jokesondee
I’m not fat. I’m cultivating mass.
Only Vasilevskiy and Plante did it faster. Having a hell of a season. Pretty special player. Should be a lock for 500 and beyond if he stays healthy.
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Connor Hellebuyck 3rd Fastest Goalie to 300 Wins
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Toby91ca
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I'm assuming third fastest in terms of games played, not age. He'll be 32 in a few months. Getting to 500 wins is certainly within reach, but far from a lock. A lot of things still have to go right. Not only being healthy, but playing for a good team and a team sticking with an older goalie without going for the replacement at some point.
At the same age, Roy had 349 wins and he finished his career at 551 (so would have just barely gotten to 500 had he only had 300 at this age)....he had great luck with good teams as well.
Luongo was at 292 at this age and fell short at 489.
Fluery was at 357 at this age....currently at 569....so he only added another 200 or so.
Brodeur was at 383 at this age and he did add just over 300 games....he seems to be an anomaly....though, Belfour put up almost 300 wins after this age I think...never got to 500 though.
At the same age, Roy had 349 wins and he finished his career at 551 (so would have just barely gotten to 500 had he only had 300 at this age)....he had great luck with good teams as well.
Luongo was at 292 at this age and fell short at 489.
Fluery was at 357 at this age....currently at 569....so he only added another 200 or so.
Brodeur was at 383 at this age and he did add just over 300 games....he seems to be an anomaly....though, Belfour put up almost 300 wins after this age I think...never got to 500 though.
Skidooboy
Registered User
the lack of respect Connor gets on this Board, in the press, and in general is appalling.
That "tipping is out of hand" NHL commercial for instance.... HOW is the leagues' Best goalie not in that? How...What possible reason would you have to not put the leagues best goalie in the add?
Appalling.
I get it...Everybody on the BOG wants Winnipeg to fail, they Hate Canada and the success of the Jets market.. they want Hockey to grow in the USA....But seriously..Hellebuyck is probably the single best player in the NHL..Imagine leaving McDavid out of the "Kids these days" commercial,. Imagine leaving Crosby out of it.....
that's not an oversight...It's a hard slap in the face. One Helle doesn't deserve.
That "tipping is out of hand" NHL commercial for instance.... HOW is the leagues' Best goalie not in that? How...What possible reason would you have to not put the leagues best goalie in the add?
Appalling.
I get it...Everybody on the BOG wants Winnipeg to fail, they Hate Canada and the success of the Jets market.. they want Hockey to grow in the USA....But seriously..Hellebuyck is probably the single best player in the NHL..Imagine leaving McDavid out of the "Kids these days" commercial,. Imagine leaving Crosby out of it.....
that's not an oversight...It's a hard slap in the face. One Helle doesn't deserve.
KCC
Registered User
no clue what you are going on about but the reason why he ppl don’t talk about him as much is because he’s been brutal when the playoffs hit. Good in the regular season. Done nothing beyond that. Pretty much bounced from the first round every time.
HFpapi
Registered User
Kind of weird career. Obviously an elite netminder but will likely win his 3rd Vezina this season but doesn't have that "all-time great" feel to him.
Maybe I've just been not paying enough attention. He's a sure-fire HOF'er at this point if (when) he wins that 3rd Vezina. If he holds on this season, he'll have his 5th season with a .920 or better sv% which is insane.
An all-time career that kind of sneaks up on you.
Maybe I've just been not paying enough attention. He's a sure-fire HOF'er at this point if (when) he wins that 3rd Vezina. If he holds on this season, he'll have his 5th season with a .920 or better sv% which is insane.
An all-time career that kind of sneaks up on you.
jokesondee
I’m not fat. I’m cultivating mass.
If he played in a "big city" he'd be on magazines and billboards.
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Toby91ca
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I think playoff success or lack thereof is even more magnified for goalies....that's probably a big reason the broader hockey community doesn't pay much attention to him.
With a star player that scores a ton of points, people notice, whether you are watching the games or not. People don't tend to notice great things goalies do outside their local market (not as much anyway). If that goalie goes deep in the playoffs and does it consistently though, more people notice as a lot more people are paying attention to your team now that wouldn't otherwise be watching during the regular season
With a star player that scores a ton of points, people notice, whether you are watching the games or not. People don't tend to notice great things goalies do outside their local market (not as much anyway). If that goalie goes deep in the playoffs and does it consistently though, more people notice as a lot more people are paying attention to your team now that wouldn't otherwise be watching during the regular season
Keystone
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Winnipeg fans are pretty fortunate to have him. I know he rubbed some people wrong early in his career with his camera staring stuff but he’s a pretty good dude when he lets his guard down. Superstar who praises everyone around him.
His 300th win was a beauty. Makes it look easy under siege at times. Hopefully he goes on a run this playoffs to change the narrative on him.
His 300th win was a beauty. Makes it look easy under siege at times. Hopefully he goes on a run this playoffs to change the narrative on him.
RickyLafleur
Fall of Pierre
So hes not an all time great but hes a sure-fire HOFer? It's a shame that Winnipeg implodes in the playoffs every time because he deserves a cup.
Skidooboy
Registered User
so why are guys like Swayman Saros, and Markstrom in the NHL commercial and Helle not? None of those guys have done much better in the playoffs either..
Leaving Helle out was a slap in the face
Voight
#winning
Given hes a near lock to spend his entire prime (and possibly career) in Winnipeg it all depends on how the team does. Good core right now but in a few years their better players will be on the other side of 30, and we all know Winnipeg isn't signing any top free agents to replenish what they lose so they'll have to continue hitting on their draft picks and developing them.
Blackhawkswincup
RIP Fugu
What would his win # be if ties were still around?
That is problem when comparing it to goalies of past to truly gauge his pace compared to past netminders
That is problem when comparing it to goalies of past to truly gauge his pace compared to past netminders
GrumpyKoala
Registered User
Kind of what OP mean.
Imagine Helle having the same media inflated hype train some guys like Carry Price had,
They would had him in the same convo as Roy and Hasek
Toby91ca
Registered User
I can't speak to the commercial, but if you are getting hung up on it you are probably giving it too much attention.
Did he want to do the commercial? Was he asked? I'm sure these are things you don't know. Stuff like this generally comes down to availability. The people producing the commercial likely went out to several guys and got what they needed and moved on.
Why Marchand at the end vs. someone else?
HFpapi
Registered User
I'm saying he clearly is an all-time great but doesn't feel like it or at least his ascent to this status was easy to miss. He wasn't omnipresent like a Roy or a Hasek or a Brodeur or even a Belfour or Joseph yet when you look back on his last 8 seasons he's right up there.
Maybe I just am not explaining myself well I just think it's weird to have a first ballet HOF in the league whose career kinda snuck up on you. He isn't spoken as highly about or as often about as other guys in the league who are no brainer HOF'ers.
I don't know how else to articulate it. Where he will rank all-time for goaltenders vs the "sexiness" of his name is out of wack.
That said, his playoff catastrophes probably explain it. Hellebuyck's regular seasons are as good as anyones in the past 35 years but Roy has 3 Conn Smythes, Brodeur 3 cups, Belfour a cup. Joseph stole series in the early 2000's (ask Sens fans) despite lack of deep runs.
Tralfamadore
Don't Panic.
Hell of a regular season goalie.
dirtydanglez
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he doesnt get respect because he's had multiple bad playoff runs, although i think the team in front of him deserves the same amount of blame.
Lafleurs Guy
Guuuuuuuy!
The only thing that's missing is postseason success. Great career. 3 Vezinas is HOF caliber.
But if you aren't winning in the postseason, it's a big deal. Fair or not, he's going to have to start winning in the playoffs if he wants to be considered in the 'all time great' category.
That being said, super impressive. He's head and shoulders above everyone else right now.
GreeningOil
Yarpmeister
Perhaps he declined?
GreatSaveEssensa
The Dark Side Of The Goon
He would much rather be fishing and with his young family on his off time as opposed to making commercials. Guy is cut from the same cloth as Big Buff is
Adam da bomb
Registered User
Maybe they thought he wasn't as good looking or convenience, or he turned it down. I think that the whole league respects him and if the Jets are ever able to get going and provide him the support he needs in the playoffs he would be considered one of the all time greats, which he is.
Grifter3511
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Location, location, location.
