OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19): Part V

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This really should reinforce the point that we’re still very much in the beginning phases of this crisis. It feels like we’re nearing the end, but we’re not. This has the potential to get very scary, not that it’s not already, if re-opening isn’t conducted smartly and the supply chains really do collapse. They are merely sagging now, and that’s been a major adjustment for everyone. Full collapse is another thing entirely.
 
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Have anyone heard any specific about the topic described below, being discussed?

A while back I heard one older expert talk about how ‘all humans are almost never all susceptible to one virus like this, it’s never 100%, maybe 90% but that is high, often 70%’.

Lately I’ve heard many anecdotal stories that kind of reaffirms that. Like those military ships when 900 of 1200 got it. Like the remaining 300 must have been exposed to it to a tremendously high degree — why didn’t they get it? Some doctors are losing it on Twitter, ‘how it is possible I am not immune or sick, I’ve been exposed every day for 6 weeks?’ And so forth.

But I’ve seen very little talk about it. If it was a factor I recon it should be included in different models that is all. But maybe it’s “built in” the R-value...
 
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Have anyone heard any specific about the topic described below, being discussed?

A while back I heard one older expert talk about how ‘all humans are almost never all susceptible to one virus like this, it’s never 100%, maybe 90% but that is high, often 70%’.

Lately I’ve heard many anecdotal stories that kind of reaffirms that. Like those military ships when 900 of 1200 got it. Like the remaining 300 must have been exposed to it to a tremendously high degree — why didn’t they get it? Some doctors are losing it on Twitter, ‘how it is possible I am not immune or sick, I’ve been exposed every day for 6 weeks?’ And so forth.

But I’ve seen very little talk about it. If it was a factor I recon it should be included in different models that is all. But maybe it’s “built in” the R-value...

I read somewhere that there are some signs that people who have antibodies against the other coronaviruses are less susceptible to catching Covid-19 or at least having a much faster immune response.
 
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I read somewhere that there are some signs that people who have antibodies against the other coronaviruses are less susceptible to catching Covid-19 or at least having a much faster immune response.

Thanks!

I actually heard something just last night on BBC Coronavirus Global Update Pod on how they are checking people’s genetics since symptoms have varied so much form Asia to Europe. One result they have seen already is that identical twins infected all show very similar symptoms.
 
I'll start out by saying I'm not a fan of Barack Obama at all. I did have hope for him and voted for him in 2008. Not in 2012 though so......here we have Donald Trump saying that Barack Obama left him broken tests for Covid-19. Donald---Obama left office in 2016 and he left office leaving you a pandemic response team which you shitcanned in 2018 at the urging of then National Security Advisor John Bolton (the guy who later couldn't make up his mind whether to turn on you in the impeachment hearings--actually he wanted to turn it into a buck for himself by flogging a book). Here's the other thing--there's a significance to the 19 that comes after the Covid. When people talk about Covid-19--the 19 stands for the year when the disease began---as in 2019 or three + years after Obama left town. We can blame Obama for a lot of things but we really can't blame him for shitcanning the pandemic response team Donald--you did that and we can't really blame him for leaving you broken tests for a disease that wouldn't even exist for another 3 and a half years.

Life isn't always fair. That's the truth. If you have an urge and the means to become President of the United States you should keep in mind that not everyone is going to love you......and this isn't just the other party sometimes it's even people on your own side. You are going to take criticism from all kinds of angles. This comes with the program. You do dumb shit and you're going to hear about it. You benefit your friends and wealthy donors you're going to hear about it. Even when you do good stuff that benefits the public at large you're going to take heat for it. You're a dumbass if you don't realize these truths before you even begin because they're going to follow you around as long as you're in the office and the more ineffective you are the more they'll follow you around afterwards---these truths come with the territory of being commander in chief of a democracy. When a disaster comes along like 9-11 or the 2008 economic crash or like this pandemic if you happen to be the POTUS it becomes your responsibility to navigate your way through the disaster---it's not the guy before you. It's yours and you either rise to the occasion or you don't and looking for excuses or looking to blame others is not rising to the occasion.
 
It’s yours and you either rise to the occasion or you don't and looking for excuses or looking to blame others is not rising to the occasion.
This man does not, has not, and never will view life this way. He will very happily take all of the credit for success, but has repeatedly demonstrated a laughably transparent unwillingness to accept responsibility for anything that goes wrong.

The economy. All me! No one else in the world could have done this. Until now when the shit hits the fan. “I don’t take responsibility at all”.

This isn’t a political statement. This is an astonished, head shaking critique of an utter lack of leadership. If this guy was the CEO of a company, and we were all the shareholders, and he was saying things like this in an earnings meeting, he’d have been thrown out onto the street a long time ago. A leader’s only job is to create a vision, and to then support and backstop his people as they try to make that vision happen. I can only imagine what would happen to a military general if he refused to accept responsibility for a lost battle, blaming it on the structures and tools left behind by his predecessor years ago.

The president that will run this country like a business. The president that “tells it like it is”. Yep. That’s what he is.
 
This man does not, has not, and never will view life this way. He will very happily take all of the credit for success, but has repeatedly demonstrated a laughably transparent unwillingness to accept responsibility for anything that goes wrong.

The economy. All me! No one else in the world could have done this. Until now when the shit hits the fan. “I don’t take responsibility at all”.

This isn’t a political statement. This is an astonished, head shaking critique of an utter lack of leadership. If this guy was the CEO of a company, and we were all the shareholders, and he was saying things like this in an earnings meeting, he’d have been thrown out onto the street a long time ago. A leader’s only job is to create a vision, and to then support and backstop his people as they try to make that vision happen. I can only imagine what would happen to a military general if he refused to accept responsibility for a lost battle, blaming it on the structures and tools left behind by his predecessor years ago.

The president that will run this country like a business. The president that “tells it like it is”. Yep. That’s what he is.

We were going to get hit by this pandemic for sure. Every country has been so there are no exemptions from that not happening. We are at least among the worst for not being prepared and not handling it well. We have well over a million known cases right now and the most deaths. No other country approaches those numbers. That's with very spotty testing. The great great majority of people have not been tested and won't be anytime soon. Did Donald Trump want this to happen? Of course not--but it did and he is in charge. One of his greatest sins in this is fighting political wars with governors instead of coordinating with them--he's turned this into a political football. We would be farther ahead though by working together and we'd be better off by listening and taking the advice of people with real expertise. It's not just his not taking responsibility and wanting to turn this into a political blame game--it's as well this sense of confusion and mixed messaging that comes out of the White House day after day--a determination as well to fly in the the face of facts. Like I'm going to have political rallies and pack stadiums in the next week or two like it or lump it......and we're all going to have to be back to work by June like it or lump it. This pandemic will feed on things like that happening. It's not going to be wished away. That's why he needs to do whatever he can to coordinate with each and every state but particularly those whose situations are most dire if we're going to get on top of this. Can he do that? I think he could but I don't think he will. He's too locked into these games he's been playing for so long and beyond that he's not very smart.
 
So looks like NY schools are done for this school calendar year. Watching Cuomo presser now.
 
I'll start out by saying I'm not a fan of Barack Obama at all. I did have hope for him and voted for him in 2008. Not in 2012 though so......here we have Donald Trump saying that Barack Obama left him broken tests for Covid-19. Donald---Obama left office in 2016 and he left office leaving you a pandemic response team which you shitcanned in 2018 at the urging of then National Security Advisor John Bolton (the guy who later couldn't make up his mind whether to turn on you in the impeachment hearings--actually he wanted to turn it into a buck for himself by flogging a book). Here's the other thing--there's a significance to the 19 that comes after the Covid. When people talk about Covid-19--the 19 stands for the year when the disease began---as in 2019 or three + years after Obama left town. We can blame Obama for a lot of things but we really can't blame him for shitcanning the pandemic response team Donald--you did that and we can't really blame him for leaving you broken tests for a disease that wouldn't even exist for another 3 and a half years.

Life isn't always fair. That's the truth. If you have an urge and the means to become President of the United States you should keep in mind that not everyone is going to love you......and this isn't just the other party sometimes it's even people on your own side. You are going to take criticism from all kinds of angles. This comes with the program. You do dumb shit and you're going to hear about it. You benefit your friends and wealthy donors you're going to hear about it. Even when you do good stuff that benefits the public at large you're going to take heat for it. You're a dumbass if you don't realize these truths before you even begin because they're going to follow you around as long as you're in the office and the more ineffective you are the more they'll follow you around afterwards---these truths come with the territory of being commander in chief of a democracy. When a disaster comes along like 9-11 or the 2008 economic crash or like this pandemic if you happen to be the POTUS it becomes your responsibility to navigate your way through the disaster---it's not the guy before you. It's yours and you either rise to the occasion or you don't and looking for excuses or looking to blame others is not rising to the occasion.

THIS!!...Preach my brother!!
 
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I'll start out by saying I'm not a fan of Barack Obama at all. I did have hope for him and voted for him in 2008. Not in 2012 though so......here we have Donald Trump saying that Barack Obama left him broken tests for Covid-19. Donald---Obama left office in 2016 and he left office leaving you a pandemic response team which you shitcanned in 2018 at the urging of then National Security Advisor John Bolton (the guy who later couldn't make up his mind whether to turn on you in the impeachment hearings--actually he wanted to turn it into a buck for himself by flogging a book). Here's the other thing--there's a significance to the 19 that comes after the Covid. When people talk about Covid-19--the 19 stands for the year when the disease began---as in 2019 or three + years after Obama left town. We can blame Obama for a lot of things but we really can't blame him for shitcanning the pandemic response team Donald--you did that and we can't really blame him for leaving you broken tests for a disease that wouldn't even exist for another 3 and a half years.

Life isn't always fair. That's the truth. If you have an urge and the means to become President of the United States you should keep in mind that not everyone is going to love you......and this isn't just the other party sometimes it's even people on your own side. You are going to take criticism from all kinds of angles. This comes with the program. You do dumb shit and you're going to hear about it. You benefit your friends and wealthy donors you're going to hear about it. Even when you do good stuff that benefits the public at large you're going to take heat for it. You're a dumbass if you don't realize these truths before you even begin because they're going to follow you around as long as you're in the office and the more ineffective you are the more they'll follow you around afterwards---these truths come with the territory of being commander in chief of a democracy. When a disaster comes along like 9-11 or the 2008 economic crash or like this pandemic if you happen to be the POTUS it becomes your responsibility to navigate your way through the disaster---it's not the guy before you. It's yours and you either rise to the occasion or you don't and looking for excuses or looking to blame others is not rising to the occasion.
Not an Obama fan either (at all -- I think this country has one party and it ain't mine) but blaming this on him is a new level of ridiculous for this administration because the timeline doesn't add up. It didn't exist when he was in office.
 
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So I've been thinking.

It's pretty much agreed upon that any data is 2-3 weeks behind simply because of natural viral behavior.

With that in mind, I'm gonna hit you with some anecdotal evidence. I'm more of a data guy and I'm open to being wrong, but here goes.

We saw the blazing inferno of out of control outbreak in late March going into early April, The evidence tells us those contractions were happening in late February and early March.

Late February and early March, I was riding the subway almost every day, right up through March 9th which was my last day at work. That day, March 9th, I was out from 10-8 and rode the subway three different times. Liverpool had a match March 5th. I stood shoulder to shoulder in a pub watching that match and took the 7 train though Flushing, Corona, and Elmhurst there and back. During that train ride, I shook hands with a homeless person. The details of that story, I will leave alone so I don't detail myself, but I'm serious. It's amazing what we did when things were normal. I know for a fact that now several of my students have had it and been symptomatic.

I was exposed to this. There's no other possibility in my mind. Which leaves three outcomes:

1) I'm Superman. I get exposed to illnesses and don't contract them.

2) I was completely asymptomatic.

3) I never contracted it.

I don't think I'm Superman, so let's consider these last two. If I was asymptomatic, then so was everyone in my house. If I got it, they got it. We're in constant close contact and the time I would have had it and would have been spreading it was before we were paying particular attention to it, which I think is the case for most. Possible? Yes. This would lead me to believe that an asymptomatic state is even more common than we think, in which case, we need a ballpark number and we need to figure out what the immunity implications are.

As far as not contracting it, that's also possible. This is the way I'm leaning, because I know my body, but again, anecdotal evidence. Take it with a grain of salt. The only thing I do particularly special is I wash my hands until they break out, I don't leave the house without two bottles of hand sanitizer (which I deployed immediately after meeting my friend on the train), and I haven't touched a doorknob since about 2003. This would tell me, and I think this is true, that there are ways to live your life safely and not get it. I'm not downplaying the threat, but this isn't jumping off the walls. It isn't flying through the air defying gravity, and it isn't growing legs and chasing you.

My point with all this is that I'm convinced there's a way forward in terms of managing this that isn't quarantine. We gotta put our heads together, listen to the experts, and figure out what's relatively safe.

Then we can respond to that economically. If my third outcome is true, we should be making sanitizer and disinfectant until we have enough to fill MSG and then we make more. That's production. Those are new jobs.
 
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So I've been thinking.

It's pretty much agreed upon that any data is 2-3 weeks behind simply because of natural viral behavior.

With that in mind, I'm gonna hit you with some anecdotal evidence. I'm more of a data guy and I'm open to being wrong, but here goes.

We saw the blazing inferno of out of control outbreak in late March going into early April, The evidence tells us those contractions were happening in late February and early March.

Late February and early March, I was riding the subway almost every day, right up through March 9th which was my last day at work. That day, March 9th, I was out from 10-8 and rode the subway three different times. Liverpool had a match March 5th. I stood shoulder to shoulder in a pub watching that match and took the 7 train though Flushing, Corona, and Elmhurst there and back. During that train ride, I shook hands with a homeless person. The details of that story, I will leave alone so I don't detail myself, but I'm serious. It's amazing what we did when things were normal. I know for a fact that now several of my students have had it and been symptomatic.

I was exposed to this. There's no other possibility in my mind. Which leaves three outcomes:

1) I'm Superman. I get exposed to illnesses and don't contract them.

2) I was completely asymptomatic.

3) I never contracted it.

I don't think I'm Superman, so let's consider these last two. If I was asymptomatic, then so was everyone in my house. If I got it, they got it. We're in constant close contact and the time I would have had it and would have been spreading it was before we were paying particular attention to it, which I think is the case for most. Possible? Yes. This would lead me to believe that an asymptomatic state is even more common than we think, in which case, we need a ballpark number and we need to figure out what the immunity implications are.

As far as not contracting it, that's also possible. This is the way I'm leaning, because I know my body, but again, anecdotal evidence. Take it with a grain of salt. The only thing I do particularly special is I wash my hands until they break out, I don't leave the house without two bottles of hand sanitizer (which I deployed immediately after meeting my friend on the train), and I haven't touched a doorknob since about 2003. This would tell me, and I think this is true, that there are ways to live your life safely and not get it. I'm not downplaying the threat, but this isn't jumping off the walls. It isn't flying through the air defying gravity, and it isn't growing legs and chasing you.

My point with all this is that I'm convinced there's a way forward in terms of managing this that isn't quarantine. We gotta put our heads together, listen to the experts, and figure out what's relatively safe.

Then we can respond to that economically. If my third outcome is true, we should be making sanitizer and disinfectant until we have enough to fill MSG and then we make more. That's production. Those are new jobs.

I think you really hit the nail on the head as far as being able to be out there in public and not contract it. You are absolutely correct you can be around it and not catch it. Whether or not its more contagious than the flu or not, it's still an airborne respiratory illness and you would catch this the same way you would catch any other one like it. Don't touch your face if you're touching things in public, wash your hands when you get home and use sanitizer. The subway is a unique place and vector to catch it and you'd better believe the vast majority of those people did not take the necessary precautions to protect themselves from catching it. I've worked in the city and rode the subways for many years through flu seasons, and I never once caught the flu. I don't think you have to be superman to not catch this, you just have to be smart. Of course a random person can sneeze or cough in your face in public and you can't really do anything about that, but honestly how often does that happen? I think you'll find if you take the same precautions you would take during any normal flu season, you'd be surprised how effective it would be to not catch this.
 
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seems like the cat is still employed and enjoying a paycheck while the dog is all out of sorts wondering how he/she is gonna make ends meet
It's been explained ad nauseam why recklessness isn't getting people money any faster.
 
It's been explained ad nauseam why recklessness isn't getting people money any faster.

Who said anything about recklessness? What it’s not allowed to bring up all the people out there who can’t put food on the table to pay their bills because of what’s happened? Hundreds of thousands just in NJ alone.
 
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Who said anything about recklessness? What it’s not allowed to bring up all the people out there who can’t put food on the table to pay their bills because of what’s happened? Hundreds of thousands just in NJ alone.
That's why we're reopening.
 
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