CHL can now play NCAA - change everything !

[jtechkid]

it was widely reported last night that NCAA
will vote to allow CHL players eligibility to play college . this is biggest news in college hockey recruiting , junior leagues , players choices that ever happened - it could completely change landscape . my view is ushl will be hurt the most - i think all the top kids will head to CHL which would water down ushl - then everybody gets weaker / bchl / nahl ect . the other thing will be the college landscape - now all high end kids in nhl camp so they go back to junior team or head to michigan or BC play older kids for 2 years , also does college just now recruit lot of 19-20 year CHL kids - to me this hurts american hockey kids by far the most !

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[TheBeastCoast]

You might end up seeing more American kids taking a run in the CHL before heading to college hockey.

 

[jtechkid]

You might end up seeing more American kids taking a run in the CHL before heading to college hockey.

yes - and for the NHL draft year they will say they want kids all in same leagues in general - plus CHL team location - money - fans are dramatically better than ushl teams .

 

[WarriorofTime]

You might end up seeing more American kids taking a run in the CHL before heading to college hockey.

This is only for aged 20+ players thus far. Those are generally non nhl prospects or long shot undrafted players. You’ll likely see a good amount of players still opting for the ushl in order to be eligible to play in ncaa by age 18. The ushl proper is already producing more draft picks than the QMJHL these days.

I would not expect the USNTDP to be impacted at all. The biggest impact is likely on Canadian Junior A which is pretty cooked at this point.

 

[jtechkid]

plus already had two Ushl tenders leave this year . morin( youngstown) - sawchyn( steel ) leave already and was rumor i hear that Michigan told top 2008 canada kid play CHL instead of ushl - so it’s heating up

 

[Hockeyville USA]

This is only for aged 20+ players thus far. Those are generally non nhl prospects or long shot undrafted players. You’ll likely see a good amount of players still opting for the ushl in order to be eligible to play in ncaa by age 18. The ushl proper is already producing more draft picks than the QMJHL these days.

I would not expect the USNTDP to be impacted at all. The biggest impact is likely on Canadian Junior A which is pretty cooked at this point.

We'll see if the CHL Standard Player Agreement gets reworked/ripped up and how many years they require guys to play there before they move on to pro or university. NHL will definitely have some influence and the CHL-NHL Agreement will look entirely different. We'll see how many CHLers move straight to pro or if a sizable number move to the NCAA in this new world.

 

[DJJones]

If it's for 20+ not a big deal. Was thinking if they could go to the NCAA before AHL, the CHL would be in trouble.

 

[Breakers]

There is limits on international recruiting for non-head count sports assuming they aren’t American

Some are self imposed
Considering The total number of division 1 programs

Not as big as you think

I do find it funny some scrub from the tri-city Americans was the first goalie to sue the NCAA.
The only response should have been this guy couldn’t stop a franking nose-bleed in the WHL and he is entitled to an NCAA roster spot?

Also under your example of kids just going to Michigan and BC LOl like they are picking off a menu. That’s not the way this works.

 

[Corso]

plus already had two Ushl tenders leave this year . morin( youngstown) - sawchyn( steel ) leave already and was rumor i hear that Michigan told top 2008 canada kid play CHL instead of ushl - so it’s heating up

Was told that the MIchigan has already sent recruiters to scout CHL games and has made overtures to certain CHL teams in terms of "parking" players. Was also told that the reception of said CHL teams was less than enthusiastic to those overtures. It seems that the CHL does not see its self a a future feeder league to the NCAA ala the USHL.

We'll see if the CHL Standard Player Agreement gets reworked/ripped up and how many years they require guys to play there before they move on to pro or university. NHL will definitely have some influence and the CHL-NHL Agreement will look entirely different. We'll see how many CHLers move straight to pro or if a sizable number move to the NCAA in this new world.

That agreement will change in time as players and agents will demand it. The CHL, however, will do everything in its power to attract, retain and steer top prospects away from the NCAA. Everyone is forgetting that a sizable amount of money is distributed from the NHL to the CHL for player development. The CHL will not want to lose that money.

 

[jtechkid]

There is limits on international recruiting for non-head count sports assuming they aren’t American

Some are self imposed
Considering The total number of division 1 programs

Not as big as you think

I do find it funny some scrub from the tri-city Americans was the first goalie to sue the NCAA.
The only response should have been this guy couldn’t stop a franking nose-bleed in the WHL and he is entitled to an NCAA roster spot?

Also under your example of kids just going to Michigan and BC LOl like they are picking off a menu. That’s not the way this works.

i guess my point with ushl - why wouldn’t all the canadian kids stay home - they would . that’s some high end players - celebrini - fantallli— then got canada kids in ushl bchl now can have a choice now and next year what they want to do - plus high end swedes - czech - they played ushl because they wanted go college so dynamics completely changed regarding junior hockey and college . then you get college - Arizona state just recruited chl player last month so dynamics changing on college recruiting from CHL . i

Was told that the MIchigan has already sent recruiters to scout CHL games and has made overtures to certain CHL teams in terms of "parking" players. Was also told that the reception of said CHL teams was less than enthusiastic to those overtures. It seems that the CHL does not see its self a a future feeder league to the NCAA ala the USHL.



That agreement will change in time as players and agents will demand it. The CHL, however, will do everything in its power to attract, retain and steer top prospects away from the NCAA. Everyone is forgetting that a sizable amount of money is distributed from the NHL to the CHL for player development. The CHL will not want to lose that money.

great point - lot of nuances like that i’m not aware of .

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think this’ll take some time. This hasn’t even been approved yet. Even if it becomes approved, who is becoming the guinea pig for something there’s no precedent for?

I’m thinking at best this starts taking a few years before any of the effects are anything noticeable.

 

[WarriorofTime]

i guess my point with ushl - why wouldn’t all the canadian kids stay home - they would . that’s some high end players - celebrini - fantallli—

Tender system. Many CHL orgs are Mickey Mouse

 

[Corso]

I think this’ll take some time. This hasn’t even been approved yet. Even if it becomes approved, who is becoming the guinea pig for something there’s no precedent for?

I’m thinking at best this starts taking a few years before any of the effects are anything noticeable.

From everything I read and been hearing, approval is a formality and it is a done deal. You are 100% correct in that the reverberations of this massive change to the prospect landscape will take some time to figure out. The immediate effect will be fewer high end 09 born players "defecting" from the CHL and a bit more elite U.S. born players opting to play in the OHL/WHL.

 

[Breakers]

i guess my point with ushl - why wouldn’t all the canadian kids stay home - they would . that’s some high end players - celebrini - fantallli— then got canada kids in ushl bchl now can have a choice now and next year what they want to do - plus high end swedes - czech - they played ushl because they wanted go college so dynamics completely changed regarding junior hockey and college . then you get college - Arizona state just recruited chl player last month so dynamics changing on college recruiting from CHL . i

great point - lot of nuances like that i’m not aware of .

Chicago steel are maybe the best developing organization in North America right now

Fantilli
Celebrini
Power

They are producing high end prospects becuase they prepare kids like nobody else

I may agree with you about the ushl
But Chicago steel are next level and better than most of the CHL at development

 

[wetcoast]

Chicago steel are maybe the best developing organization in North America right now

Fantilli
Celebrini
Power

They are producing high end prospects becuase they prepare kids like nobody else

I may agree with you about the ushl
But Chicago steel are next level and better than most of the CHL at development

This list shows elite prospects going there and the Steel might be very good at development but this list doesn't prove anything in itself does it?

 

[Breakers]

This list shows elite prospects going there and the Steel might be very good at development but this list doesn't prove anything in itself does it?

all of those prospects have said that organization is next level in terms of anything they looked at.

How does a list of prospects developed very well not prove anything in of itself?
Corronato
Sameskovich
Brisson

etc etc

They produce 1st round prospects, nobody else has done anything even close to that production

 

[wetcoast]

all of those prospects have said that organization is next level in terms of anything they looked at.

How does a list of prospects developed very well not prove anything in of itself?
Corronato
Sameskovich
Brisson

etc etc

They produce 1st round prospects, nobody else has done anything even close to that production

It's about the supply of the quality of players coming into their system, other programs just don't have the same type of access due to league drafts and rules.

Also like I said in my previous post do you really think Fantilli,Celebrini or Power wouldn't have developed as well elsewhere?

I get that some people like to have this discussion but it's also kind of pointless as good players are developed everywhere and most of it is on the player.

 

[Breakers]

It's about the supply of the quality of players coming into their system, other programs just don't have the same type of access due to league drafts and rules.

Also like I said in my previous post do you really think Fantilli,Celebrini or Power wouldn't have developed as well elsewhere?

I get that some people like to have this discussion but it's also kind of pointless as good players are developed everywhere and most of it is on the player.

Well I trust the player saying it helped them immensely

That’s the difference

 

[wetcoast]

Well I trust the player saying it helped them immensely

That’s the difference

Like really what is any player going to say?

I can find the same thing for any top draft pick in the recent NHL saying how beneficial (insert program here) was to their development.

 

[57special]

Am i the only one who thinks that this is a nothingburger, unless the NCAA also allows players who have signed Pro contracts. Until that happens, then I don't see this changing the landscape of junior, college, or pro hockey much.

 

[Breakers]

Like really what is any player going to say?

I can find the same thing for any top draft pick in the recent NHL saying how beneficial (insert program here) was to their development.

and how many have produced that number of high end talent?
thats what I thought.

They interviewed these programs and said it changed their mind on how they develop players

ill take their advice and results

 

[WarriorofTime]

Am i the only one who thinks that this is a nothingburger, unless the NCAA also allows players who have signed Pro contracts. Until that happens, then I don't see this changing the landscape of junior, college, or pro hockey much.

I think until this impacts anyone other than 20+ year old (presently) USports bound players, you’re likely correct from an nhl prospect standpoint. The top pro prospects that want to play college hockey aren’t going to be waiting around for their junior eligibility to expire. There is of course an overall large effect on the landscape of ncaa hockey and the more downstream junior leagues. It would be great if this somehow spurred more ncaa D1 teams generally.

 

[Fatass]

Lots of guys will play CHL and then instead of going to the AHL (for further development after being drafted) they will go the US college route. Play a couple years in college, sign their elc, and step into the big club at 22/23. The top end guys will not be impacted but most players need to develop into their early 20’s before becoming regular NHLers.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Lots of guys will play CHL and then instead of going to the AHL (for further development after being drafted) they will go the US college route.

Intersection of cba reserve list and ncaa restrictions on players with existing nhl contracts will impact that.

 

[jtechkid]

guess my point on chicago steel- others - is by rule if they wanted to play college the route was ushl - didn’t have any choice . that rule is gone - now they have a choice . so

I think until this impacts anyone other than 20+ year old (presently) USports bound players, you’re likely correct from an nhl prospect standpoint. The top pro prospects that want to play college hockey aren’t going to be waiting around for their junior eligibility to expire. There is of course an overall large effect on the landscape of ncaa hockey and the more downstream junior leagues. It would be great if this somehow spurred more ncaa D1 teams generally.

the big question how many more canada kids from CHL will head to usa college rosters - not lot of div 1 college teams so interesting to see big impact on American kids - or it looks negative for American kids just no how big it will -