Value of: Conor Garland

[Canuck Luck]

What teams would have interest and what would they pay?

Canucks needs are a 3C or a D if it has to be salary swap. Prefer to clear cap and gain draft picks given the rumoured interest in Barbashev for 3C and Gavrikov for D.

Click to read more...

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Probably a buy-out.

 

[blankall]

I can't see you accomplishing all of:
1. Acquiring roster player.
2. Clearing cap.
3. Acquiring draft picks.

Realistically, I don't see anyone giving up picks for Garland and his contract. Cap space is too precious.

If you do clear cap, it'll be for a worse roster player making $3.5 ish million. You might be able to save $1-2 million in cap, if you take on a worse player looking for a change in scenery.

 

[credulous]

garland makes everyone around him worse. the exact opposite of a team player

the best way to use him is to put him on a third or fourth line with some grinders to generate some bonus offense but no one in their right mind is paying 4.75m for the next three seasons for that

 

[dirtydanglez]

maybe dvorak plus something small

 

[Canuck Luck]

I can't see you accomplishing all of:
1. Acquiring roster player.
2. Clearing cap.
3. Acquiring draft picks.

Realistically, I don't see anyone giving up picks for Garland and his contract. Cap space is too precious.

If you do clear cap, it'll be for a worse roster player making $3.5 ish million. You might be able to save $1-2 million in cap, if you take on a worse player looking for a change in scenery.

wasnt looking to do all that. I was just stating those are the Canucks off-season plans. Ideally they just trade Garland for a pick but since most teams are close to being capped out, it's likely the Canucks have to take a roster player back. That roster player would ideally be a C or D at the same or lesser cap hit.

Teams I could see perhaps having interest are:
Carolina (competitive team that likes analytic players)
Columbus (have troubles signing players and lack middle 6 wingers)
Nashville (competitive team that fits Garland's playstyle)

Carolina likely would be something like Garland + pick/prospects for Kotkaniemi
Columbus would be just a cap clearing move like Garland for Bemstrom + pick/prospect
Nashville would be a semi cap clearing move like Garland + for Glass + Sissons

 

[gianni]

I think the plan is to trade Tanner Pearson (expiring), and one of Conor Garland, Anthony Beauvillier (expiring) or Brock Boeser. Beauvillier shouldn't be difficult to move if need be.

 

[Canuck Luck]

I think the plan is to trade Tanner Pearson (expiring), and one of Conor Garland, Anthony Beauvillier (expiring) or Brock Boeser. Beauvillier shouldn't be difficult to move if need be.

Pearson's career is likely over. He's had 5 surgeries and may need more.

Report: Canucks’ Tanner Pearson has had five surgeries, next season in doubt

<p style="font-weight: 400;"><span style="font-weight: 400;">Tough new...

canucksarmy.com

IMO Canucks should move Garland and Beau. Boeser is still a 60+ point winger. Have Mikheyev flank the other wing to help make up for the speed + defensive issues Boeser brings.

 

[squashmaple]

wasnt looking to do all that. I was just stating those are the Canucks off-season plans. Ideally they just trade Garland for a pick but since most teams are close to being capped out, it's likely the Canucks have to take a roster player back. That roster player would ideally be a C or D at the same or lesser cap hit.

Teams I could see perhaps having interest are:
Carolina (competitive team that likes analytic players)
Columbus (have troubles signing players and lack middle 6 wingers)
Nashville (competitive team that fits Garland's playstyle)

Carolina likely would be something like Garland + pick/prospects for Kotkaniemi
Columbus would be just a cap clearing move like Garland for Bemstrom + pick/prospect
Nashville would be a semi cap clearing move like Garland + for Glass + Sissons

Columbus wouldn't have any interest. They've got plenty of wingers as it is who don't cost anything to acquire since they're already in house. Next year assuming health, the wings are something like Gaudreau/Marchenko, Johnson/Laine, Foudy/Chinakhov, plus fourth line grinders in Robinson/Olivier. And that's not including Roslovic and Jenner who are wings currently masquerading as centers.

 

[blankall]

wasnt looking to do all that. I was just stating those are the Canucks off-season plans. Ideally they just trade Garland for a pick but since most teams are close to being capped out, it's likely the Canucks have to take a roster player back. That roster player would ideally be a C or D at the same or lesser cap hit.

Teams I could see perhaps having interest are:
Carolina (competitive team that likes analytic players)
Columbus (have troubles signing players and lack middle 6 wingers)
Nashville (competitive team that fits Garland's playstyle)

Carolina likely would be something like Garland + pick/prospects for Kotkaniemi
Columbus would be just a cap clearing move like Garland for Bemstrom + pick/prospect
Nashville would be a semi cap clearing move like Garland + for Glass + Sissons

Carolina is not giving up Kotkainiemi for Garland. Kotkainiemi is still only 22 and has much higher upside, plus they'd have to check their ego in a big way to trade Kotkainiemi now.

I can't see a rebuilding team trading for Garland. He's, at best, a complimentary roster player. Plus Columbus and Nashville both have many depth forwards. I doubt they are looking for more. Plus no one is trading a UFA making 900k, that produces with bottom six minutes, for Garland's contract. That's awful asset management.

Also, no team has trouble signing wingers, if they are willing to give up $5 mil/year for a 40-50 point undersized winger.

 

[Chrispy]

Carolina likely would be something like Garland + pick/prospects for Kotkaniemi

Kotkaniemi is 22, has a 4.82 AAV, and has scored 36 points this season after an ice cold start to the season (31 points in his last 51 games.)

Garland is 27, has a 4.92 AAV, and has scored 40 points on the season.

I don’t see any reason for Carolina to make this move. Kotkaniemi has taken steps forward this season and at 22 still has potential for further development.

 

[AHLdepth]

maybe dvorak plus something small

Canucks have said top priority is finding a solid 3c, and they've wanted a young C the whole trade deadline so that checks out.

The cap is also essentially a wash Garland making 500k more?

Depending on Colliton/Tocchet's view on Hoglander this is something I'd probably do.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Columbus wouldn't have any interest. They've got plenty of wingers as it is who don't cost anything to acquire since they're already in house. Next year assuming health, the wings are something like Gaudreau/Marchenko, Johnson/Laine, Foudy/Chinakhov, plus fourth line grinders in Robinson/Olivier. And that's not including Roslovic and Jenner who are wings currently masquerading as centers.

Which is exactly my point. They lack middle 6 wingers. They have 2 high end wingers in laine and gaudreau. Then they have 2 young middle 6 wingers in Johnson and Marchenko filling out their top 6. After that they have a bunch of 4th line wingers and some prospects.

Foudy/Robinson/Oliver are all 4th liners. Chinakov can slot in as a middle 6 winger for sure, but isn’t the reason he’s in the ahl now so he can work on his game so he has a better chance of being more than a 3rd liner? Wouldn’t Columbus want to leave him there for another year to develop him? If they do have him up back on the 3rd line that leaves 1 more winger spot needing to be filled by someone whom could play in the top 6 when injuries occur or when their young guys (marchenko/Johnson) are overwhelmed and need a couple games in a lesser role to get their confidence going again.

They could however look to sign centers and move Roslovic and or Jenner to the wing though.

Not like the acquisition cost I mentioned is particularly high. Isn’t bemstrom on the outs in Columbus? Him + a mid round pick/prospect is likely a lower acquisition cost than it would be for the extra salary a similar level player to sign in Columbus as a ufa. For example a similar level winger ondrej palat for 6M x 5 as a 31 yr old on the market last summer

 

[Djp]

wasnt looking to do all that. I was just stating those are the Canucks off-season plans. Ideally they just trade Garland for a pick but since most teams are close to being capped out, it's likely the Canucks have to take a roster player back. That roster player would ideally be a C or D at the same or lesser cap hit.

Teams I could see perhaps having interest are:
Carolina (competitive team that likes analytic players)
Columbus (have troubles signing players and lack middle 6 wingers)
Nashville (competitive team that fits Garland's playstyle)

Carolina likely would be something like Garland + pick/prospects for Kotkaniemi
Columbus would be just a cap clearing move like Garland for Bemstrom + pick/prospect
Nashville would be a semi cap clearing move like Garland + for Glass + Sissons

how many teams have the cap space to take on his contract? Thst real estate is very high

you don’t think other teams are aware of him?

nashville is going to be near the cap next year. They don’t have the room to take that contract on.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

People have to understand Garland was a monster 5on5 producer last season and still quite useful in that role this season as well. He still has value even if limited.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Carolina is not giving up Kotkainiemi for Garland. Kotkainiemi is still only 22 and has much higher upside, plus they'd have to check their ego in a big way to trade Kotkainiemi now.

I can't see a rebuilding team trading for Garland. He's, at best, a complimentary roster player. Plus Columbus and Nashville both have many depth forwards. I doubt they are looking for more. Plus no one is trading a UFA making 900k, that produces with bottom six minutes, for Garland's contract. That's awful asset management.

Also, no team has trouble signing wingers, if they are willing to give up $5 mil/year for a 40-50 point undersized winger.

I did say garland + for KK. It really depends on if they see necas as a winger or a C moving forward.

Yes KK is 22 but I think you’re selling his upside way too much. He turns 23 before the start of next season and has over 300 nhl games played already. This season is his best ever and it’s just barely better than his rookie season offensively. At this point he’s closer to being a finished product vs having a high upside. It’s rare for players with 5 seasons and 300+ games to have huge offensive breakouts without showing it prior to.

Garland is a 45-55 point winger. KK is a 35-40 point 3C. There’s still hope he could become a 45 point 3C. He also plays the more important position and is more defensively responsible which is why the Canucks would need to add on top of the slim chance he has the potential to be 44-55 point C.

Honestly depending on the + this is the worst way the Canucks could move garland but one of the things I can see them doing. They are on the record for looking for former 1st round selection players in the 21-24 year old range that haven’t lived up to expectations

 

[DearDiary]

Kotkaniemi is 22, has a 4.82 AAV, and has scored 36 points this season after an ice cold start to the season (31 points in his last 51 games.)

Garland is 27, has a 4.92 AAV, and has scored 40 points on the season.

I don’t see any reason for Carolina to make this move. Kotkaniemi has taken steps forward this season and at 22 still has potential for further development.

Has he really taken steps forward? Kot was on pace for 30 5on5 points last season, this season he's on pace for 26. Has he become a defensive specialist or am I missing something?

 

[Soups On]

Meh, Garland criticism is a bit much. Had a slow start this season and would hazard the concussion had a lot to do with that - especially as a smaller winger that's always deep in board battles.

He's still very good at even strength and though his shot isn't anything to write home about, he can still finish in tight and his speed/shiftiness really does open up the ice for the players around him. Would rather the Canucks keep Garland and trade Boeser if they want to open up cap.

 

[Canuck Luck]

how many teams have the cap space to take on his contract? Thst real estate is very high

you don’t think other teams are aware of him?

nashville is going to be near the cap next year. They don’t have the room to take that contract on.

that’s why I mentioned a swap of him for a lesser C or D since most teams are tight against the cap for next season.

There's no way Nashville is going to be anywhere near the cap next year without making some major signings. They have 12 F 6D 2G = 20 players signed and still have 13.9M in cap space with a 83.5M cap. They have 3 RFA to sign in Carrier, Glass, and Foote. Combined, all 3 would be lucky to take up 9M in cap combined. Even if the 3 combined took 9M in cap, that leaves Nashville with 4.9M cap space.

Swapping Sissons + for Garland takes about 2M. Swapping Sissons + Glass for Garland + would equate to Nashville not losing any cap space. The reason I think Nashville could be of interest is because they have 6 NHL C (Duchene/Johansen/Novak/Parssinen/Glass/Sissons). Only Duchene/Sissons play wing. That still leaves them with 4 C all of which ideally need top 9 roles.
Glass is the worst of the bunch so it would make sense to sell him now that he has recouped some trade value. For Vancouver, Glass fits the mold of former 1st round pick in the 21-24 age range player they are looking for in trades.
Sissons would be a 4th line winger for for Nash with the acquistion of Garland so it would make sense to move him and his 2.85M in this deal too. For the Canucks, they only have Mikheyev as a defensively responsible winger, so Sissons would be perfect on the wing on the 3rd line for them where Garland slots now.

 

[StickShift]

An excerpt from a Canucks Notebook article on The Athletic—a passage about Conor Garland:

Garland has scored 18 points in 27 games since Tocchet’s arrival. That may not jump off the page, but it’s impressive considering Garland’s been saddled with bottom-six linemates and hasn’t received first-unit power-play time. Only Elias Pettersson, Andrei Kuzmenko and Miller have notched five-on-five points at a higher rate than him during this span.

It’s not just the points, Garland is legitimately driving play. He’s helped the Canucks earn 51.8 percent of shot attempts which ranks third among Canucks forwards. That territorial edge has translated to a plus-4 goal differential at five-on-five too, which is a huge get from a bottom-six line. With the top end of the Canucks’ lineup driving high-end results, there’s been a lot of discussion about how the club can flesh out a competent supporting cast. If Vancouver can’t move Garland in the summer, it should lean on him to be the engine of a third line.

Canucks notebook: Miller's dominance, McDonough's potential, NCAA signings

Miller's scored 11 goals and 34 points in 27 games since Canucks coach Rick Tocchet's arrival in Vancouver.

theathletic.com

 

[Canuck Luck]

Meh, Garland criticism is a bit much. Had a slow start this season and would hazard the concussion had a lot to do with that - especially as a smaller winger that's always deep in board battles.

He's still very good at even strength and though his shot isn't anything to write home about, he can still finish in tight and his speed/shiftiness really does open up the ice for the players around him. Would rather the Canucks keep Garland and trade Boeser if they want to open up cap.

I agree the criticism is a bit much on Garland. 4.95M for a 45-55 point middle 6 winger is market value as proven by the deals most wingers recieved in UFA last summer.

I disagree that Boeser should be the one moved. Garland is at his best a 55-60 point winger that gets his points through having an above average iq, hard work and hustle. He has an average skillset otherwise. He isn't elite at anything offensively which is why he doesn't fit the PP. I could see him declining in about 3 years once he hits 30.
Boeser is the complete opposite, At his worst, he is a 50 point winger. Has a shot and is an underrated passer. His issue is he doesnt have the hard work and hustle. He clearly is still a 1st line caliber offensive player. Coming off a hand injury in training camp, his shot seems to finally be recovering. Remember how bad Pettersson looked with his hand injury and how it affected his entire game? I'm weary of selling low on Boeser whom is still a 60+ point winger going through a lesser hand injury. I could see Boeser recovering back to being a 20-25 goal 65-70 point winger pace and hitting it next season if he stays fully healthy.

 

[squashmaple]

Which is exactly my point. They lack middle 6 wingers. They have 2 high end wingers in laine and gaudreau. Then they have 2 young middle 6 wingers in Johnson and Marchenko filling out their top 6. After that they have a bunch of 4th line wingers and some prospects.

Foudy/Robinson/Oliver are all 4th liners. Chinakov can slot in as a middle 6 winger for sure, but isn’t the reason he’s in the ahl now so he can work on his game so he has a better chance of being more than a 3rd liner? Wouldn’t Columbus want to leave him there for another year to develop him? If they do have him up back on the 3rd line that leaves 1 more winger spot needing to be filled by someone whom could play in the top 6 when injuries occur or when their young guys (marchenko/Johnson) are overwhelmed and need a couple games in a lesser role to get their confidence going again.

They could however look to sign centers and move Roslovic and or Jenner to the wing though.

Not like the acquisition cost I mentioned is particularly high. Isn’t bemstrom on the outs in Columbus? Him + a mid round pick/prospect is likely a lower acquisition cost than it would be for the extra salary a similar level player to sign in Columbus as a ufa. For example a similar level winger ondrej palat for 6M x 5 as a 31 yr old on the market last summer

I mean, they all play for Columbus, so they must all be total garbo who wouldn't even make any other team's rosters, amirite.

Chinakhov was left in Cleveland after his rehab stint finished to help push the Monsters to the AHL playoffs, not because he isn't goot enough to play in Columbus. Yes, Bemstrom is probably on his way out, but Columbus also has Texier possible returning from a year away, Danforth coming back from his shoulder injury next season, Voronkov coming over from Russia, plus a possible top three 2023 pick who will amost certainly start at wing in the NHL. There just is not room for Garland. They've got enough birds-in-hand who don't cost them picks or prospects to acquire. It's not like they'll be much more competitive next season than they are this year.

 

[krutovsdonut]

garland is a very productive bottom six player or at least you may as well put him with bottom six players because he will make them better offensively whereas he seemingly has no chemistry or style fit with most top six players.

i have never tracked it but my impression is his scoring is pretty random. he's not a guy you count on to make a push with the game on the line, but he will certainly help. he is not a soft points guy easy to shut down. he plays his game and finds his points at any point in the game and without needing pp time.

he's one of those players where i understand why teams would hesitate to add him because he does not fit a conventional game plan, but i think that plans are worthless once you encounter the enemy and in a game he's valuable regardless of whether he does not score the way the coach drew it up.

 

[Chrispy]

Has he really taken steps forward? Kot was on pace for 30 5on5 points last season, this season he's on pace for 26. Has he become a defensive specialist or am I missing something?

If you look at his performance since December 1, he’s been visually and statistically much better in that large portion of this season.

And he’s been getting very beneficial matchups, but his defensive stats have been surprisingly good.

In any event, there’s little reason to think dealing Kotkaniemi for Garland makes any sense for Carolina.

 

[Canuck Luck]

I mean, they all play for Columbus, so they must all be total garbo who wouldn't even make any other team's rosters, amirite.

Chinakhov was left in Cleveland after his rehab stint finished to help push the Monsters to the AHL playoffs, not because he isn't goot enough to play in Columbus. Yes, Bemstrom is probably on his way out, but Columbus also has Texier possible returning from a year away, Danforth coming back from his shoulder injury next season, Voronkov coming over from Russia, plus a possible top three 2023 pick who will amost certainly start at wing in the NHL. There just is not room for Garland. They've got enough birds-in-hand who don't cost them picks or prospects to acquire. It's not like they'll be much more competitive next season than they are this year.

Take it easy, no need to get so insecure about your team. I didnt say that about their players. Tell me where I was wrong about their current wingers or how teams generally have to overpay ufa, moreso for Columbus given their history of players not wanting to be there and them having to overpay to attract players (save 1 in Gaudreau) in UFA.

I wasn't aware that Chinakov's demotion had more to do with his injury, but it does sound like they would rather leave him down there to dominate and learn at the lower level than grind out to be a 3rd liner. Perhaps he fills in as a 2nd/3rd liner swapping with Marchenko/Johnson as the 3 go through a potential sophomore slump. I agreed on that. That still leaves 1 top 9 winger spot.

Potentially it could go to Texier/Voronkov. Voronkov is more of a C though no? So wouldnt he be better suited for 3C for CBJ? Texier is a ? I actually was looking into his status a week ago and he had publicaly stated nothing had been decided. This being after Jarmo had said he expects him back.
Danforth is more of a 4th liner. If he's filling out the 3rd line with Chinakov, I'd expect Columbus to be a bottom 10 team again given that their winger depth is 2 elite wingers, then 3 40ish point young offense first wingers that are still learning to play a pro game and then a couple guys better suited to the 4th line.

I wouldnt bank on the top 3 pick. Bedard for sure goes pro, Fantilli likely does too. Not too sure on Carlsson. If CBJ falls outside the top 3, they would be looking at Michikov/Smith/Benson likely. None of those guys would be going pro next season.