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Closest thing to Larry Robinson

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What's the closest thing to Big Bird we've seen in the league since he retired?
I'm thinking Pronger but I havent put a lot of thoughts into it , yet.
 
in terms of being a complete big man, yep it's pronger.

but the guy whose game looks the most like robinson's was rob blake. of course, it was big bird himself who taught him to hip-check like that.
 
His shadow?

Pronger and Blake are close but the Big Bird didn't have the mean streak of either guy and Blake was more of a goal scorer than Robinson as well.
 
His shadow?

Pronger and Blake are close but the Big Bird didn't have the mean streak of either guy and Blake was more of a goal scorer than Robinson as well.

Robinson may not of been as mean consistently as Pronger or Blake but everyone also knew not to piss him off either. That was an absolute no no.
Larry was tougher than Pronger and Blake put together.

As far as someone saying they would take Pronger's best over Robinson's best....I take Robinson hands down because obviously who ever said that never saw Robinson in his prime.
Either that or he's a Flyer's fan that is either A) Homering out because Pronger is on their team or B) Still pissed off that Robinson almost single handedly ended the Broad Street Bullies reign.
 
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Robinson may not of been as mean consistently as Pronger or Blake but everyone also knew not to piss him off either. That was an absolute no no.
Larry was tougher than Pronger and Blake put together.

As far as someone saying they would take Pronger's best over Robinson's best....I take Robinson hands down because obviously who ever said that never saw Robinson in his prime.

Yeah, Pronger is mean like a rattlesnake and extremely chippy and dirty, but Robinson was an ass kicker, most famously pounding Dave Schultz.
 
Blake is the closest thing but obviously not as good. I also like to state that I agree with the notion that anyone who says Prongers best is better than Robinsons best must not have seen the big bird play.
 
Blake is the closest thing but obviously not as good. I also like to state that I agree with the notion that anyone who says Prongers best is better than Robinsons best must not have seen the big bird play.

I saw the majority of Robinson't career, and while excellent, and a no doubt about it HoFer, I always thought he was a tad overrated. Some have him ranked as a top 10 all-time defenseman, I have him more like 15-20th.
 
Robinson may not of been as mean consistently as Pronger or Blake but everyone also knew not to piss him off either. That was an absolute no no.
Larry was tougher than Pronger and Blake put together.

As far as someone saying they would take Pronger's best over Robinson's best....I take Robinson hands down because obviously who ever said that never saw Robinson in his prime.
Either that or he's a Flyer's fan that is either A) Homering out because Pronger is on their team or B) Still pissed off that Robinson almost single handedly ended the Broad Street Bullies reign.

I have Robinson rated higher than Pronger and yes I have seen both play but the difference isn't as great as you are making it out to be either and Pronger might age better the jury is still out on that.

Also Robinson had some pretty decent help on the Habs in dethroning the Flyers for the CUP as well.

The 75 team was just plain stacked with excellent players and a very good group of supporting players as well.
 
Blake is a good comparison to Robinson but Larry was much better.

Robinson was also better than Pronger is as well. He didn't have that loose cannon edge on his physical play that Pronger has, but that cuts both ways. Sometimes I think it helps Pronger intimidate players a bit more but other times he takes boneheaded penalties. Robinson could play effective physically while staying between the lines.

They both had the benefit of playing with other great defensemen too. Robinson was obviously one of the big 3 but Pronger got to play with Mac in St. Louis and Niedermayer in Anaheim so he can't cry poor either.

EDIT - I just went to refresh myself on Robinson dropping the hammer on the Hammer. Good stuff.
 
I saw the majority of Robinson't career, and while excellent, and a no doubt about it HoFer, I always thought he was a tad overrated. Some have him ranked as a top 10 all-time defenseman, I have him more like 15-20th.

I have him as #8 dman all-time.

To me Robinson was just the better player at both ends of the ice than Pronger. Didn't hurt his team with bad penalties while being the shutdown dman and most intimidating figuring on one of the best teams ever. 20 years and never a minus for a season.
 
I have Robinson rated higher than Pronger and yes I have seen both play but the difference isn't as great as you are making it out to be either and Pronger might age better the jury is still out on that.

Also Robinson had some pretty decent help on the Habs in dethroning the Flyers for the CUP as well.

The 75 team was just plain stacked with excellent players and a very good group of supporting players as well.

Decent help? I'm not talking about the team being better, the Habs were always the better team. I'm talking about Robinson almost single-handedly destroying, no, obliterating the only advantage the Broad Street Bullies had.
Robinson pretty much ended the Broad Street Bullies as we knew it. They were never the same after he finally said enough is enough and put his foot down.
 
Decent help? I'm not talking about the team being better, the Habs were always the better team. I'm talking about Robinson almost single-handedly destroying, no, obliterating the only advantage the Broad Street Bullies had.
Robinson pretty much ended the Broad Street Bullies as we knew it. They were never the same after he finally said enough is enough and put his foot down.

If you are referring to Robinson beating Schultz, your exaggerations and factual inaccuracies have hit a new level.

Schultz and Robinson fought Feb 17th, 1974.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/fights/FightCard.aspx?Player=4031

The Flyers won the Stanley Cup at the end of that season and after the next. I fail to see how that fight obliterated and ended the Broad Street Bullies as we knew them. I guess the only sense that you are right about is that the Flyers weren't the same after that, they finally won the Cup. Twice.
 
I personally have robinson as the 10th or 11th best defensemen of all times. I have never seen earl siebert or king clancy play, but thier resumes are deeper.
 
If you are referring to Robinson beating Schultz, your exaggerations and factual inaccuracies have hit a new level.

Schultz and Robinson fought Feb 17th, 1974.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/fights/FightCard.aspx?Player=4031

The Flyers won the Stanley Cup at the end of that season and after the next. I fail to see how that fight obliterated and ended the Broad Street Bullies as we knew them. I guess the only sense that you are right about is that the Flyers weren't the same after that, they finally won the Cup. Twice.

I guess there is my answer.
 
If you are referring to Robinson beating Schultz, your exaggerations and factual inaccuracies have hit a new level.

Schultz and Robinson fought Feb 17th, 1974.

http://www.dropyourgloves.com/fights/FightCard.aspx?Player=4031

The Flyers won the Stanley Cup at the end of that season and after the next. I fail to see how that fight obliterated and ended the Broad Street Bullies as we knew them. I guess the only sense that you are right about is that the Flyers weren't the same after that, they finally won the Cup. Twice.

I guess if I was talking about the Robinson-Schultz fight in '74, you would have a point but I'm talking about the SC finals in '76 when Robinson dominated the entire Flyer's team physically and reduced their intimidation factor to zero on route to a 4 game sweep.
THAT was the end of the Broad Street Bullies and Big Bird was by far the biggest factor!

I also wouldn't mind knowing more about all these so called "exaggerations and factual inaccuracies" I have expressed.
That would be an interesting read.
 
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I guess if I was talking about the Robinson-Schultz fight in '74, you would have a point but I'm talking about the SC finals in '76 when Robinson dominated the entire Flyer's team physically and reduced their intimidation factor to zero on route to a 4 game sweep.
THAT was the end of the Broad Street Bullies and Big Bird was by far the biggest factor!

Yeah, I'm sure that was a bigger factor than Bernie Parent being injured. Or maybe Jarvis and Risebrough shutting down Clarke, which effectively shut down the whole line. Or maybe Chartraw and Bouchard being used at forward to match up against Kelly/Schultz. Or maybe Shero not being able to adjust to the strategies of Bowman. No doubt Robinson was a physical beast in that series, but your (constant) use of hyperbole is never supported by fact, and the Robinson statement is another example.
 
Yeah, I'm sure that was a bigger factor than Bernie Parent being injured. Or maybe Jarvis and Risebrough shutting down Clarke, which effectively shut down the whole line. Or maybe Chartraw and Bouchard being used at forward to match up against Kelly/Schultz. Or maybe Shero not being able to adjust to the strategies of Bowman. No doubt Robinson was a physical beast in that series, but your (constant) use of hyperbole is never supported by fact, and the Robinson statement is another example.

Rhiessan71 is not the only person to point to Robinson's physical presence as a major factor in Montreal beating Philadelphia. Ken Dryden, from The Game:

"We won the first game in Montreal, and were leading midway through the third period of the second, when Gary Dornhoefer, a tall, lean, irritating winger for the Flyers, moved across our blue line. From his left defence position, Robinson angled over to play him. In most arenas, when struck by colliding bodies, the boards whip obligingly out of shape, absorbing much of the force of the blow before whipping back into position again. Not so in the Forum. Forum boards are solid and punishingly unyielding, or always had been. Driving into Dornhoefer, Robinson hit him so hard that the Flyer's body dented a section of boards, leaving it an inch or so in back of where it had been just moments before.

"The game was halted, amid an awestruck buzz from the crowd, and for several minutes Forum workmen used hammers and crowbars trying to undo what Robinson had done. But when the boards were banged back in place, the impression remained. He had done it with such crushing ease: no cross-ice leaping, elbowing, high-sticking charge; just simple 'aw shucks' destruction, the kind that leaves behind the shuddering hint of something more to come. He had delivered a message - to the Flyers, to the rest of the league, to himself. A series that had been moving our way found its irrevocable direction, and we won in four straight games."
 
Rhiessan71 is not the only person to point to Robinson's physical presence as a major factor in Montreal beating Philadelphia. Ken Dryden, from The Game:

"We won the first game in Montreal, and were leading midway through the third period of the second, when Gary Dornhoefer, a tall, lean, irritating winger for the Flyers, moved across our blue line. From his left defence position, Robinson angled over to play him. In most arenas, when struck by colliding bodies, the boards whip obligingly out of shape, absorbing much of the force of the blow before whipping back into position again. Not so in the Forum. Forum boards are solid and punishingly unyielding, or always had been. Driving into Dornhoefer, Robinson hit him so hard that the Flyer's body dented a section of boards, leaving it an inch or so in back of where it had been just moments before.

"The game was halted, amid an awestruck buzz from the crowd, and for several minutes Forum workmen used hammers and crowbars trying to undo what Robinson had done. But when the boards were banged back in place, the impression remained. He had done it with such crushing ease: no cross-ice leaping, elbowing, high-sticking charge; just simple 'aw shucks' destruction, the kind that leaves behind the shuddering hint of something more to come. He had delivered a message - to the Flyers, to the rest of the league, to himself. A series that had been moving our way found its irrevocable direction, and we won in four straight games."

As did I, if you read my post. However, to assert that Robinson SINGLE-HANDEDLY OBLITERATING the Flyers and ENDED THE BSB AS WE KNEW THEM as Rhiessan did is just another example of hyperbole in an effort to make some point. Mine was that there were many factors why the Canadiens beat the Flyers.
 
As did I, if you read my post. However, to assert that Robinson SINGLE-HANDEDLY OBLITERATING the Flyers and ENDED THE BSB AS WE KNEW THEM as Rhiessan did is just another example of hyperbole in an effort to make some point. Mine was that there were many factors why the Canadiens beat the Flyers.

Yeah, I guess the majority of hockey resources and "experts" that generally attribute Robinson as being the single greatest contributor to the fall of the BSB's must be wrong :sarcasm:


(Overpass, nice call on the Game quote, I have my personally signed copy on my shelf ;) )
 
Yeah, I guess the majority of hockey resources and "experts" that generally attribute Robinson as being the single greatest contributor to the fall of the BSB's must be wrong :sarcasm:


(Overpass, nice call on the Game quote, I have my personally signed copy on my shelf ;) )

First, try to understand the difference in meaning between "single greatest" and "single-handedly," which is what you said. If you can't, I'll PM you to help.

Second, I'm interested to see this wealth of quotes on the topic, specifically ones saying that "Robinson was the single-handed contributor to the 'fall' of the Broad Street Bullies." My guess is that this is yet another example of you exaggerating without any factual basis. There were several factors, Robinson being a large part of it, but not the SINGLE ONLY SOLE REASON or however else you want to say it. Look forward to being proven wrong.
 
First, try to understand the difference in meaning between "single greatest" and "single-handedly," which is what you said. If you can't, I'll PM you to help.

Second, I'm interested to see this wealth of quotes on the topic, specifically ones saying that "Robinson was the single-handed contributor to the 'fall' of the Broad Street Bullies." My guess is that this is yet another example of you exaggerating without any factual basis. There were several factors, Robinson being a large part of it, but not the SINGLE ONLY SOLE REASON or however else you want to say it. Look forward to being proven wrong.




Fast forward to about the 1:00 minute mark

What Robinson started in '74, he finished in '76.
 
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