Value of: Chris Kreider
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Nabokov does rangers really need him if they resign Shesterkins ?
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The Rangers need cap space, and have worse players that make more money that are harder to move. If the Rangers move Kreider it’s not going to be a “hockey trade” it’s going to be for some combination of picks/prospects/ELC.
Rangers are going to move better players on more tradable contracts than worse players on anchors
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Trade Shesty to Colorado after Kreider to the Jets.
They may pay a ransom for him then.
Kreider is one of two Rangers vets with limited trade protection that could realistically be traded. Salary is reasonable, good possibility for a hockey trade. Zibanejad has a full NMC so any talk about trading him is hopium. Ditto for Panarin, even though someone here seems convinced that Rangers rivals will help them with their problem.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Might as well start trading everyone at that point.
We aren’t trading our best player and getting better.
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I have never believed in this group, so I'm ok with starting over.
This group is NOT good enough
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FiveTacos
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Yeah, Rangers fans hoping to trade Zib for someone like Zegras are just dreaming. A rebuilding team is not going to want Zibanejad. He's only of use to a current playoff team, but most of those either don't have a good young piece to give, or lack the cap space to take him on.
Kreider OTOH could bring a nice return. I imagine he'd be in much demand amongst playoff teams. If I'm a contender, I'd much rather be paying him what he's getting, than what you'd likely get for that money on the open market, and the term is reasonable.
I get the conundrum, it's not unlike what most teams face towards the end of their window ... when/how to start the reboot or rebuild. Gotta be careful not to end up on a slow slide into oblivion, and bottom out with a barren pipeline. So trading Kreider, while it probably ends any illusions of chasing the Cup now, could shorten their "downtime" in the long run and also help make the bottom not so deep. It's probably the right approach.
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Counter: Nugent-Hopkins for Zibanejad.Rangers need some oilers to bring back the glory days again. Saw Trouba might be available too?
Nurse (Messier+Lowe hybrid) + Nuge (wimpy MacT) for Trouba+Kreider. Money almost even. Rangers auto-cup win.
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My guess is they'd want a younger roster player and a very good prospect/draft pick. That they'll be also looking to fill a hole right now in their lineup. I don't see them creating hole without filling a hole or at least not unless they have someone in Hartford they believe is ready for the NHL now. That could be Berard but Berard could also still be premature. Getting a young D who's made it or is on the cusp of making it seems like it would be a thing for them either way though.
On the question of cap space.....for this year unless they intend to bring in a name player for prospects they don't need cap space. That's not to say that they don't have contracts that are biting them in the ass and a huge Shesterkin deal staring them in the face. However just moving on from Trouba (going into his final year next year) and Lindgren and Smith (UFA's this summer) would be more than enough to pay for Igor. I don't see next year's cap as a particular problem either. They will have to pay Kakko and Miller as well but the cap is going to rise again too and the rumors are that it will rise significantly.
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After this season Colorado and Rangers got salary cap problem
Colorado Can't resigned Rantanen with more money than Mackinnon and don't forget they got Makar to resign in 2 years.
YOu can't win a Stanley cup with Mackinnon @ 12.6 Rantanen @ 14 and Makar @16
Colorado Can't resigned Rantanen with more money than Mackinnon and don't forget they got Makar to resign in 2 years.
YOu can't win a Stanley cup with Mackinnon @ 12.6 Rantanen @ 14 and Makar @16
zib for zeg is unrealistic agreed
zib is a commodity w/cost, level of production/upside
as a commodity he may have value to lit. coupla teams
that needs to be explored
Kreider should not be moved absent crazy good offer
he is exceptional athlete, trains hard, likely at least 1-2 yrs after his current deal is done next yr, then maybe another yr or 2 as he faces 40 then
as long as he remains productive, and works w/us on discounted home team deal of around 5-ish
there is zero reason to trade
Rs should have listened to bern and extended their window by selling certain vets sooner
that said, once vets are rolled over we still have an open window and the faster we get youth replacement in, the faster it extends
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Thing is, I could actually see someone making a crazy good offer for him. Playoff teams have no problem spending that kind of money in the offseason on worse players in free agency, so he's a no brainer, and his term is manageable with no long term damage if it doesn't work out. If you're a team close to the Cup, that's the kind of guy who can put you over.
Well that's always the problem. It's not like there's a flashing warning light saying "window is now closed." Hard to convince yourself to take a step back for a year or two in order to extend a window for 3-5 years down the road.
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Probably fair to consider him a contemporary Owen Nolan.
Kreider is 33. Nolan was traded to the Leafs at 31. The Sharks got a first round pick in the year of the trade (Mark Stuart), a former first in Brad Boyes, and Alyn McCauley (4th round pick that was an everyday player but struggling to establish himself.
Three assets - A-/b+ prospect, future first, and a roster player with upside seems about right. Maybe adjust for cap world and the age difference.
Kreider is 33. Nolan was traded to the Leafs at 31. The Sharks got a first round pick in the year of the trade (Mark Stuart), a former first in Brad Boyes, and Alyn McCauley (4th round pick that was an everyday player but struggling to establish himself.
Three assets - A-/b+ prospect, future first, and a roster player with upside seems about right. Maybe adjust for cap world and the age difference.
just to be clear, my track record indicates I make these calls in close to real time, not way after the fact
but that is me
others are not as much ahead of the curve, arguably
FiveTacos
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That's great, but let's be realistic here, GMs are often subject to pressure to push forward, not take a step back even if the window is closing. They don't tend to make moves that give up on the Cup now but yield benefits 3+ years down the road, because there's a good chance they won't be the GM by then.
You as a fan ... it's a lot easier to make that call because, well, you ain't going anywhere, right?
