Comments and complaints about the Paris games

[babyshamble]

France and Denmark as hosts probably hint at the fact that new hosts will be coming gradually, but it has to be countries that are relatively stable participants in the A-division. Rather than Kazakhstan or Japan, I see Norway to be realistically the only next new host, possibly Slovenia after them, but I'll be honest to admit that I have zero knowledge on the arena infrastructure in both.

Norway had it in 1999 and it was not a success. There are no arenas big enough for the demands of the World Championships and the interest is not big enough so I don`t believe Norway is a realistic host.

 

[Tuoppi]

Norway had it in 1999 and it was not a success. There are no arenas big enough for the demands of the World Championships and the interest is not big enough so I don`t believe Norway is a realistic host.

I think it would work if there was one group in Oslo and one in Gothenburg, Copenhagen or even Glasgow if you are innovative. Maybe Norway is a bigger hockey country than it was in 1999.

 

[Xokkeu]

I think there should be more diversity. Games are always in Europe and in the same countries. Once in a while there comes a new host like Denmark. Games could be held in Canada and northern US hockey areas with no NHL teams and why not even Kazakhstan or Japan. There could also be new host cities in old countries like the Ural region and Siberia in Russia. Smaller countries like Norway and Hungary could co host with neighbouring countries.

They also want to make money. Only four non NHL arenas in Canada bigger than 10,000 spectators. US would be an extremely tough sell.

 

[Xokkeu]

I had a standing room ticket in Cologne for €16. Show up a little early and you get a nice action view spot at the glass right behind the goal. Can't complain about that.
The beer was like a fiver though, that's where they get ya

Lol 5 euros for a beer. At an NHL game they are $10 so can't complain.

 

[TorstenFrings]

I think it would work if there was one group in Oslo and one in Gothenburg, Copenhagen or even Glasgow if you are innovative. Maybe Norway is a bigger hockey country than it was in 1999.

I'd go Sheffield, if the went UK, but I have no idea which city even has a big enough arena tbh. London must have the arena, but that could easily end worse than Paris.

The should have looked at a possible Italy combo for Switzerland in 2020 though.

Overall I think they are doing a decent job of spreading it around among the top division teams (considering that NA would make no sense, if it means competing with NHL and AHL playoffs) and would probably jump on it right away, if Japan or South Korea established a foothold.

Germany, Denmark, Belarus, Slovakia, France. That's a lot of nations that used to be up and down between divisions all the time, which will have had it between 2014-2019.

 

[Tuoppi]

They also want to make money. Only four non NHL arenas in Canada bigger than 10,000 spectators. US would be an extremely tough sell.

Maybe some Canadians would come to northern US. They are hosting womens and junior games so why not senior.

 

[Slimmy]

Lol 5 euros for a beer. At an NHL game they are $10 so can't complain.

Made me chuckle as well

 

[Tuoppi]

I'd go Sheffield, if the went UK, but I have no idea which city even has a big enough arena tbh. London must have the arena, but that could easily end worse than Paris.

The should have looked at a possible Italy combo for Switzerland in 2020 though.

Overall I think they are doing a decent job of spreading it around among the top division teams (considering that NA would make no sense, if it means competing with NHL and AHL playoffs) and would probably jump on it right away, if Japan or South Korea established a foothold.

Germany, Denmark, Belarus, Slovakia, France. That's a lot of nations that used to be up and down between divisions all the time, which will have had it between 2014-2019.

I was thinking about distances with those venues but UEFA is going to organize European championships all around Europe and Eurobasket has joint games with Finland, Romania, Turkey and Israel.

 

[Jablkon]

I know, thats quite outside the box but what about New York? I mean some city where you can go for vacation? I can imagine it could work with good promotion. NHL wouldnt probably allow their arenas to host except Nassau colliseum.

Just for info - only czech hockey association earned 450 000 000 Kc (25 000 000 CAD)before taxes by 2015 WHC. Around 1 300 000 000 Kc went to municipal economy.

 

[Slimmy]

I know, thats quite outside the box but what about New York? I mean some city where you can go for vacation? I can imagine it could work with good promotion. NHL wouldnt probably allow their arenas to host except Nassau colliseum.

Just for info - only czech hockey association earned 450 000 000 Kc (25 000 000 CAD)before taxes by 2015 WHC. Around 1 300 000 000 Kc went to municipal economy.

And Swedish Fed lost, I believe, 4 million SEK on only the first of two joint WC's with Finland.

 

[Xokkeu]

I know, thats quite outside the box but what about New York? I mean some city where you can go for vacation? I can imagine it could work with good promotion. NHL wouldnt probably allow their arenas to host except Nassau colliseum.

Just for info - only czech hockey association earned 450 000 000 Kc (25 000 000 CAD)before taxes by 2015 WHC. Around 1 300 000 000 Kc went to municipal economy.

Nassau at the moment isn't an NHL arena but my god that would be a horrible place to hold a tournament for visiting spectators. The only way the US hosts is in college arenas.

 

[Xokkeu]

Maybe some Canadians would come to northern US. They are hosting womens and junior games so why not senior.

The juniors are always in a border town. I suppose they could hold a Saskatoon and Grand Forks tournament but still not sure it'd get enough Canadian fans like the juniors do.

 

[JackSlater]

Maybe some Canadians would come to northern US. They are hosting womens and junior games so why not senior.

The womens tournament barely gets any spectators and Canadians won't show up for the World Championships like they do for the juniors. The IIHF would be giving money away to host it in USA, so it is unlikely to happen.

 

[Xokkeu]

The womens tournament barely gets any spectators and Canadians won't show up for the World Championships like they do for the juniors. The IIHF would be giving money away to host it in USA, so it is unlikely to happen.

The women's tournament might be the rare instance where the US is the biggest national supporter of a hockey tournament

 

[Lepardi]

You westerners are all ****ed up I wanna see some value if I buy something for my hard earned money but you guys seems to throw it out of window for literally nothing.

You know people in Africa could easily say the same thing about you, when you pay their month's income to go watch grown men poke at a piece of vulcanized rubber on ice for two hours.

 

[Lepardi]

Lol 5 euros for a beer. At an NHL game they are $10 so can't complain.

At Barclays Center in February beer cost $13, if I remember correctly. Here in Tampere, Finland I pay 6.50€ for a small beer at a hockey game. And the average income is lower here than it is in Germany. So the Germans certainly have it good, when they think paying 5 euros for a beer is something to complain about.

 

[Xokkeu]

You know people in Africa could easily say the same thing about you, when you pay their month's income to go watch grown men poke at a piece of vulcanized rubber on ice for two hours.

Psh Africa. The average salary in Ukraine is $300 a month and that's a neighboring country.

 

[Xokkeu]

At Barclays Center in February domestic beer cost $11 and imported beer $13, if I remember correctly. Here in Tampere, Finland I pay 6.50€ for a small beer at a hockey game. And the average income is lower here than it is in Germany. So the Germans certainly have it good, when they think paying 5 euros for a beer is something to complain about.

Wow didn't realize the Avs were such a good deal getting a 20oz beer for $10. $8 for the small one.


I swear the Germans have been trying to make up for the wars by being the most obnoxiously perfect country since. Great transport system, great organization for events, cheap beer, no stupid beer laws, really underrated food.

 

[Jablkon]

And Swedish Fed lost, I believe, 4 million SEK on only the first of two joint WC's with Finland.

No offence but that first one was also one of the recent worse ones. That income from czech WHC is not standart and for sure CZ benefits from its geographic position and prices. Not many foreign supporters would travel for example to Saskatoon. But still that czech example shows that when you do good job around it, including marketing, everything, you can get decent income from it.

Also raising economy of former eastern block countries shouldnt be overlooked. Fifteen years ago these fans traveled max to neighborhood countries or in russian case to northern Europe. Right now you have arenas all over the Europe full of russians, czechs, latvians, hungarians, slovaks etc. There were even a lot of russians and czech fans in World Cup. I am not saying they would go anywhere but give them reasonable prices, enterteinment and smth to do outside of hockey and they would go even to North America imo.

 

[Xokkeu]

No offence but that first one was also one of the recent worse ones. That income from czech WHC is not standart and for sure CZ benefits from its geographic position and prices. Not many foreign supporters would travel for example to Saskatoon. But still that czech example shows that when you do good job around it, including marketing, everything, you can get decent income from it.

Also raising economy of former eastern block countries shouldnt be overlooked. Fifteen years ago these fans traveled max to neighborhood countries or in russian case to northern Europe. Right now you have arenas all over the Europe full of russians, czechs, latvians, hungarians, slovaks etc. There were even a lot of russians and czech fans in World Cup. I am not saying they would go anywhere but give them reasonable prices, enterteinment and smth to do outside of hockey and they would go even to North America imo.

Realistically I think Quebec and Halifax would do it again if Canada ever hosted. Or maybe Quebec and Hamilton.

 

[Jablkon]

Realistically I think Quebec and Halifax would do it again if Canada ever hosted. Or maybe Quebec and Hamilton.

I guess Quebec hockey fans would still take it as an opportunity to show hockey interest (unless they are certain they are next ones) and hold it in new arena would be nice. But with Canada winning basically everything now I am nnot sure how that would work now, especially when there was World cup last year.

I somehow have somehow soft spot for Saskatoon, but thats impossible

 

[Xokkeu]

I guess Quebec hockey fans would still take it as an opportunity to show hockey interest (unless they are certain they are next ones) and hold it in new arena would be nice. But with Canada winning basically everything now I am nnot sure how that would work now, especially when there was World cup last year.

I somehow have somehow soft spot for Saskatoon, but thats impossible

Saskatoon would be one of the only other places that could do it.

 

[TorstenFrings]

At Barclays Center in February beer cost $13, if I remember correctly. Here in Tampere, Finland I pay 6.50€ for a small beer at a hockey game. And the average income is lower here than it is in Germany. So the Germans certainly have it good, when they think paying 5 euros for a beer is something to complain about.

Sports and beer is a bit of a sensitive issue. When soccer clubs try raising beer prices, it is full on barricades and pitchforks from the organized fan clubs.

I am a bit amazed they seemingly (not a local, guessing by prices elsewhere) didn't raise the prices at all though. In Hamburg they always try to get away with that for national teams or concerts.

 

[SashaSemin28]

Sports and beer is a bit of a sensitive issue. When soccer clubs try raising beer prices, it is full on barricades and pitchforks from the organized fan clubs.

I am a bit amazed they seemingly (not a local, guessing by prices elsewhere) didn't raise the prices at all though. In Hamburg they always try to get away with that for national teams or concerts.

The last Schalke game I travelled to Germany for was the game after they announced raising ticket prices. The outrage in the bar I was at in Gelsenkirchen was incredible. (Think it was raised to 4€)

 

[AussieDave27]

The should have looked at a possible Italy combo for Switzerland in 2020 though.

I honestly don't see the point of splitting it between countries. You want to create a buzz for the tournament and splitting it in two doesn't help. Switzerland has an abundance of top quality stadiums (and won't even host it at its best one, Berne) and I see no need sending half of it to a hockey no name country.

I also am not sure why it only has to be at two stadiums? Particularly at a small country like Switzerland, why not spread it around a bit? Big games at big stadiums but why can't Slovenia vs Italy be hosted in a 5k arena? Packing that out would give a better atmosphere than a largely empty colosseum.