OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part V

[Ola]

I thought the H1N1 vaccine was available in 2009, in 7 months. Not saying that this will follow the same path, but what is the 5-10 years number based on?

I think H1N1 was very similar to previous viruses. I remember how elders weren’t that effected by it. Just googled and found some stuff like this: Old People May Be Immune to Swine Flu
Study explains immunity to H1N1 in older people

A vaccine has historically taken 10-15 years to produce (Hur forskar man fram vacciner? | Vaccinportalen). The season flu usually goes around the globe and mutates along the way and for the new mutation you can usually alter existing vaccines a little bit and produce a new vaccine fast.

Ultimatley, I have understood that creating a vaccine is a very “mechanical” process. They produce the sample vaccine, test it, gets signals of things that must be altered, there is really no blue print on how something shall be fixed, so they often just guess at something, genetically makes that altercation, test it again, and so forth and so forth. Many vaccine projects, that many 100+ millions have been put into, are just scrapped eventually. They could never get it to work.

Remember that there still is no vaccine for HIV for example. They say that HIV changes so fast that they never have been able to nail something that works. Covid19 is supposedly very stable.

The big X factor from my POV in this case is how much the process can be affected by the tremendous ungraspable amount of resources put into finding a vaccine for this virus fast.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I mean everyone realizes that both that drone shot AND that picture could be true and its just taken at different times and different areas? There are plenty of videos and pictures showing the beaches more crowded than the drone video there. So is the drone video also fake news?

Yes, you are correct they could both be true, I don't believe that is the case... at least not at this time. I've seen so many pictures of the beaches being empty, verifiable pictures from pissed off family, friends, co-workers all in different parts of Florida - Jacksonville, Daytona Beach, Cape San Blas, etc.

There is more to gain from the portrayal of the beaches being full than there is of people following directions.

 

[Crease]

Just picked up Bauer Vapor inlines, some Green Biscuits, and a Wraparound. Coronavirus got me back into hockey.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Some restaurants might be able to function after they take half their tables away. It's going to be awkward too when your server comes outfitted in mask, hospital gown and gloves and drops the check off with your food and doesn't come around to check on you after. I can't see gyms until there absolutely is a vaccine. They're in cruise ship territory for now. The disease spreads via droplets--gyms are all about droplets. I also don't see how you can fill arenas or stadiums particularly in New York. MSG at a quarter capacity?--if that and what happens if it runs through a team? A certificate of health that day from a doctor. We really need a vaccine before attending sports events happens again. Same with concerts--maybe you could do something in parks with a strong police presence to make sure people are distancing. Things are going to be f***ed up for a while IMO.

Concerts are too uncontrollable especially more aggressive types of music in small spaces (metal/hardcore/heavy hip hop). A venue like St. Vitus in Greenpoint or Dingbatz in Clifton, New Jersey I just don't see how those places can have even 50% capcity.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

We are ALL fake news.

Earth is fake news.

Vince McMahon books life

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I know dating is very low on the pecking order right now but I'm curious how it's going to be dealt with in very populated areas in the next 3-6 months...actually 6-9 months. It's impossible to go to restaurants, bars, coffee shops in the same capacity even like @eco's bones said at 50% (or less capacity). Even a walk in the park will be challenging. You can only have so many FaceTime/Google Hangouts dates before you have to start spending real time with someone and deciding if you are compatible.

And hypothetically speaking, what if people have long distance things and travel is still restricted with mandatory two week quarantines for people coming from populated areas if no instant testing is ready?

I'm fine sitting on the sidelines indefinitely for the time being because I understand the world situation and it's not about me, plus I'm still sort of "mourning" some recent rejection, but at some point not only me but in general people will need to continue this in society.

Not a complaint just curious for peoples takes.

 

[FOD]

the boys who cried wolf again (smh). And they get insulted when nobody believes their occasional truthful journalism.

I actually saw a live report right after they opened the beaches. They were interviewing people on the beach and it looked very crowded with not much social distancing. And you have to remember that they only opened the beach at 5 pm so that fly over might have been at 7 pm after alot of people left the beach. The beaches are only open from 6-11 in the morning and 5-8 in the evening.

 

[FultonReed]

question for those who had it, or know someone who did/does: what symptom occurred first?

 

[Machinehead]

I know dating is very low on the pecking order right now but I'm curious how it's going to be dealt with in very populated areas in the next 3-6 months...actually 6-9 months. It's impossible to go to restaurants, bars, coffee shops in the same capacity even like @eco's bones said at 50% (or less capacity). Even a walk in the park will be challenging. You can only have so many FaceTime/Google Hangouts dates before you have to start spending real time with someone and deciding if you are compatible.

And hypothetically speaking, what if people have long distance things and travel is still restricted with mandatory two week quarantines for people coming from populated areas if no instant testing is ready?

I'm fine sitting on the sidelines indefinitely for the time being because I understand the world situation and it's not about me, plus I'm still sort of "mourning" some recent rejection, but at some point not only me but in general people will need to continue this in society.

Not a complaint just curious for peoples takes.

I'm sure we'll find a way, logistically.

My concern is that people are going to be neurotic (which I get) and less open to approaches than they usually are.

I abhor online dating. It makes me wanna lie down on a highway. I very much prefer to meet new people live and I'm hoping the ladies are open to that again at some point.

 

[eco's bones]

I know dating is very low on the pecking order right now but I'm curious how it's going to be dealt with in very populated areas in the next 3-6 months...actually 6-9 months. It's impossible to go to restaurants, bars, coffee shops in the same capacity even like @eco's bones said at 50% (or less capacity). Even a walk in the park will be challenging. You can only have so many FaceTime/Google Hangouts dates before you have to start spending real time with someone and deciding if you are compatible.

And hypothetically speaking, what if people have long distance things and travel is still restricted with mandatory two week quarantines for people coming from populated areas if no instant testing is ready?

I'm fine sitting on the sidelines indefinitely for the time being because I understand the world situation and it's not about me, plus I'm still sort of "mourning" some recent rejection, but at some point not only me but in general people will need to continue this in society.

Not a complaint just curious for peoples takes.

Again--massive testing but really a vaccine as soon as possible. The thing even with testing--a person might pass the test and one day later someone passes it to him/her. So really we need testing to be super accessible. But from the point of society moving forward it's all about containment at least until a vaccine comes along. Another positive is doctors have been figuring out different ways to treat it and getting better and better results.

 

[Irishguy42]

but really a vaccine as soon as possible.

I mean....a vaccine really isn't feasible until early next year at the earliest because you CANNOT rush testing and NEED to go through proper procedures.

Until then, yes, medical treatments (anti-virals and whatnot) that are temporary but easily consumable repeatedly (like any other medicine you get OTC or prescription-based) would be ideal until a vaccine is developed and permitted for wide usage.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I'm sure we'll find a way, logistically.

My concern is that people are going to be neurotic (which I get) and less open to approaches than they usually are.

I abhor online dating. It makes me wanna lie down on a highway. I very much prefer to meet new people live and I'm hoping the ladies are open to that again at some point.

I'm by far the opposite, I love online dating. I've had so many dates and relationships come from it.

I met up with one lady on 3/15 (a day before the lockdown really came down), and glad I did. We've been talking since via text/Facetime. Same with another lady I "met" a couple of weeks ago on another app, but that's just been texting up to now.

I'm only slightly worried because I'm a touchy-feely person (hugging, touching hands, holding hands, etc.), and once we sort of go back to normal, might have to reign it in a bit at first at least.

 

[Irishguy42]

I'm sure we'll find a way, logistically.

My concern is that people are going to be neurotic (which I get) and less open to approaches than they usually are.

I abhor online dating. It makes me wanna lie down on a highway. I very much prefer to meet new people live and I'm hoping the ladies are open to that again at some point.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm by far the opposite, I love online dating. I've had so many dates and relationships come from it.

I met up with one lady on 3/15 (a day before the lockdown really came down), and glad I did. We've been talking since via text/Facetime. Same with another lady I "met" a couple of weeks ago on another app, but that's just been texting up to now.

I'm only slightly worried because I'm a touchy-feely person (hugging, touching hands, holding hands, etc.), and once we sort of go back to normal, might have to reign it in a bit at first at least.

Word, that's another thing.

I can picture myself introducing myself to a young lady this summer and offering an elbow bump.

 

[motopanekeku]

I know dating is very low on the pecking order right now but I'm curious how it's going to be dealt with in very populated areas in the next 3-6 months...actually 6-9 months. It's impossible to go to restaurants, bars, coffee shops in the same capacity even like @eco's bones said at 50% (or less capacity). Even a walk in the park will be challenging. You can only have so many FaceTime/Google Hangouts dates before you have to start spending real time with someone and deciding if you are compatible.

And hypothetically speaking, what if people have long distance things and travel is still restricted with mandatory two week quarantines for people coming from populated areas if no instant testing is ready?

I'm fine sitting on the sidelines indefinitely for the time being because I understand the world situation and it's not about me, plus I'm still sort of "mourning" some recent rejection, but at some point not only me but in general people will need to continue this in society.

Not a complaint just curious for peoples takes.

Take care of your health and when it's time to get out there you will be in optimal shape to court a fine specimen. I have been blessed to be able to use this time to recalibrate many aspects of my life. Before things really came into effect I took early precautions to make sure myself and the people around me are equipped to endure whatever this turned out to be. In it's midst I feel super thankful for what I have. Health is not to be taken for granted and we owe it to ourselves not only to survive and endure but to come out of it somehow improved.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Word, that's another thing.

I can picture myself introducing myself to a young lady this summer and offering an elbow bump.

I think with the other lady I had my date with on 3/15, once we meet up again, it won't be an issue. She's also a very touchy-feely person, lol.

The one I just "met" with a couple of weeks ago, that might be a different story. If we ever do go out on a date once this is over, I might let her know how she feels about me touching her in any way.

 

[Machinehead]

I think with the other lady I had my date with on 3/15, once we meet up again, it won't be an issue. She's also a very touchy-feely person, lol.

The one I just "met" with a couple of weeks ago, that might be a different story. If we ever do go out on a date once this is over, I might let her know how she feels about me touching her in any way.

And the f***ed up thing is, exactly when to break these barriers is a f***ing tight rope to begin with!

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

And the f***ed up thing is, exactly when to break these barriers is a f***ing tight rope to begin with!

I think there should be no problem in asking what they'd be comfortable with or how they feel about touching in any way. Given the circumstances and times we're in with COVID-19, no sane person would judge you for asking right now lol.

 

[Machinehead]

I think there should be no problem in asking what they'd be comfortable with or how they feel about touching in any way. Given the circumstances and times we're in with COVID-19, no sane person would judge you for asking right now lol.

You know, that's true. And besides, I'm 28, I'm too old for the games now. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

You know, that's true. And besides, I'm 28, I'm too old for the games now. Thanks for the tip.

Oh, I'm 29, and I gave up the games a long time ago lol. I also think women in their mid to late 20's (more so late 20's), are usually more mature and don't waste their time with games either.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Take care of your health and when it's time to get out there you will be in optimal shape to court a fine specimen. I have been blessed to be able to use this time to recalibrate many aspects of my life. Before things really came into effect I took early precautions to make sure myself and the people around me are equipped to endure whatever this turned out to be. In it's midst I feel super thankful for what I have. Health is not to be taken for granted and we owe it to ourselves not only to survive and endure but to come out of it somehow improved.

That's what I've been doing. I'm very fortunate to have a track close to where I live to do late night runs when not many people if any are around, and some free weights.

Biggest thing for me is the focus and mental health aspect. Don't worry about the temporary loneliness and just stay focused.

 

[Machinehead]

I've lost some weight now that I can't go out and get junk food at the drop of a hat.

Now I need to focus on bulking that shit back up.

I was f***in ripped back in like 2012, 2013. Once I started my career I got away from it and I'm hoping to get back on the horse.

 

[motopanekeku]

I've lost some weight now that I can't go out and get junk food at the drop of a hat.

Now I need to focus on bulking that shit back up.

I was f***in ripped back in like 2012, 2013. Once I started my career I got away from it and I'm hoping to get back on the horse.

Straight up lost 8 lbs because I can't get Chinese food. Now I make a mean General Tzo chicken.

 

[jniklast]

I think H1N1 was very similar to previous viruses. I remember how elders weren’t that effected by it. Just googled and found some stuff like this: Old People May Be Immune to Swine Flu
Study explains immunity to H1N1 in older people

A vaccine has historically taken 10-15 years to produce (Hur forskar man fram vacciner? | Vaccinportalen). The season flu usually goes around the globe and mutates along the way and for the new mutation you can usually alter existing vaccines a little bit and produce a new vaccine fast.

Ultimatley, I have understood that creating a vaccine is a very “mechanical” process. They produce the sample vaccine, test it, gets signals of things that must be altered, there is really no blue print on how something shall be fixed, so they often just guess at something, genetically makes that altercation, test it again, and so forth and so forth. Many vaccine projects, that many 100+ millions have been put into, are just scrapped eventually. They could never get it to work.

Remember that there still is no vaccine for HIV for example. They say that HIV changes so fast that they never have been able to nail something that works. Covid19 is supposedly very stable.

The big X factor from my POV in this case is how much the process can be affected by the tremendous ungraspable amount of resources put into finding a vaccine for this virus fast.

There's a couple of differences between vaccine development in the past and now for Covid-19

First of all in the past there were usually at most a handful projects dedicated to development of a vaccine for one disease, while now there are already more than 70 projects working on it. This obviously leads to a much higher chance, that some of the candidates are working, which would lead to a much earlier availability.

Secondly there is new technology available, most notably the so called mRNA vaccines. Instead of injecting some kind of an inactivated or modified virus, this injects "a blueprint" of such inactivated virus for the human cells to produce and then react and develop antibodies. Developing these mRNA vaccines can happen much quicker than the traditional ones - indeed there are already multiple of these vaccines in some pre-clinical studies and already tested on humans, which is much much faster than ever before. However there's a pretty big catch: no mRNA vaccines has been approved before (but it is a new technology after all).

Also the comparison with HIV is moot, as these viruses are very different. The most important difference is that humans do not develop effective antibodies against HIV (it evades the immune system by quick mutation), which is the usual way of a vaccine to develop an immunity.

 

[eco's bones]

I mean....a vaccine really isn't feasible until early next year at the earliest because you CANNOT rush testing and NEED to go through proper procedures.

Until then, yes, medical treatments (anti-virals and whatnot) that are temporary but easily consumable repeatedly (like any other medicine you get OTC or prescription-based) would be ideal until a vaccine is developed and permitted for wide usage.

FWIW in the early 50's polio had been a thing. And the guy credited with coming up with the vaccine was Jonas Salk and he became super famous because of it. The scientist who gets his/her name attached to the vaccine will be a household name like on the level of a POTUS or Bill Gates, Michael Jordan or the Queen of England--that kind of level. If the Post Office is still around that person will get themselves a stamp though that almost always happens posthumously.

Going to grade school in the 60's I'm pretty sure I got a shot the first time and after that at the beginning of every year until maybe in my 5th/6th grade year they stopped it. Anyway until then your class would go down to the nurse's office the first week of every school year and everyone would get a sugar cube with the vaccine. Polio was particularly worrisome for children---but it didn't take much to organize the distribution of the vaccine.