to wear a mask in public are in somewhat the same way the courtesies that you extend to others when your driving your vehicle so that you don't have accidents.
One of the people was like "I had reservations about it but then I started drinking". These are the kinds of idiots we have to deal with. No self control.
Gardner McKay
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My neighborhood pool had a 9 page COVID-19 waiver. There is nothing even remotely messed up about this. It is going to be standard moving forward.
Every concert, event, etc. will have a COVID-19 waiver.
I think what's messed up is that he's having a rally that is knowingly putting people at risk.
Gardner McKay
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So don't attend? There are a lot of things I would do right now but going near a protest, rally or concert are at the bottom. At some point it becomes survival of the fittest.
That doesn't mean I think they should be cancelled/not allowed to happen. There has to be a point where you let people make the choice for themselves and those that choose to go can suffer the consequences.
This is the same argument as with the recent events we're not allowed to talk about. Are people forgetting that the virus is contagious?
Gardner McKay
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No, I just think it depends on what side of the coin you fall on as to what situations are acceptable to break protocol. Both sides have been hilarious hypocrites when it comes to this.
COVID-19 hasn't changed (well, technically there have been mutations but that isn't what I am referring to). Our willingness as a species to rationalize what is an acceptable risk is what has changed.
As long as people are making that choice for themselves only and not for others.
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