OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part IV - II

[True Blue]

Honestly, have trouble seeing how a lot of gyms will survive either way. Even without serious limitations I imagine there will be a ton of people hesitant to go into that type of environment and a lot of the cancelled memberships won't come back, at least for a good long while.

I think that depending on the type of training, you would be surprised. There is a group of people that would flock if it opened today. Adding every single physical performance professional who works in gyms (from Equinox to LA Fitness to Soul Cycle to Rowing to boxing to kick boxing to CrossFit, Pilates, etc), along with every single cleaning staff and front desk worker to the ranks of those who are permanently unemployed would be disastrous.

Yes, some people will never come back. But then some people will never eat at a restaurant ever again. Yet, the industry will go on.

Yup, with everyone in financial trouble and them being a luxury item they will take a hit anyway. Combine that with the stigma of the disease, I just don't see many of them surviving.

Again, I think that you greatly underestimate the mentality. The gyms will have sanitizers everywhere as well as Purell. Barbells will get wiped down. So too will rowers and bicycles. Cleaning people will add sanitizing everything to their job descriptions.

Yes, some will not go back due to financial reasons of fears of disease. But I believe that those who do a lot of group training and more serious training in general (speaking for CrossFit and the like here) will go back.

 

[True Blue]

The other thing is people will now be in a routine of doing things themselves. Which means with the economic turbulence, people may pull back on memberships

Some will, but those that engage in group training are more than chomping at the bit to go back. More than enough that would rather not do it themselves as going for jogs is not quite the same thing as doing any physical training.

Sure some places will close. But more than enough will survive.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Companies are going to have to hire full time sanitizers to encourage ppl to return. Like hourly cleaning and wipedowns of machines and tools or whatever is feasible. It is an added expense but totally necessary now to instill confidence in the public and can be pulled back gradually as normalcy returns

the virtual office. Many will be remote IMO.

 

[Fireonk]

I think that depending on the type of training, you would be surprised. There is a group of people that would flock if it opened today. Adding every single physical performance professional who works in gyms (from Equinox to LA Fitness to Soul Cycle to Rowing to boxing to kick boxing to CrossFit, Pilates, etc), along with every single cleaning staff and front desk worker to the ranks of those who are permanently unemployed would be disastrous.

Yes, some people will never come back. But then some people will never eat at a restaurant ever again. Yet, the industry will go on.

If you subscribe to the idea that we can't save everyone, I think the same applies to you can't save every business. Not really saying if gyms fit that classification, but it is something to think about.

They are obviously going to be a higher spread risk than restaurants and I would imagine should be in the last phase of re-opening only before things that have massive groups in small spaces like sports and concerts.

 

[True Blue]

If you subscribe to the idea that we can't save everyone, I think the same applies to you can't save every business. Not really saying if gyms fit that classification, but it is something to think about.

They are obviously going to be a higher spread risk than restaurants and I would imagine should be in the last phase of re-opening only before things that have massive groups in small spaces like sports and concerts.

You can't save every one and no you can't save every gym. But just like a good amount of people will be saved, so too will a good amount of gyms.

They are not higher risk spread than restaurants where people handle your forks and dishes and food. There will more measures adopted, but they will open like everything else will. That is just part of returning to normal. While it seems that this may not be as important to you, I guarantee you that there are more than enough to whom it is important to. And better health is better health.

I highly doubt that Olympics will be permanently eliminated because it is virtually impossible for athletes to compete without masks. Or high school athletics.

 

[Fireonk]

You can't save every one and no you can't save every gym. But just like a good amount of people will be saved, so too will a good amount of gyms.

They are not higher risk spread than restaurants where people handle your forks and dishes and food. There will more measures adopted, but they will open like everything else will. That is just part of returning to normal. While it seems that this may not be as important to you, I guarantee you that there are more than enough to whom it is important to. And better health is better health.

I highly doubt that Olympics will be permanently eliminated because it is virtually impossible for athletes to compete without masks. Or high school athletics.

Not sure where you got its not that important to me. I only think you better be very careful on how it's done to avoid a 2nd critical mass wave. As I have said before, I think having to shut down a 2nd time from a false start would do more long term damage than extending the current shut down by 2 weeks or being very tactical in opening things in phases.

I agree that some gyms will survive, I just think out of all industries they are one that is likely to take a big permanent hit from this.

I am not an expert by any means on the transmission of this, but I would think the heavy exertion and breathing done by people at gyms would be more of a risk than eating at a restaurant where you can be a bit more controlled about who is handling the food.

 

[True Blue]

Not sure where you got its not that important to me. I only think you better be very careful on how it's done to avoid a 2nd critical mass wave. As I have said before, I think having to shut down a 2nd time from a false start would do more long term damage than extending the current shut down by 2 weeks or being very tactical in opening things in phases.

Of course we need to be careful, but that is what I am talking about regarding wiping down the barbells, spraying down the mats, wiping down the bikes, rowers, etc. And again, and here is where I think that you and I have a difference of views, I do not think that they will shut down for a second time. Once that band aid is ripped off, it is off. So yes, there will likely be spikes in cases, but that will not cause them to shut everything down again.

And this goes beyond the concept of gyms. This goes for any kind of boutique training. They are now legion. Huge following of people and huge employment opportunities. But even beyond that. High school sports need them. Would be boxers need them. Professional wrestlers need them. Physical therapists need them. So to chiropractors. So too do people training for Olympics. Prospects training for the NHL.

Think of the sport of swimming. Are you going to do away with swimming because they cannot do it wearing a mask?

I agree that some gyms will survive, I just think out of all industries they are one that is likely to take a big permanent hit from this.

Agree to disagree. I think that they are the same as crowded bard and restaurants.

I am not an expert by any means on the transmission of this, but I would think the heavy exertion and breathing done by people at gyms would be more of a risk than eating at a restaurant where you can be a bit more controlled about who is handling the food.

Certainly not an expert either but if you are going to have professional, amateur & high school sports, then you will have gyms.

One can take a completely opposite view and believe that the heavy exertion done at gyms will help your overall health which seems to help with this and not hurt. As opposed to having a line cook cough on your food before taking it out to you.

 

[Fireonk]

One can take a completely opposite view and believe that the heavy exertion done at gyms will help your overall health which seems to help with this and not hurt. As opposed to having a line cook cough on your food before taking it out to you.

Generally cool with what you are saying, like you said, some parts we might have to agree to disagree. For this part though, I was of course referring to the risk of spreading to others, which is the more serious threat to a re-opening. No one is going from high risk to low risk in terms of mortality from this all because of an extra month or two in the gym.

 

[True Blue]

Generally cool with what you are saying, like you said, some parts we might have to agree to disagree. For this part though, I was of course referring to the risk of spreading to others, which is the more serious threat to a re-opening. No one is going from high risk to low risk in terms of mortality from this all because of an extra month or two in the gym.

I get it. I just believe that once the band aid is ripped off, it is off for good. And you are certainly right about the risk of high to low not changing because of one or two months missed. But that part goes to the overall wellness, health of an individual. Prolonged isolation is going to cause a range of other issues that the virus is not. If you picture a crowded restaurant or bar, the chance of spreading it to others is just as much. But that is just one guys view.

 

[romba]

the virtual office. Many will be remote IMO.

Was specifically talking about gyms which can't be done remotely, and will need to adapt.

 

[romba]

the virtual office. Many will be remote IMO.

Was specifically talking about gyms which can't be done remotely, and will need to adapt.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Was specifically talking about gyms which can't be done remotely, and will need to adapt.

Oh geez, them. Yeah, i’m guessing your way is the only chance.

Meanwhile, we have the NFL draft coming up. How in the world are most of these athletes training? They’re lucky this hit after the combine although this will be a rough rookie intro shortly is my guess (if a rookie camp even happens)

 

[GordonGecko]

NYC Revised deaths (+3700 / 50%)

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/dow...-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-04142020.pdf

 

[UnSandvich]

And so it continues.

Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

 

[LORDE]

And so it continues.

Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

"It's so easy to tell the truth... but they didn't"

 

[mrmovies779]

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said earlier Tuesday that while the WHO and China "made mistakes," Trump is also looking to deflect blame from his own administration.
"Right now, there is a very coordinated effort amongst the White House, and their allies to try to find scapegoats for the fatal mistakes that the President made during the early stages of this virus," he said.
Murphy added: "It is just wildly ironic that the President and his allies are now criticizing China or the WHO for being soft on China when it was in fact the President who was the chief apologist for China during the early stages of this crisis." Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

 

[Ola]

the virtual office. Many will be remote IMO.

Yeah, there will be some changed patterns.

I would definitely not bet on traveling returning to normal within 36 months. But it’s hard to predict.

 

[Ola]

And so it continues.

Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

What is next, blame they teachers union in Ohio for being soft on organized crime in Nevada?

What is WHO supposed to do with China? It literary has zero tools at its disposal to handle anything like member states reporting faulty numbers.

 

[sbjnyc]

No one knew what it was going to be. But one could have an educated guess. Again, the point is not whether or not somethings could have been done earlier, but rather that no one was going to do anything earlier.

I am saying that one would need to live under a rock not to be able to see this coming.

You keep moving the goalposts and never provide anything concrete to support your claims.

 

[Leetch3]

For gyms I assume you will have to show proof of immunity or negative for CoV. It would be the same for restaurants assuming they can open at all for eat-in

I think the issue becomes that if you can't test everyone before they go back out then all a test shows is that the person didn't have it at the time of testing. but they could have interacted with people that weren't tested and now have it

 

[GordonGecko]

I think the issue becomes that if you can't test everyone before they go back out then all a test shows is that the person didn't have it at the time of testing. but they could have interacted with people that weren't tested and now have it

Yeah, that's a huge problem which would limit things to the people with the antibodies. The 5 minute abbott test is interesting, I don't know what the cost is. But if you can get the cost down to the range of a buck and mass produced, you can test someone who walks in the the door 7 times a week

 

[NYSPORTS]

and trying to move back to science and away from narrative which always fails


India strain has mutated. Is this good or bad??

Reports of this mutation are said to make the efforts for a vaccine futile

BUT - the mutation might prevent the virus from binding to the lungs

“This structure targets cells containing ACE2, an enzyme found in the lungs which also allowed the severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) virus to infect people.”

“A computer simulation shows that the RBD mutation, which was not found in other variants across the globe, could remove a hydrogen bond from the spike protein.”

“Without this bond, the virus may be less likely to bind with ACE2, or angiotensin converting enzyme-2, which is found in the lungs and other organs.”


So i would say this sounds good . . . yet what’s in store for the next mutation?

Thoughts?

 

[Off Sides]

Some people are concerned about the elderly. Others putting off surgery which could prolong their lives, or the lives of their family members. Some concerned about food, not just for themselves but for those less able to provide for themselves. Heath care workers, first responders are battling for the greater good. Others are more concerned about the economy or about gyms, restaurants and such. Myself, personally, I'm not sure how humanity became this way.

 

[Metranger]

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said earlier Tuesday that while the WHO and China "made mistakes," Trump is also looking to deflect blame from his own administration.
"Right now, there is a very coordinated effort amongst the White House, and their allies to try to find scapegoats for the fatal mistakes that the President made during the early stages of this virus," he said.
Murphy added: "It is just wildly ironic that the President and his allies are now criticizing China or the WHO for being soft on China when it was in fact the President who was the chief apologist for China during the early stages of this crisis." Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

Trump misfires not withstanding, I agree with Trump on this one. WHO is in China's pocket.

I watched a skype interview on VICE channel I believe between a higher up of WHO and a reporter/journalist who asked the guy about Taiwan and what he thought about their success in dealing with the virus. The guy was visibly shaken and immediately tried to change the subject and chirped about how China did a good job dealing with the virus(a total diversion). She asked again and the guy refused to answer and thanked her and ended the interview. You could not walk away from that and not shrug and say the WHO is China's bitch.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, who serves on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said earlier Tuesday that while the WHO and China "made mistakes," Trump is also looking to deflect blame from his own administration.
"Right now, there is a very coordinated effort amongst the White House, and their allies to try to find scapegoats for the fatal mistakes that the President made during the early stages of this virus," he said.
Murphy added: "It is just wildly ironic that the President and his allies are now criticizing China or the WHO for being soft on China when it was in fact the President who was the chief apologist for China during the early stages of this crisis." Trump halts World Health Organization funding over handling of coronavirus outbreak - CNNPolitics

there are Middleweights, below them are Lightweights, further down are flyweights and a few miles below that is the weight and impact of one Chris Murphy.

I applaud the funding being pulled from the WHO. Thank you.