OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Part II (READ THE OP)

[Gardner McKay]

It was the government's responsibility to learn from Italy's mistakes. We are about 10 days behind Italy and on an eerily similar trajectory. Toss in the fact that our healthcare system is not as equipped as their's to handle this sort of overflow and we are looking at dire straits. Italy's healthcare system is trash, but ours is third world. We also don't have paid sick leave so workers at many places that are open are still, undoubtedly, going in. The bill the congress is set to pash is shit and only enacts it for 20% of workers.

Moreover, while many people are undoubtedly changing their behaviors, the photos and videos from St. Paddy's pub crawls and Disney World, etc., make it clear that this thing is going to spread far and wide across the U.S.

The next ten days is going to be absolutely horrendous. I recently moved back to the U.S. from Warsaw, and I am feeling awful about it. Poland is behaving extremely aggresively, while my governor in Atlanta is doing nothing and will only react once everyone in Georgia is sick.

And if the federal government continues to leave it up to each individual state to do the right thing, some states will act appropriately, while others will be neglectful leading to viral outbreaks and overwhelmed hospitals.

That is patently false. I live in Atlanta. I've watched all of his addresses to the state. You may not like Kemp but unlike the President, he has been prepared since day one.

 

[Brief Candle]

president was, yeah. kept reassuring the public that we would be down to zero cases lol

I think this week is it for me. I have to have a conversation with my employer. can't risk my health, or the elderly folks I serve at work. can't see my boss closing the store, either, so I have to talk to them.

I'm a small business owner and we shut down for the week for now. It's absolutely crushing. I'm going to be taking out a small business loan just to cover things for my guys. I'll be damned if I'm going to aid in the spread of this shit. What's totally f***ed is that I fully expect zero help from this government, in a time of national crisis, where I am trying to do right by my employees and community.

 

[NYSPORTS]

So dumb that it took this long for such action.

Were they expecting things to get better over the past week?

What about the rest of the country delaying action? My gosh, Disney was packed last night, restaurants and bars are loading up for St Patrick’s day tomorrow. Crazy

 

[will1066]

What about the rest of the country delaying action? My gosh, Disney was packed last night, restaurants and bars are loading up for St Patrick’s day tomorrow. Crazy

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.

Let those dumb enough congregate with each other. Darwinism at work.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Trump announce at 3:30 that all domestic flights are on hold for a couple weeks

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm a small business owner and we shut down for the week for now. It's absolutely crushing. I'm going to be taking out a small business loan just to cover things for my guys. I'll be damned if I'm going to aid in the spread of this shit. What's totally f***ed is that I fully expect zero help from this government, in a time of national crisis, where I am trying to do right by my employees and community.

I work for a small business and had to go into work today and I understand why. I really feel for you being a small business owner. I hope you do get some financial help. The economic fallout is going to be disastrous for most but especially for small business owners. Good luck to you and your employees.

 

[GordonGecko]

SO f'n dumb, absolutely no point to this. They are banning people from going outside at the time of day with the least amount of people out. Makes absolutely NO sense. Yes close the gathering places but people should remain free to go to the store or travel or whatever

 

[UnSandvich]

 

[offdacrossbar]

just returned back from colorado trip.

we saw the avs rangers game. awesome btw. love this team.

we skied keystone for 3 days. never skied breckenridge but spent alot of time there in town. the day after we left, vail properties which owns most of the ski places CLOSED for 1 week. no skiing. feel bad for all those people heading up the pass as we headed down sat. a week in Colorado and no skiing. ugh.

this whole thing is very worriesome. its scary. forget the market, which is cratering and killing me for sure. this is a human thing and we all have to do our part and be responsible for us. if we ALL do that, we can minimize the exposure and risk. hopefully this thing will ease and we get back to normal soon.

as for me and my family, we cant go to the gym anymore or out to eat or gather with people. we will hunker down, ride our bikes, play golf, hike, walk the dogs and be outside alot. we have plenty of wine and booze and netflix. lots to do around both houses inside and outside. power washing and spring cleaning stuff will keep us busy.

have a plan. implement it and be smart. wash your hands and minimize close contact with strangers.

dont be stupid and selfish. dont ignore this and act like its business as usual. its not.

stay safe everyone.

 

[Fugazy]

Wow.

 

[UnSandvich]

Wow.

I'm not a fan of Cuomo, but this is absolutely the right call. Also, his next tweet down the chain says grocery stores will still remain open, which, tbh, was to be expected, but still

 

[Leetch3]

I'm not a fan of Cuomo, but this is absolutely the right call. Also, his next tweet down the chain says grocery stores will still remain open, which, tbh, was to be expected, but still

it was expected but needed to be said...people hoarding supplies are doing it out of fear that they will be locked in their homes and unable to get stuff.

 

[NYSPORTS]

SO f'n dumb, absolutely no point to this. They are banning people from going outside at the time of day with the least amount of people out. Makes absolutely NO sense. Yes close the gathering places but people should remain free to go to the store or travel or whatever

well, this decision was likely collaborative. Think about people bored traveling to others houses. A get together of 6, have dinner, stop at gas station, go home. They are trying to keep as many apart as possible. They have to take the opportunity out of of peoples hands. That has to be the thinking or along those lines

 

[eco's bones]

The economy is going to suffer until we contain the problem. That's just the way it is......and the less we contain the problem the longer this is going on, the more people that are going to die and the worse the economy is going to get. So people do need to do their part to make sure that they don't help the spread and yeah it means people and businesses are going to take a hit to their bottom lines and some will get hit worse than others. The sooner everyone is on board with this though the sooner we'll be able to put it behind us and the less hurtful it will be economically too---so people wanting to crowd into bars and restaurants and those who want to party at spring break and all the St. Patrick's day shit (and I'm Irish) aren't making things better---they're kind of f***ing things up. All that dumb shit needs to stop.

As far as governors, mayors etc.---a lot of them have had to step up because they're getting no help from the White House. That's where the coordination for a national emergency needs to come from but so far just thumb up your ass mixed messaging and inaction. I don't like Cuomo really but he's taking responsibility linking up with Connecticut and New Jersey here and the same for the Connecticut and New Jersey governors as well. This shouldn't be their job though. When there is a vacuum of any kind of leadership in a major crisis though it needed to happen. So kudos to them--hopefully they'll link up with others.

 

[Crease]

Mentioned this in the previous thread but it's good to be on the same page with your doctor and insurer before a need arises.

My doctor told me he doesn't have coronavirus tests and that I should call CDC if I think I have symptoms. My insurer said that if CDC instructs me to go a testing site there will be no patient responsibility for the diagnostic.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I'm not a fan of Cuomo, but this is absolutely the right call. Also, his next tweet down the chain says grocery stores will still remain open, which, tbh, was to be expected, but still

We've closed just about everything else, lets close grocery stores also. I have some rabbit and deer on my property that I can hunt.

 

[JimmyG89]

As far as governors, mayors etc.---a lot of them have had to step up because they're getting no help from the White House.

Actually, the actions being taken at the federal level is ALLOWING these people to step up.

If things like this were treated federally, we would never get what we need. Has nothing to do with any administration, because whoever was running it would not be able to get people what they need.

We're also at a point where bigger populaces need different things. That's why state, city, and local officials need the power to make choices, which they are.

Do we need the same protocols for NYC as, let's say, Boise? Why would they need anything related to this with just 5 confirmed cases? Let their local officials make the decisions. Federal oversight is the last thing we need. What we need is the federal government to take the chains off of the state and local governments so they can be more proactive and be able to help in their local areas. Everything I have seen so far has been done to empower state/city/local governments.

When Cuomo and Newsom are praising the work they have done with Trump and the help he is giving them, I know damn well that it's happening, because those two would probably throw him under an 18 wheeler if they could.

 

[frozenrubber]

Actually, the actions being taken at the federal level is ALLOWING these people to step up.

If things like this were treated federally, we would never get what we need. Has nothing to do with any administration, because whoever was running it would not be able to get people what they need.

We're also at a point where bigger populaces need different things. That's why state, city, and local officials need the power to make choices, which they are.

Do we need the same protocols for NYC as, let's say, Boise? Why would they need anything related to this with just 5 confirmed cases? Let their local officials make the decisions. Federal oversight is the last thing we need. What we need is the federal government to take the chains off of the state and local governments so they can be more proactive and be able to help in their local areas. Everything I have seen so far has been done to empower state/city/local governments.

When Cuomo and Newsom are praising the work they have done with Trump and the help he is giving them, I know damn well that it's happening, because those two would probably throw him under an 18 wheeler if they could.

Actually not the case. Cuomo has continually outlined the help he has not received from Federal authorities, and even outlined additional items in a direct letter to Trump yesterday.

If you want to see an example, look at the video request for Gateway Tunnel Project, a video with a targeted audience of one. Cuomo pulls punches on personal attacks when he really needs assistance.

Testing capabilities is what the states have needed for weeks and the federal government has failed states in an unimaginable scale, despite the many weeks of warning from developments in other countries.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Actually, the actions being taken at the federal level is ALLOWING these people to step up.

If things like this were treated federally, we would never get what we need. Has nothing to do with any administration, because whoever was running it would not be able to get people what they need.

We're also at a point where bigger populaces need different things. That's why state, city, and local officials need the power to make choices, which they are.

Do we need the same protocols for NYC as, let's say, Boise? Why would they need anything related to this with just 5 confirmed cases?

Why wouldn't Boise be equally concerned about the outbreak as NYC? The whole problem with Covid is that we have no cure or therapeutics for it, it spreads extremely easily and rapidly, and in many instances people who are carrying it don't realize. It's an issue of containment because if something is not done at a national level, containment will continue to be undermined by localized differences in protocol. States and cities are all enacting partial measures on different timelines. eco is right to say that the longer this is fumbled and treated as a piecemeal operation, the worse outcome it will lead to over time.

 

[LORDE]

@True Blue are we in a recession yet?

 

[LORDE]

Actually not the case. Cuomo has continually outlined the help he has not received from Federal authorities, and even outlined additional items in a direct letter to Trump yesterday.

What Cuomo is doing is not purposely inflaming payback from a federal gov't leader who is very vindictive and retaliatory. If you want to see an example, look at the video request for Gateway Tunnel Project, a video with a targeted audience of one. Cuomo pulls punches on personal attacks when he really needs assistance.

Testing capabilities is what the states have needed for weeks and the federal government has failed states in an unimaginable scale, despite the many weeks of warning from developments in other countries.

Because when people are faced w reality and realize they are smarter than those above them. U see honesty

 

[Inferno]

That is patently false. I live in Atlanta. I've watched all of his addresses to the state. You may not like Kemp but unlike the President, he has been prepared since day one.

My wife works for the state...she has to either go into work or take unpaid leave...which she's used all of when we had the 2 kids...they are encouraged to work fr home, but she's a scientist and we don't have million dollar pieces of machinery in our house. I do wish he would give them paid leave..

 

[eco's bones]

Actually, the actions being taken at the federal level is ALLOWING these people to step up.

If things like this were treated federally, we would never get what we need. Has nothing to do with any administration, because whoever was running it would not be able to get people what they need.

We're also at a point where bigger populaces need different things. That's why state, city, and local officials need the power to make choices, which they are.

Do we need the same protocols for NYC as, let's say, Boise? Why would they need anything related to this with just 5 confirmed cases? Let their local officials make the decisions. Federal oversight is the last thing we need. What we need is the federal government to take the chains off of the state and local governments so they can be more proactive and be able to help in their local areas. Everything I have seen so far has been done to empower state/city/local governments.

When Cuomo and Newsom are praising the work they have done with Trump and the help he is giving them, I know damn well that it's happening, because those two would probably throw him under an 18 wheeler if they could.

We've hardly even started testing people for real here and it's mainly because of federal inaction so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Gardner McKay]

My wife works for the state...she has to either go into work or take unpaid leave...which she's used all of when we had the 2 kids...they are encouraged to work fr home, but she's a scientist and we don't have million dollar pieces of machinery in our house. I do wish he would give them paid leave..

Is she sure she has exhausted all of her FMLA?

 

[Irishguy42]