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Blue Jays Discussion: Confirmed: Vladimir Guerrero Jr is still good at baseball

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Interesting how teams just telling guys "just do your thing" instead of constantly trying to tweak their game ends up working more often than not.

Collins said his time in Chicago was miserable because it felt like they were always trying to "fix" something new with his approach/swing every other day. He gets to Toronto, Montoyo tells him he plans on using him for what he is rather than what he wants him to be and suprise surprise, the guy starts playing really well..

Iirc it was the same thing for Gausman too. Baltimore insisted he throw his crappy slider, he gets shelled, San Fran takes a flier on him, pitching coaches tell him to drop the slider and focus more on throwing his splitter and viola, he goes right back to being a frontline starter.

In part I also think why letting Bo swing out of his shoes is the right move. He doesn't need to tweak anything, he just needs to find his groove.
 
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WAR, whichever version you prefer, is a poor stat to use to evaluate relievers. Even over a full season of 50-70 innings, there just isn't enough data to make the metrics meaningfully accurate. Over the current 5ish inning sample sizes? Literally a waste of time to even look at these stats.
 
Blitzkrug said:
Interesting how teams just telling guys "just do your thing" instead of constantly trying to tweak their game ends up working more often than not.

Collins said his time in Chicago was miserable because it felt like they were always trying to "fix" something new with his approach/swing every other day. He gets to Toronto, Montoyo tells him he plans on using him for what he is rather than what he wants him to be and suprise surprise, the guy starts playing really well..

Iirc it was the same thing for Gausman too. Baltimore insisted he throw his crappy slider, he gets shelled, San Fran takes a flier on him, pitching coaches tell him to drop the slider and focus more on throwing his splitter and viola, he goes right back to being a frontline starter.

In part I also think why letting Bo swing out of his shoes is the right move. He doesn't need to tweak anything, he just needs to find his groove.
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Definitely. With Bo, he's been super frustrating so far this season, but the approach is part of what made him great the last couple years. He's going to have stretches where his timing is off or he's trying to do too much and it's going to look bad, but it'll come around and he'll settle in and be a star again.
 
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Discoverer said:
Definitely. With Bo, he's been super frustrating so far this season, but the approach is part of what made him great the last couple years. He's going to have stretches where his timing is off or he's trying to do too much and it's going to look bad, but it'll come around and he'll settle in and be a star again.
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Yup. He gets in his own head and tries to force the issue.

isn't the first pro athlete to do that and certainly won't be the last when they're slumping.
 
Blitzkrug said:
Interesting how teams just telling guys "just do your thing" instead of constantly trying to tweak their game ends up working more often than not.

Collins said his time in Chicago was miserable because it felt like they were always trying to "fix" something new with his approach/swing every other day. He gets to Toronto, Montoyo tells him he plans on using him for what he is rather than what he wants him to be and suprise surprise, the guy starts playing really well..

Iirc it was the same thing for Gausman too. Baltimore insisted he throw his crappy slider, he gets shelled, San Fran takes a flier on him, pitching coaches tell him to drop the slider and focus more on throwing his splitter and viola, he goes right back to being a frontline starter.

In part I also think why letting Bo swing out of his shoes is the right move. He doesn't need to tweak anything, he just needs to find his groove.
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I have 0 issues with Bo's swing, but man, his approach is dog shit, even when he's on fire. I remember hearing an interview of his this offseason saying that the only things that matter to him are runs and RBIs, and he doesn't plan on increasing his walks because it doesn't matter.

Pitchers have realized the dude can't take a pitch so why throw him anything he can hit? He'll swing either way. The guy has the ability to be one of the best hitters in the league with his bat control, bat speed, ability to foul off good pitches, etc. He's missing something that legit could hold him back though.
 
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Didn’t realize that Collins caught today. Might be looking at Gausman’s personal catcher.
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Well, he needs to hit for a lot longer than a few games before we award him that honour. Don't forget, a lot of pitchers are off right now.


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Pitchers have realized the dude can't take a pitch so why throw him anything he can hit? He'll swing either way. The guy has the ability to be one of the best hitters in the league with his bat control, bat speed, ability to foul off good pitches, etc. He's missing something that legit could hold him back though.
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That's "something" is experience. Don't worry, he'll get there. Hell, it's already impressive how good he is at extending at bats and fouling off junk pitches even Vladdy routinely swings through.
 
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Ray's k/9 innings is 6.05 so far this year. He's been double digits his whole career.

Last start his velocity bumped up somewhat hanging around 93 mph but still off his velocity from last year.
 
I would be willing to argue Gausman's splitter is one of the best pitches in the game.

It's one of those situations where if it's a 2 strike count, you can be damn sure you know what's coming and still can't do shit about it. One of those signature pitches like Sale's slider, Snell's curveball, DeGrom's fastball. Predictable, yet nigh unstoppable.
 
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I would be willing to argue Gausman's splitter is one of the best pitches in the game.

It's one of those situations where if it's a 2 strike count, you can be damn sure you know what's coming and still can't do shit about it. One of those signature pitches like Sale's slider, Snell's curveball, DeGrom's fastball. Predictable, yet nigh unstoppable.
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Based on Statcast’s run value it was rated as the 2nd best pitch last season behind Rodon’s 4-seam.
 
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Canada4Gold said:
Weird take. Romano was their closer last year as well. Sub Ray pitching 8 instead of Gausman, then Romano still pitches the 9th. The Jays pen blew a lot of games last year. Your starter going 8 wouldn't have been 1 of them.
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Romano wasn't the full time closer in April/May. Do you remember Dolis, Chatwood and even Castro getting save opportunties in the 9th inning last April/May? Dolis even had a blown save to Boston in May... Actually Romano didn't get his 7th save of the 2021 season until July 12th.
 
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Romano wasn't the full time closer in April/May. Do you remember Dolis, Chatwood and even Castro getting save opportunties in the 9th inning last April/May? Dolis even had a blown save to Boston in May... Actually Romano didn't get his 7th save of the 2021 season until July 12th.
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You forgot Merryweather, who broke camp as our closer :)
 
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