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Legitimately don't know where to start when complaining about this lineup. There's about 7 diffferent things.
 
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Collins at DH and Tapia at leadoff while Springer sits? Is Charlie f***ing drunk? Is this because Collins and Tapia both managed to make contact with the baseball twice in one game?

I'm sure Springer could DH if you're that desperate about this rotation stuff. Or Biggio. Or anyone not named Zach Collins. The combo of Mr swing at the first pitch Tapia and let me hit this ball 5 feet off the plate Bo is just..no, bro. Vlad and Gurriel might have to win this game on their own.

That lineup is legitimately hilarious even considering Teoscar is injured.

Also betting in Ryu to go more than 5 at this point, especially with it being early seems Ill advised but the A's aren't exactly a potent lineup so maybe?
 
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Why is tilapia on this team?

Also, am i way off base or is Kirk a poor game caller. Like his decisions make no sense. Why not use that way outside strike to righties the ump was giving. Wtf?

Genuinely wondering re: Kirk.
 
Canada4Gold said:
Legitimately don't know where to start when complaining about this lineup. There's about 7 diffferent things.
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If it makes you feel any better I paid 250 bucks for me and my kids to watch it live. I had it timed for a Manoah start but stripling insert made it the useless Ryu. Tapia leading off should be reason enough to fire montoyo. I feel like Tapia has more games played than all the other outfielders. That Grichuk trade was bad in the sense that at least he’s decent and montoyo seems to love this useless player. Zimmer looked overmatched.
 
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If it makes you feel any better I paid 250 bucks for me and my kids to watch it live. I had it timed for a Manoah start but stripling insert made it the useless Ryu. Tapia leading off should be reason enough to fire montoyo. I feel like Tapia has more games played than all the other outfielders. That Grichuk trade was bad in the sense that at least he’s decent and montoyo seems to love this useless player. Zimmer looked overmatched.
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Congrats on the discipline shown to not run onto the field and assault the umpire, though I guess from the ballpark it would be difficult to see just how many terrible calls there were
 
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Congrats on the discipline shown to not run onto the field and assault the umpire, though I guess from the ballpark it would be difficult to see just how many terrible calls there were
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I was on the jays side in the 100 level and losing my mind. It looked like nothing but missed calls. I couldn’t see but the missed calls by the first base ump on the A’s half swings back to back had me lit. It’s really frustrating having the umps and montoyo working against us
 
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Ryu is becoming a problem. I get that you expect these deals to fall off towards the end but he wasn’t even good for 50 % of the contract (he sucked for the last 2 months of last year). We need him to at least be a 4.50 era guy that can go 5 or 6 innings. They can work with that but right now he’s unplayable.
 
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I was on the jays side in the 100 level and losing my mind. It looked like nothing but missed calls. I couldn’t see but the missed calls by the first base ump on the A’s half swings back to back had me lit. It’s really frustrating having the umps and montoyo working against us
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"Kids, don't tell your mother about any of the words I said today."
 
Julio Rodriguez is off to a slow start, but after another egregious called 3rd strike outside of the zone just now against Verlander, he has gotten screwed on 7 strikeouts overall.

It's like these umps want to be replaced by robots.
 
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Julio Rodriguez is off to a slow start, but after another egregious called 3rd strike outside of the zone just now against Verlander, he has gotten screwed on 7 strikeouts overall.

It's like these umps want to be replaced by robots.
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Well they are certainly making a case for it early on. It just seems incredibly worse this season.
 
So some positives on the pitching:

- Manoah, Gausman, and Berrios have all looked good to great thus far. Berrios predictably bounced back from the ugly start in the opener, Gausman's stuff has been nasty even if his numbers don't show it yet, and I absolutely love Manoah. His swagger/fire is the perfect fit for this team. I fully expect him to be the ace of the staff should the Jays get to the playoffs and then opening day next season. 3 guys like that is more than enough to take you far into the playoffs.


- Cimber, Garcia, and Romano have become a very solid back end of the bullpen. It's not 2014-2015 Royals good, but I feel comfortable with all 3 guys out there in high leverage situations.

- rest of the pen seems okay. Phelps and Mayza seem solid enough to rely on.

- Ross Stripling is Ross Stripling. Not great but I do think his utility does help out the Jays quite a bit.

- Ryu's seemingly downward spiral is pretty concerning. Drop in velocity, complete loss of control. The forearm issue is almost good news because that says there was something wrong with him instead of him just being that bad. I'm not going to give up on him yet, but at the very least you need to just think about what to do next if this continues.

- Ryu doesn't need to be "the guy" either. Obviously you expect more but if he can be a low 4 ERA guy with this team, I think that would be just fine assuming he can't find form.

- not enough data on Kikuchi. He signed super late, didn't get much time to in camp or to work with Walker (which is what people were saying he'd make a good signing) even if he got hit pretty hard in his first start.
 
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So some positives on the pitching:

- Manoah, Gausman, and Berrios have all looked good to great thus far. Berrios predictably bounced back from the ugly start in the opener, Gausman's stuff has been nasty even if his numbers don't show it yet, and I absolutely love Manoah. His swagger/fire is the perfect fit for this team. I fully expect him to be the ace of the staff should the Jays get to the playoffs and then opening day next season. 3 guys like that is more than enough to take you far into the playoffs.


- Cimber, Garcia, and Romano have become a very solid back end of the bullpen. It's not 2014-2015 Royals good, but I feel comfortable with all 3 guys out there in high leverage situations.

- rest of the pen seems okay. Phelps and Mayza seem solid enough to rely on.

- Ross Stripling is Ross Stripling. Not great but I do think his utility does help out the Jays quite a bit.

- Ryu's seemingly downward spiral is pretty concerning. Drop in velocity, complete loss of control. The forearm issue is almost good news because that says there was something wrong with him instead of him just being that bad. I'm not going to give up on him yet, but at the very least you need to just think about what to do next if this continues.

- Ryu doesn't need to be "the guy" either. Obviously you expect more but if he can be a low 4 ERA guy with this team, I think that would be just fine assuming he can't find form.

- not enough data on Kikuchi. He signed super late, didn't get much time to in camp or to work with Walker (which is what people were saying he'd make a good signing) even if he got hit pretty hard in his first start.
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The good has been really good. Gaus, Manoah, Gurrerro, Romano and the bullpen have been elite. We could easily be 7-2 if not for a couple Ryu implosions. Both games he got rocked were games we scored runs and should have won especially vs Texas when we were up 6-0. Even that 3rd game vs the yankees when Ardolis Chapman lost the strike zone was a winnable game. We could easily be 8-1 but at least 7-2.
 
Wait a minute, Jeff Nelson was the umpire for KC-TOR game 6? At this point I honestly have to start believing there is a vendetta going on
 
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