Value of: Chychrun to TOR

[PainForShane]

Hey there everyone,

Chychrun's finally healthy now maybe it's time we do another one of these. I'm a Zona fan (yes we exist) so am unconsciously biased to overvalue Yotes' players, imo most Leaf fans are nice / reasonable but unfortunately a few of the ones who post on the main boards come across like they are trolls which doesn't help actual discussion.

Anyway I'm really curious to hear neutral fans' perspective on this. Once Chychrun establishes that he is actually healthy (maybe 5-10 games from now) what value do you think Chych has specifically to the maple leafs, who a) have little cap space, b) have many D injuries, c) trying to win now? Keep in mind Chych is still only 24 years old, signed at 4.6m through 2025 and has no trade protection of any kind.

Also please keep in mind that Toronto may choose to address their D needs in other ways (to me a retained Klingberg would make a lot of sense), and I'm assuming that as reported LA and OTT are still at least kicking tires on Chychrun and compared to the Leafs most would say they have more (and better) prospects in their system incl a more attractive first rounder in 2023. Also wouldn't be surprised if Columbus gets in on this given Werenski's injury.

Anyway my point is both teams should have a few options to meet their needs, so you'd think a potential trade would be pretty even in terms of value.

Really curious to hear neutral fans' perspectives on what you think Chych's value would be to the Leafs specifically. Thanks!

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[Drive425]

If Chychrun can find his form and stay healthy then his value would be very high given his age/contract and the ask would likely be in the range of 2 1st round picks and a good prospect.

 

[Amadeus]

I'll do the following from Toronto's perspective.

1st '23
1st '24
Nick Robertson
Alex Kerfoot

Jakub Chychrun
Barrett Hayton
2nd '23

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I'll do the following from Toronto's perspective.

1st '23
1st '24
Nick Robertson
Alex Kerfoot

Jakub Chychrun
Barrett Hayton
2nd '23

The difference between that Toronto 1st and Arizona 2nd will be ~10-15 picks. Robertson and Hayton is basically a wash as young players. Chychrun is worth more than Kerfoot and a 1st in next years draft. And that's coming from someone who thinks Arizona's asking price has been too high.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I'll do the following from Toronto's perspective.

1st '23
1st '24
Nick Robertson
Alex Kerfoot

Jakub Chychrun
Barrett Hayton
2nd '23

 

[Petrus]

I'll do the following from Toronto's perspective.

1st '23
1st '24
Nick Robertson
Alex Kerfoot

Jakub Chychrun
Barrett Hayton
2nd '23

Definitely not a neutral fan.

 

[moosemeister]

 

[Petrus]

I have only watched a handful of Arizona games and I cannot remember if Chychrun play RD or LD? Can someone please comment? If he plays both does he have a particular strength or preference?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'll do the following from Toronto's perspective.

1st '23
1st '24
Nick Robertson
Alex Kerfoot

Jakub Chychrun
Barrett Hayton
2nd '23

LOL Yeah Arizona passes.

I have only watched a handful of Arizona games and I cannot remember if Chychrun play RD or LD? Can someone please comment? If he plays both does he have a particular strength or preference?

Chychrun is a LD.

 

[PainForShane]

I have only watched a handful of Arizona games and I cannot remember if Chychrun play RD or LD? Can someone please comment?

He's naturally an LD but he can play on the right. Much more effective on the left (ie that's the side he got his Norris votes from).

We've used him on the right for extended periods to pair with whichever AHL callup(s) we needed at the time, he looked ok babysitting defenders who honestly would've stayed in the AHL on any other roster. To answer your question though he can play both sides but is better on the left

 

[joepeps]

LOL Yeah Arizona passes.


Chychrun is a LD.

I dont think Toronto does this for another Injury prone LD D man. sorry, if ARZ get a package of 2 1sts and top prospect plus player... all power to them

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The last thing Toronto needs is a guy who plays 30 games a season.

Let someone else give up these crazy asking prices.

 

[kevsh]

LOL Yeah Arizona passes.

The asking price reportedly is a couple of firsts or the equivalent in prospects, so this offer isn't far off that if you cut out the extras.

Still think Arizona can get a better deal elsewhere (a team with likely higher picks than Toronto, for one) and I wouldn't do this if I was Toronto - Chychrun is too risky with his difficulty staying healthy and with all the blue line injuries the Leafs have what they need more than anything is an ironman.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Going to need someone to explain to me why the main boards keep saying the Leafs need to address their D. They have been and remain a top 10 defensive team all season, and outside of goaltending last year all other stats showed they were a top 10 team defensively last year as well.

The Leafs are not rushing out and overpaying a dman because they have a few injuries for a month especially when they have remained elite defensively even with these injuries.

The Leafs need help on OFFENSE.

 

[MoreMogilny]

Going to need someone to explain to me why the main boards keep saying the Leafs need to address their D. They have been and remain a top 10 defensive team all season, and outside of goaltending last year all other stats showed they were a top 10 team defensively last year as well.

The Leafs are not rushing out and overpaying a dman because they have a few injuries for a month especially when they have remained elite defensively even with these injuries.

The Leafs need help on OFFENSE.

A player that could help drive offense from the back end WOULD be a nice addition

But im firmly in the position that Arizona will want too much for a guy that has had a number of injuries and his on ice impact would be a big question mark moving forward.

Nice player, but the Leafs don’t have the asset depth to take a gamble here

 

[Petrus]

Going to need someone to explain to me why the main boards keep saying the Leafs need to address their D. They have been and remain a top 10 defensive team all season, and outside of goaltending last year all other stats showed they were a top 10 team defensively last year as well.

The Leafs are not rushing out and overpaying a dman because they have a few injuries for a month especially when they have remained elite defensively even with these injuries.

The Leafs need help on OFFENSE.

With Muzzin being injured (and likely never to play again) I think there is a need to patch up the gap.

I don’t think Toronto can rely on Sandin to fill in for Muzzin.

 

[HockeyVirus]

With Muzzin being injured (and likely never to play again) I think there is a need to patch up the gap.

I don’t think Toronto can rely on Sandin to fill in for Muzzin.

He's not. Gio is filling in for Muzzin and has done fine in that role.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

He's not. Gio is filling in for Muzzin and has done fine in that role.

For how long? Its not ideal for him to be playing 22 minutes a game when you want him fresh for the playoffs. I dont think I'd spend the assets it would take for Chychrun though. Realistically, you need a D and a F.

 

[HockeyVirus]

For how long? Its not ideal for him to be playing 22 minutes a game when you want him fresh for the playoffs. I dont think I'd spend the assets it would take for Chychrun though. Realistically, you need a D and a F.

I just think a F is more pressing need. I would love to add both but with the cap and assets it would take I think a forward is a bigger need

 

[Petrus]

He's not. Gio is filling in for Muzzin and has done fine in that role.

I am not convinced a dcorp composed of Reilly, Brodie, Giordano, Sandin, Liljegren, Benn and Holl is adequate for the playoffs.

 

[Soundwave]

I don't think Arizona is going to get the return on Chychrun that they think they are. His injury history is too much of a red flag to bring back the monster haul that I think they feel they're gonna land.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I am not convinced a dcorp composed of Reilly, Brodie, Giordano, Sandin, Liljegren, Benn and Holl is adequate for the playoffs.

I mean how many years do the Leafs need to lose in a row getting shut down offensively and only giving up a few goals before we realize where the problem is?

Teams like the Avs and Pens, who we are built like and play like, won because they had outstanding offensive depth that was able to outscore any issue they came into. Pens D was suspect, Leafs did is actually decent. They need a Kessel who can drive a third line and give them someone other teams are scared of

 

[Judas Tavares]

The Leafs simply cannot afford the current asking price, especially with the injury risk. Nothing against the player, the situation just is what it is.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Also Leafs need to exchange contract for contract as well on any deal.

 

[banks]

As a Leafs fan, I'd happily pay the price for Chychrun. He has 2 more years of term after this one. That's 3 playoff ruins. That's the window!

1st rounder and Knies for Chychrun, give or take a bit.

If Arizona is going into a deep rebuild anyway, is there any chance they'd retain a bit?