HockeyVirus
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Then why did he sign with the Sens who can't sniff the playoffs?
Value of: Claude Giroux now or at TDL
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Then why did he sign with the Sens who can't sniff the playoffs?
His and his wife’s entire family live here and he wanted to raise his kids near them. That’s why he signed.
If he does decide to waive his NMC and leave his family for a few months, it’d be to try for a long playoff run and cup, so why exactly would he pick the Leafs when he could just go back to Florida?
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ManofSteel55
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If he agrees to waive, he'll go to Florida or somewhere like that for a 4th round pick because he is choosing where he gets to go.
He has a good relationship with chief berube having played for him before. He'd be the kind of leadership the leafs have been looking for
Xspyrit
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Tarasenko returned two 3rd round picks in the end and Giroux is more valuable than Tank so he would return more than that.
So there's been a few people suggesting a 3rd/4th round pick...
Why would be worth that little exactly? He has a 0.86 PPG with Ottawa and is a 2-way + PK forward, Tarasenko is offense only
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ManofSteel55
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Because when a player has a no trade clause/no movement clause and gets to literally decide what team or teams they will go to, there is basically no value left for the team trading him. The team acquiring him will know that there are no competitors for him, and as such, they can lowball the Sens. The only decision they will have to make, is whether a 4th round pick is worth moving him at all, or if they would rather just keep him and not trade him. Some GM's certainly wouldn't take a late pick for a guy like Giroux, and would rather let the contract expire and lose him for nothing. Brian Burke is famous for believing that trading your UFA players for below market value damages the value of all future UFA trades you are making. Some others just want the best asset they can get.
Xspyrit
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yeah so that was the case with Tarasenko who still returned TWO 3rd round picks, as I already mentioned.
So again, why would Claude Giroux return less?
ManofSteel55
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Tarasenko was traded for a 3rd and conditional 4th, with 50% retention. Is it really that much different than saying "a 3rd or 4th"? Mid round are marginal assets regardless of how many there are, it seems like an odd argument to start. If I say he'll go for a 4th, and you say it will be a 3rd and 4th or two 4ths, then I wouldn't even debate it, because the amount changed is so minimal.
Xspyrit
DJ Dorion
Yes, "3rd PLUS a conditional 4th" is different than "3rd or 4th", yes because it's basically DOUBLE the value. Not sure why I have to explain that to be honest... It's simple maths
It's not an "odd argument" at all. You're saying a better and more valuable player is worth 50% of what the other was worth in the same conditions. That is the ODD argument lol
And if mid round picks were as marginal as you seem to think teams would not bother to trade for them. Good managements try to get as many picks as possible as simple as that.
John Mandalorian
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What about Washington? It’s in the East and has a few players that are his age range. Most of the other teams with older well known players are kind of fading out.
ManofSteel55
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I think you are focussing on the wrong part of this discussion and trying to pick a fight about it. I'll put it in plain language for you. It doesn't matter if it's one mid round pick or two mid round picks, the overall point remains the same - the team is going to get less than market value would typically dictate for a player like Giroux because of his not trade clause.
How is a conditional 4th nearly the same value as a 3rd? If 3 = "maybe 4", then the math isn't so simple, is it?
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stempniaksen
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G will handpick his destination at the deadline if he wants to go and the Senators will get an underwhelming return (similar to Tarasenko return). The only difference here is that Giroux could end up re-upping with Ottawa in the off-season because of the hometown factor but that so rarely happens it's not worth banking on. I can't see Staois even considering the move unless Giroux is the one to request it.
Wouldn't be shocked if this ends up being another Senators top-six vet going to the Panthers at the deadline.
Wouldn't be shocked if this ends up being another Senators top-six vet going to the Panthers at the deadline.
Classic Devil
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I'd love to have Giroux in New Jersey. Have always liked him. Would be a good add for a run.
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Why bother?
1. Respect the player's wishes.
2. Something is better than nothing.
3. If Ottawa is out of the playoffs, trading I've of their best performing forwards gives them a better pick.
HeadLiceHatty
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Always love Giroux for the years he gave Philly, he did his best but really just didn’t have the supporting cast. I hope he wins a cup, would be a great ending to a great career, shame he didn’t win that Hart in 17-18.
Xspyrit
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ok so just because I am quoting someone, I am picking up a "fight"?
You initially said "for a 4th round pick because he is choosing where he gets to go"
The evidence in REAL LIFE is that a lesser player last spring with lower value returned TWO 3rd round picks in the exact same scenario, yet you keep hitting that nail for some reason
The funny thing is that you're actually the one "picking up the fight" but are completely clueless about it
So now is it plain langage enough for you?
And regarding the maths... lol you basically already said that 3 = 3 + 4 but yeah keep them coming it's funny at this point
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He's already shown that he'll demand to only go to a single destination when he insisted upon Florida.
Tarasenko did the same last year and the Sens only got a couple 3rds for him.
Of course the Flyers managed to get Tippett and a 1st despite the same kind of limitations, so who knows what Giroux would get.
Tarasenko did the same last year and the Sens only got a couple 3rds for him.
Of course the Flyers managed to get Tippett and a 1st despite the same kind of limitations, so who knows what Giroux would get.
kanucks25
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Almost every contender would be interested if he was willing to move.
If he isn't picky about which contender exactly then the Sens should be able to get a decent return for him.
If he just picks one place then yeah it's tough. I wonder if in these situations the team and player can agree that the team is going to shop him around to drive up the price but will ultimately trade him to the team he wants.
If he isn't picky about which contender exactly then the Sens should be able to get a decent return for him.
If he just picks one place then yeah it's tough. I wonder if in these situations the team and player can agree that the team is going to shop him around to drive up the price but will ultimately trade him to the team he wants.
Wondercarrot
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lol, yes I’m sure super competitive likely Hall of Famer is just terrified of the playoffs.
What’s the pressure in TO? You get out of the 1st round and they’ll throw a parade.
