CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[Wieters]

Who knows what he thinks. Carey Terrance plays in the O and they’ve taken him multiple times. Musty is just not a very good kid, character wise. He’s a package.

I'm pretty sure I read a Sharks fan on this board saying that Will Smith, Musty's teammate, alluded to Musty telling Smith that he wished he had gone the NTDP --> NCAA route. So I was being rhetorical because Musty appears to have said it. It's also uncalled for to say that a teenager is "not a very good kid" unless you have actual information beyond the vague public reports.

 

[Trav]

Plante has landed in Portland Joel Plante has signed his WHL Scholarship & Development Agreement. Welcome to the Winterhawks Family!

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Has played in the BCHL this season and last. Anyone familiar with him?

 

[Hotbunz21]

NHL players on opening night roster from the 23-24 season

OHL	USHL	WHL
197	190	127

• Why is everyone acting like the OHL and the USHL aren't on equal terms with respect to talent?
  • on average right? Lets not being statistically illiterate and point to a bad US year (like this one...)
• I know the OHL teams are better in an absolute sense, but that's because they still have elite 18/19 yo in their league. But in 5 years all those 18/19 year olds will be in the NCAA (along with a handful of 17 yo) and all 4 Tier 1 Jr leagues will be feeder leagues for the NCAA.

 

[Bjorn Le]

NHL players on opening night roster from the 23-24 season

OHL	USHL	WHL
197	190	127

• Why is everyone acting like the OHL and the USHL aren't on equal terms with respect to talent?
  • on average right? Lets not being statistically illiterate and point to a bad US year (like this one...)
• I know the OHL teams are better in an absolute sense, but that's because they still have elite 18/19 yo in their league. But in 5 years all those 18/19 year olds will be in the NCAA (along with a handful of 17 yo) and all 4 Tier 1 Jr leagues will be a feeder leagues for the NCAA.

You say this as if its a fact when it is very much a hot take. There is practically zero chance this happens. NHL teams do not want this, and there is no groundswell for Canadian/European players to completely change up how they progress to the NHL.

 

[jtechkid]

Valentini and Croskery are obviously good. I hope we’ll see them both back in Ontario next year.

im shocked they are not back now ? maybe transfer fees ? Croskery having bad year - like minus 12- had not look good . granted , chicago is worse defensive team in league - gives up most shots - prob around 35-38 so issue can be with the roster but not sure why those two are staying on really weak team .

 

[Corso]

So at this point we’ve heard Misa is committing to BC, BU, Michigan and now Minnesota. Yet we’ve still yet to see a good 05-07 born forward commit anywhere. Luca Marrelli whose an 05 and a recent 3rd round pick of Columbus just signed his ELC today, and his type was what many thought would go to ncaa next year over signing elc’s. Most good prospects are still going to prioritize signing ELC’s over ncaa.

Misa hasn't committed to any program (yet) and I'm pretty sure that Cam Robinson's reputation took a hit, especially after being called out by Colby Cohen. Don't be to sure though that no high end prospect will commit. I still will bet money that a few will. My argument all along has been that there will still be high end prospects that will choose to go the NCAA route but don't expect the NCAA to become the de facto route.

I’ve heard that there won’t even be a NTDP U18 team going forward, strictly U17.

News to me. Look, I will tell you that there is a lot of tension within U.S.A. Hockey right now and there are some within certain sections that are calling for a review of the "program" but those voices have always existed and I don't expect any major changes to the way the NTDP operates in the near future.
The real problem right now is the USHL and keeping it a viable league. If the OHL does accept the bids from Youngstown and Muskegon (which will lead to Chicago and Green Bay joining the next year), the USHL will be crippled. That is not what USA Hockey wants and it is doing its best to prevent that. If USA Hockey gums up the process, causing the OHL to walk away, saying "well we would have loved to take you but USA Hockey is really digging in its heels on this so...", a firestorm will ignite within the ownership groups of the USHL consuming the league.
What needs to happen is that the OHL will work with USA Hockey to expand into markets that are not Muskegon and Youngstown while telling both those organizations that their bids to join were unsuccessful.
The USHL remains whole, the NTDP is secure within the USHL, and the OHL happily expands into American markets with the full support of USA Hockey. A win for everyone involved.

Valentini and Croskery are obviously good. I hope we’ll see them both back in Ontario next year.

Yeah, one was expected to leave but an exorbitant transfer fee made sure he didn't....

 

[Hotbunz21]

You say this as if its a fact when it is very much a hot take. There is practically zero chance this happens. NHL teams do not want this, and there is no groundswell for Canadian/European players to completely change up how they progress to the NHL.

Elite 18/19 year old NHL prospects should NEVER be on the ice with 16/17 year olds. It's borderline gross negligence in terms of hockey development.

It will become even more so once the avalanche starts and all the top 18/19 year olds are in the NCAA. The BIG10/NCHC/HEA will become so dense with NHL prospects its wont even be comparable to Jr hockey.

P.S. the fact the NHL has to wait till 20 to get their hands on these assets is wild.

• It's criminal the CHL has made 18/19 elite NHL prospects wait till they're 20 to play pro hockey. All so some old guy who owns the Jr team can make $$$ of them and fill seats. I can't believe modern NHL owners allow this to happen.

 

[Kingpin794]

NHL players on opening night roster from the 23-24 season

OHL	USHL	WHL
197	190	127

• Why is everyone acting like the OHL and the USHL aren't on equal terms with respect to talent?
  • on average right? Lets not being statistically illiterate and point to a bad US year (like this one...)
• I know the OHL teams are better in an absolute sense, but that's because they still have elite 18/19 yo in their league. But in 5 years all those 18/19 year olds will be in the NCAA (along with a handful of 17 yo) and all 4 Tier 1 Jr leagues will be feeder leagues for the NCAA.

If we do just NA players (since that's who most of us are arguing about) its

OHL-168
USHL-111 (Non NTDP)

 

[Bonin21]

No U18 NTDP team would be an absolutely wild turn for MN HS hockey, with teams getting guys back for their senior year.

 

[Kingpin794]

Elite 18/19 year old NHL prospects should NEVER be on the ice with 16/17 year olds. It's borderline gross negligence in terms of hockey development.

It will become even more so once the avalanche starts and all the top 18/19 year olds are in the NCAA. The BIG10/NCHC/HEA will become so dense with NHL prospects its wont even be comparable to Jr hockey.

P.S. the fact the NHL has to wait till 20 to get their hands on these assets is wild.

• It's criminal the CHL has made 18/19 elite NHL prospects wait till they're 20 to play pro hockey. All so some old guy who owns the Jr team can make $$$ of them and fill seats. I can't believe modern NHL owners allow this to happen.

How much money do you think a junior hockey team makes vs how much money big time university athletic departments rake in?

 

[Hotbunz21]

How much money do you think a junior hockey team makes vs how much money big time university athletic departments rake in?

It's irrelevant. There is no reason a 19 year old shouldn't be able to play pro hockey. The rule is for CHL owners, not for Canadian NHL prospects.

If we do just NA players (since that's who most of us are arguing about) its

OHL-168
USHL-111 (Non NTDP)

Bad take. NTDP counts... almost all of them go NCAA (which tells you they would've played in the USHL anyways). (honest to god... why would you say the NTDP doesn't count? lol It's always hilarious reading insecure Canadians try to say its doesn't count.)

• Kingpin794 Once again the real question is why would an 18/19 year old 1st or 2nd round pick play against 16/17 year olds?​

The best development path moving forward is the 4 tier 1 Jr leagues feeding into the 3 top conferences in the NCAA. I don't even see how this is a debate. In 5 years it will be the norm. It might take a year or 2 to get the ball rolling, but it will happen because the answer is obvious.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Look, I will tell you that there is a lot of tension within U.S.A. Hockey right now and there are some within certain sections that are calling for a review of the "program"

More sources I suppose?

 

[Corso]

More sources I suppose?

Believe or don't....no cares on my part

 

[Leviathan899]

Valentini and Croskery are obviously good. I hope we’ll see them both back in Ontario next year.

Yeah you’re right, they’re both very good. Hope they come to the OHL next season. I more so meant draft eligibles in the USHL aren’t all that impressive. Not really a John Mustard type or Sasha Boisvert.