OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

[GoAwayGiannone]

Some people are concerned about the elderly. Others putting off surgery which could prolong their lives, or the lives of their family members. Some concerned about food, not just for themselves but for those less able to provide for themselves. Heath care workers, first responders are battling for the greater good. Others are more concerned about the economy or about gyms, restaurants and such. Myself, personally, I'm not sure how humanity became this way.

Pages of people worried about when their favorite restaurant will open when you have people whos mothers and fathers are dying horrible painful deaths. Some truly are privileged and dont realize it.

 

[eco's bones]

Some people are concerned about the elderly. Others putting off surgery which could prolong their lives, or the lives of their family members. Some concerned about food, not just for themselves but for those less able to provide for themselves. Heath care workers, first responders are battling for the greater good. Others are more concerned about the economy or about gyms, restaurants and such. Myself, personally, I'm not sure how humanity became this way.

You have to be concerned about everybody. This idea that the elderly are going to die soon is pretty damn cynical and not what I'd expect out of a political leader. I don't want to see them putting a $ value on anyone's life. The elderly have rights too.

Putting off elective surgery at the moment is a very good idea. As far as first responders but especially nurses and doctors these people need a prolonged break from the last month of endless days and nights of suffering and death. The stress involved must have gone through the roof about three weeks ago. I could see a great many of these people with PTSD symptoms and there's plenty of them who have caught the virus themselves. Any surgery that can be put off should be put off.

As far as food--my wife and I have lost part of our retirement but we're okay and we're going to be giving a good portion of our stimulus to the food bank. It's what it is--we're not really hurting financially.

I'm not that interested in the economy right now. What I'm interested in is doing it right the first time and doing everything we can to make sure there isn't a second time. So getting ahead and staying ahead of the virus should be the priority. I also think a grace period might be in order. Give those health care workers a month or two of relative peace and quiet and put them in a better place. So I wouldn't be rushing back into anything. When the time comes--slow and measured. And gyms don't seem like a great idea to me right now nor crowded restaurants--nor crowded anything. Massive testing is going to be a key. We don't seem to have that capability right now---that is something the Federal govt. could do much better a State govt. IMO. The Defense Production Act could be used to good effect here. Just saying.

 

[Barnaby]

Hey, me again from the Blues board. How you guys holding up? I just wanted to let you know that others are thinking about you. Stay strong. NY strong! God Bless! You're never alone.

Thanks buddy... well said

 

[Synergy27]

So, the President is apparently going to have his name printed on stimulus checks going out to recipients without direct deposit. Hey, here’s some money for you, just want to make sure you know it’s from ME (even though it’s not). I’m sure that move will buy a few more votes come November if there’s actually an election.

 

[Fireonk]

Pages of people worried about when their favorite restaurant will open when you have people whos mothers and fathers are dying horrible painful deaths. Some truly are privileged and dont realize it.

We obviously share some similar views in areas, but I don't think its unfair to discuss what a re-opening would look like and what a basic timeline could look like. I don't think any one is actually saying lets just open it all up today and let it ride.

 

[Fireonk]

Trump misfires not withstanding, I agree with Trump on this one. WHO is in China's pocket.

I watched a skype interview on VICE channel I believe between a higher up of WHO and a reporter/journalist who asked the guy about Taiwan and what he thought about their success in dealing with the virus. The guy was visibly shaken and immediately tried to change the subject and chirped about how China did a good job dealing with the virus(a total diversion). She asked again and the guy refused to answer and thanked her and ended the interview. You could not walk away from that and not shrug and say the WHO is China's bitch.

So I actually don't mind the general idea of holding funding to the WHO either while we investigate where things went wrong. But, I don't see why this also doesn't fall into the "past is the past, lets move on" argument that some seem so concerned with (not saying you.) Hold some people accountable but not others, hmmm.....

 

[NYSPORTS]

So, the President is apparently going to have his name printed on stimulus checks going out to recipients without direct deposit. Hey, here’s some money for you, just want to make sure you know it’s from ME (even though it’s not). I’m sure that move will buy a few more votes come November if there’s actually an election.

oh no!!!! Think those people should burn those checks? Imagine if they cashed the checks and withdrew some green money which has Presidents faces printed!!!!!

A few media outlets must have accidentally, failed to mention, the ideas on handling this virus from the other candidate have either been implemented or proven not to work.

Thank you Mr President

 

[Crease]

It seems that a middle ground would be to open up partially in such a way that keeps hospitalizations in a state/region within medical capacity for that area. Naturally this will be complicated to figure out and likely would require adjustment along the way.

As far as who gets to make that call, there should be coordination and agreement among the federal government and the states. The debate about whether this falls under the President's emergency powers, Congress's interstate commerce powers, or the states' police powers is interesting, but the last thing we need right now is a battle in the courts over who gets to flip the switch. They are all adults and capable of agreeing on a plan.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

oh no!!!! Think those people should burn those checks? Imagine if they cashed the checks and withdrew some green money which has Presidents faces printed!!!!!

A few media outlets must have accidentally (lol yeah right), failed to mention, the ideas on handling this virus from the other candidate have either been implemented or proven not to work.

Thank you Mr President

Come on man, I think you know what he means. It's not coming from his bank account, there's no need for his name on the check. His name on the check is the same as the street signs that litter the roads election time. Most people know better but a few will see it and remember the name.

Personally I think its great they're sending out the money. Between that and the $600 unemployment bonus it's 2 things I never thought the government would do for us. I'm grateful for the money, don't poster your name across it to remind me of Election Day.

Edit: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you and I've been very hesitant to post in here with how crazy this thread gets. But your response is exactly what triggers the bickering.

 

[eco's bones]

Would not be surprised if there are more than one of those stimulus checks. We're pretty much in uncharted territory as it is and when you're in uncharted territory there's really no telling where it's going to end up and who knows if one day Joe Biden's signature will be on a stimulus check. I read a piece today where some researchers at Harvard U. were saying concerts and sporting events may not be safe to attend until the fall of 2021 and that we might be still practicing social distancing into 2022. More or less the length of time needed to develop herd immunity and/or get around to coming up with a vaccine and distribution of such.

Now I know there are some people chomping at the bit willing to die for or sacrifice others to restart the economy. They've been looking for the numbers to go down and that's signal enough that this is under enough control. But it won't be under control if it overwhelms or even threatens to overwhelm your hospital system. And personally if I were a nurse or a doctor who has been through hell for the last couple months--watching hundreds and hundreds of people dying including some of my own work comrades and I were watching this thing spiking upward again because of the impatience to wait this out long enough--I would be 'f*** you, I'm out of here'. People do not have the right to risk others lives over their personal economic prospects.

 

[Fireonk]

By the way, public service announcement for those with direct deposit. I received my stimulus deposit this morning, so everyone should be looking at their bank accounts if they are waiting for it if they haven't already.

 

[Synergy27]

Come on man, I think you know what he means. It's not coming from his bank account, there's no need for his name on the check. His name on the check is the same as the street signs that litter the roads election time. Most people know better but a few will see it and remember the name.

Personally I think its great they're sending out the money. Between that and the $600 unemployment bonus it's 2 things I never thought the government would do for us. I'm grateful for the money, don't poster your name across it to remind me of Election Day.

Edit: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you and I've been very hesitant to post in here with how crazy this thread gets. But your response is exactly what triggers the bickering.

His response is nothing but bait hoping to do exactly that, trigger me. I’m not the getting triggered type though, so he’ll have failed in that attempt.

I will still continue to criticize the overtly political, narcissistic, and damaging actions the president continues to take instead of just buttoning down and trying to lead us out of this mess.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Come on man, I think you know what he means. It's not coming from his bank account, there's no need for his name on the check. His name on the check is the same as the street signs that litter the roads election time. Most people know better but a few will see it and remember the name.

Personally I think its great they're sending out the money. Between that and the $600 unemployment bonus it's 2 things I never thought the government would do for us. I'm grateful for the money, don't poster your name across it to remind me of Election Day.

Edit: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you and I've been very hesitant to post in here with how crazy this thread gets. But your response is exactly what triggers the bickering.

Fact is, the money is being sent out. I too was hesitant to post with how crazy the thread gets get but let’s be honest, where are the responses to the science and virus? Ignored, of course, And while same folks look for any crumb to support their narrative the other side sits relatively quiet like prior to election night seething. One jab back, all hell breaks loose but let’s remind the deaf that the plan of strategies from only remaining candidate from the side were all implemented or were not proven not to work.

 

[eco's bones]

It seems that a middle ground would be to open up partially in such a way that keeps hospitalizations in a state/region within medical capacity for that area. Naturally this will be complicated to figure out and likely would require adjustment along the way.

As far as who gets to make that call, there should be coordination and agreement among the federal government and the states. The debate about whether this falls under the President's emergency powers, Congress's interstate commerce powers, or the states' police powers is interesting, but the last thing we need right now is a battle in the courts over who gets to flip the switch. They are all adults and capable of agreeing on a plan.

The Federal govt. did not shut anything down. The Governor's of any particular state did and there are a few who still haven't or haven't altogether. It's absolutely the right of a Governor to shut down and to continue to keep shut down schools systems and economies if they pose a health risk. So Trump is in the wrong and I don't think the courts will back him at all and even if they did I still think there would be Governors who would defy a court order if they feel strongly enough that it's still not safe enough.

Trump here is like 'I can wave a wand and all the bad stuff will go away'. Facts on the ground don't disappear just because you want them to. The most helpful thing that Trump and the federal govt. could do right now is to use the Defense Production Act to ramp up production and distribution of tests and testing materials. A good 95% + of the population has not been tested and a good many of those may be asymptomatic disease spreaders. What we've learned is it doesn't take much to start an outbreak in an area. We need to be on top of the situation before we begin to even think about normalizing.

The other point is about 'responsibility'. Trump took no responsibility for federal inaction in March. States started closing down about the same time. The Governor's took the responsibility then. Now
Trump wants to hurry along the restart of the economy. A question I have is if he does that is he going to take responsibility for a second wave of coronavirus cases spiking up again which IMO will happen? I'm thinking he would once again try to deflect blame somewhere else but that a second wave from prematurely restarting the economy IMO will be all on him and no one else. It will be his mistake.

 

[Synergy27]

Would not be surprised if there are more than one of those stimulus checks. We're pretty much in uncharted territory as it is and when you're in uncharted territory there's really no telling where it's going to end up and who knows if one day Joe Biden's signature will be on a stimulus check.

If this happens, our transition to dictatorial banana republic will be complete.

The reason why it’s a problem that the president’s signature is on these checks is because he’s taking credit for something that he didn’t do, and implying that this is a gesture of his generosity and benevolence. That’s not what this is. The money we are getting back is OUR money, not his. He doesn’t control our money, no single person does. He’s trying to change that perception.

 

[NYSPORTS]

By the way, public service announcement for those with direct deposit. I received my stimulus deposit this morning, so everyone should be looking at their bank accounts if they are waiting for it if they haven't already.

thank this Administration for making sure the direct deposits went out.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Would not be surprised if there are more than one of those stimulus checks. We're pretty much in uncharted territory as it is and when you're in uncharted territory there's really no telling where it's going to end up and who knows if one day Joe Biden's signature will be on a stimulus check. I read a piece today where some researchers at Harvard U. were saying concerts and sporting events may not be safe to attend until the fall of 2021 and that we might be still practicing social distancing into 2022. More or less the length of time needed to develop herd immunity and/or get around to coming up with a vaccine and distribution of such.

Now I know there are some people chomping at the bit willing to die for or sacrifice others to restart the economy. They've been looking for the numbers to go down and that's signal enough that this is under enough control. But it won't be under control if it overwhelms or even threatens to overwhelm your hospital system. And personally if I were a nurse or a doctor who has been through hell for the last couple months--watching hundreds and hundreds of people dying including some of my own work comrades and I were watching this thing spiking upward again because of the impatience to wait this out long enough--I would be 'f*** you, I'm out of here'. People do not have the right to risk others lives over their personal economic prospects.

While I agree with you @eco's bones I just don't think it is that simple. I don't think the restaurant/small business owner is wanting to risk others lives for their own personal gain. I think they are seeing their entire livelihood slipping away... everything they have worked so hard to build. I don't think the person who is watching his employer rapidly move into bankruptcy status and is wondering how they will provide for their family is wrong for the economy to restart.

My cousin works in oil. 80% of their techs are being laid off today. Middle class families.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Fact is, the money is being sent out. I too was hesitant to post with how crazy the thread gets get but let’s be honest, where are the responses to the science and virus? Ignored, of course, And while same folks look for any crumb to support their narrative the other side sits relatively quiet like prior to election night seething. One jab back, all hell breaks loose but let’s remind the deaf that the plan of strategies from only remaining candidate from the side were all implemented or were not proven not to work.

That's fine I understand that. All I'm saying is when you respond the way you did, of course you're gonna see the other side respond and fight back. I've seen you post saying lets talk about the virus and then you respond with a post implying people burning their checks because Trump's name is on it. That's feeding right into what we're not supposed to be doing in this thread. I'm not a mod, maybe I shouldn't have said anything.

If it was Biden or Obama, Bush, Clinton, whoever on the check it would be the same argument. Now's not the time to put an election sign on a check.

 

[UnSandvich]

thank this Administration for making sure the direct deposits went out.

That's a good point. We should be thanking the administration for actually doing their jobs this time, rather than refusing calls from governors who hurt their fragile egos, or outbidding states for medical supplies, or ignoring multiple briefings on this then saying you're the first one who saw this pandemic coming

 

[Synergy27]

Fact is, the money is being sent out. I too was hesitant to post with how crazy the thread gets get but let’s be honest, where are the responses to the science and virus? Ignored, of course, And while same folks look for any crumb to support their narrative the other side sits relatively quiet like prior to election night seething. One jab back, all hell breaks loose but let’s remind the deaf that the plan of strategies from only remaining candidate from the side were all implemented or were not proven not to work.

This is all part of the response. It’s all related. These stimulus checks are a crucial component to the ultimate success of the virus response strategies. Discussing them is 100% relevant.

All of that said, I am definitely not in search of “crumbs”. I am in search of things that may look like “crumbs” on a superficial level, but have a much more profound impact in reality.

The government sends checks out all the time. The president’s name is not on those checks for many reasons. First, it’s not his money. The signature implies that it is. I am deeply uncomfortable with ceding power over federal funds to a single person, regardless of who that person is.

Second, this is an overtly political act in a time of crisis. Trump is pretty much an open book, so it’s not like these little windows into his psyche are groundbreaking, but this is very clear evidence of what the guy considers important. He is campaigning for re-election and not shy about using every opportunity to do so. He might care about helping people out in this time, but he wants to make sure that people know that it’s him helping them out first and foremost. Can you not understand why many people consider this gross behavior?

Finally, notice how I’m not commenting on the delay this will cause in distribution of the checks - that’s a crumb.

 

[Crease]

thank this Administration for making sure the direct deposits went out.

Did you light a candle for Obama every time you received a tax refund during 2008-2016?

The President is quite literally following Congress's orders here, and you're patrolling this thread to make sure the President is receiving the level of praise you think he deserves.

 

[Fireonk]

thank this Administration for making sure the direct deposits went out.

LOL, did you thank the Obama administration when your tax returns went out while he was president?

How you are trying to turn my comment into a Trump thing is hilarious.

 

[NYSPORTS]

That's a good point. We should be thanking the administration for actually doing their jobs this time, rather than refusing calls from governors who hurt their fragile egos, or outbidding states for medical supplies, or ignoring multiple briefings on this

we should be ignoring the media’s take as fact rather than tabloid

 

[NYSPORTS]

LOL, did you thank the Obama administration when your tax returns went out while he was president?

How you are trying to turn my comment into a Trump thing is hilarious.

i was too perplexed why the same media and followers praised cash for clunkers was a good stimulus program while i saw my tax returns were less than they are today.

I’m thankful this leader and administration continues to plow forward against the virus.

 

[Fireonk]

i was too perplexed why the same media and followers praised cash for clunkers was a good stimulus program and saw my tax returns were less than they are today.

I’m thankful this leader and administration continues to plow forward against the virus.

"Why wont people discuss science and the virus?!?"

"Remember that cash for clunkers program?"

Haha, amazing.