Estimated_Prophet
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At some point you should consider that your lack of coaching acumen is the problem.....
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The on ice performance improved. Those who were upset by the low quality of play have less reason to complain now. What is it that doesn’t add up for you?
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Feels kind of nice to have trusted the process. I didn't complain once about MSL especially when we started the season without Laine. I lowered my expectations when he got injured.
if you think this is a hot run, then you not watching the games. In fact, the dominating the possessions and that started even before the streak happened. However they were ddoing it in parts.
Since carrier trade, they have been doing it for a full game.helps when you play an nhl calibre d men instead of ahl baron
The minute Laine went down to injury i wrote this very thing. It agfected the entire lineup, why?
1- second line is now neutered
2- if second line is neutered, it squeezes the 1st line.
While injuries are a part of the game, for a rebuilding team with no top 6 depth (ie 3rd line that can spot fill) it was catastrophic.
MSL stuck to his guns - he wasn’t going to change their defensive coverage, the players would have to figure it out. I guess he was right in this instance in being stubborn.
salbutera
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Like he was right on not sending Slaf down to AHL last Xmas
Robidas said they made less grey back in mid-November, so they did made some changes without totally revamping their idea.
The Real Timo
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I so fuxking enjoy having Carrier in the back end instead of Barron. Kenny got this one right.
StCaufield
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not a chance. Spencer Carbery
Or maybe you’re having a bad day and taking it out on strangers on a message board. Didn’t know my opinion creates losses for the Canadiens. You’re a genius
People getting upset because I’m taking a months worth of good hockey with a grain of salt
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Good point.
If MSL keeps an 0.600 until the end of the season he will be an Adams Finalist then.
In any case you’re 100% right that we’re not out of the woods. The next few weeks are going to be fun no matter what.
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Yeah I’m super excited about what the boys can pull off. Hopefully Dach keeps it up. I feel like He’s been one of the key pieces missing. I’m sure everyone feels that way lol
Habs Halifax
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Some fans and media have too much time on their hands. Always looking for the next target in Montreal but what I like the most about our new management and players is there is no panic. I really don't think they care what the ignorant media and fans come up with.
Habs Halifax
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Expect more up/down points on the rollercoaster ride. This team is resilient but still fragile. What we have to learn (the hard way) is not to pump up the high points or deflate the low points. Stay humble guys and girls.
Lafleurs Guy
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I think it’s unfair to say Baron didn’t figure it out. The guy’s just starting his career and we just couldn’t wait for it. Developing blueliners takes time.
Lafleurs Guy
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Probably the lack of patience that was shown so early in the year.
This thread was created after game three…
Want to scream he should be fired? Cool. This is a message board and it’s where opinions are given. But if you’re wrong, you should also be willing to say it. You shouldn’t go into a gopher hole when things don’t go as you predicted they would.
Many of us thought we’d have gotten off to a better start. Many people including me, thought Dach would be a lot better. I was shocked at how bad we were. But I didn’t run away. I just owned it.
There’s nothing wrong with being wrong. Everyone is going to be wrong sometimes. But people cast judgement far too quickly here. Calling for MSLs head that early was silly. You have to at least have some patience.
None of us know the future. Maybe it’s a gong show the rest of the way. Maybe MSL gets fired and deserves it. But coaches and players deserve a bit of time to work through slumps. If you’re not patient enough to give them some rope, then it usually bites you in the ass down the road.
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The problem with Barron was he wasn’t improving. His development stalled and he’s just too much of a liability on the ice to be apart of the future core. I think management and coaches gave him all the opportunities they could in the seasons he was here.
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It’s a bit of both. We’re playing much better these days. That’s the result of a long stretch of improvement. A trend, not a streak.
But, we’re also really hot. We’ve won five of six and everything is going well. That’s not going to last.
We’re a better team than we showed when we had the 2-10 stretch and we’re not as good as the team that’s won five of six. We’re somewhere in the middle. I expected us to be consistently inconsistent and I expect that will continue. But you’re absolutely right, not all of this is luck. The team’s healthy and Carrière gave us much needed stability. That’s had a positive effect.
Lafleurs Guy
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Barron was in a tough spot. It would’ve been better for him to have had Carrier here to help him develop. There was nobody in the right side you could really develop and learn from. Ghule’s young himself and playing on the wrong side. Savard is a journeyman… and they had to make overtime for guys like Struble. Not a good place to develop your game.
So yeah, you’re right he was stalling out. We needed help back there and got it. But Barron may yet turn into something. We weren’t in a position to wait for him to find his game and badly needed help. But I don’t think that means that Baron won’t work out for Nashville.
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I have been critical of MSL at times...........I have also given him props at times........
He has been developing as a coach, similar to the team............now many people say the NHL is not a league to develop a coach, and really that is true, but in the case of MSL this dude seems so driven and focused going back to his playing days, and now his coaching days, that he seems to be getting more dialed in...............
Is he the right coach? Debate away, but I do think if he can get better, and challenge himself the way he challenges the team he has to work with, we should be fine....
He has been developing as a coach, similar to the team............now many people say the NHL is not a league to develop a coach, and really that is true, but in the case of MSL this dude seems so driven and focused going back to his playing days, and now his coaching days, that he seems to be getting more dialed in...............
Is he the right coach? Debate away, but I do think if he can get better, and challenge himself the way he challenges the team he has to work with, we should be fine....
Funnily enough the defensive coverage has changed : if you look at the center positioning in the Dzone in many instances he covers the slot which was not the case earlier in the season. This was a positive adjustment. In addition, they tend to keep one Dman close to the net in every situation whereas early in the season you could see Caufield trying to protect the crease. Another positive adjustment. He is going by the motto : "identify the mistakes, correct them but never admit them"
Dude...still?
Now it's because they didn't have another RD to learn from?
Savard a journeyman?
The guy has been a top 4 D in the league for a long time.
Make overtime for Struble?
The team got better when Struble came back from his injury and they scratched Barron. Barron only came back to ''showcase'' him before his trade.
Sorry, but that's a load of excuses and BS.
For some players, no amount of development will ever be enough.
Habs were very very lucky to get something for him.
They should've traded him long ago.
Lafleurs Guy
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He’s played around 100 games. He’s a work in progress. It’s way too soon to write him off.
And I absolutely love that you highlighted one sentence in my quoted post there and skipped over its actual meaning. In that very post I pointed out that people were far too impatient with MSL. Now here you are doing the same thing with a young player like Baron.
I agreed with the trade, we needed to make it. Barron was going to struggle under these circumstances- that is not an excuse - and he’ll be better off in Nashville. And we desperately needed help.
Will he make it or bust? I don’t know any than you do. But he’ll have more opportunity there than he would here.
