Proposal: Change of scenery: Comtois for Kapanen +
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Agree that Pitt adds. Comtois is an RFA after this season. Kapanen has another year of term and makes over $1mm more per year. So AAV and term dont match. I think Pitt adds at least a 2nd rounder to this. And maybe a B level prospect.
Gurglesons
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while I don’t disagree with you that they both need a change of scenery I don’t think the Ducks want any part of another year with Kap. I’m think they both get traded for picks or straight up hockey trade to a contending team.
Posted this before but Kap for Kerfoot might make sense if the TML brass feels confident Kap can be a force on our third line. As for Comtois, would also like to see what he would look like on our third line too but I have no idea how he plays as I never get a chance to see him play.
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Empoleon8771
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I would do Kapanen and a 2nd or 3rd for Comtois, but I wouldn't go any more expensive than that.
People grossly overstate the negative value some players have in the NHL, especially considering the cap is projected to sharply rise in the near future. I think guys like Kapanen and Kerfoot fall more in the "Dickinson" type of negative value, where they're traded with a plus to get a decent asset back. It won't be a Kassian style trade where the team has to trade a 2nd and 3rd just to get out of their deals, they'll be adding a 2nd or so but they'll be getting something halfway decent in return.
Kapanen and a 2nd for Comtois seems fairly similar on paper to Dickinson and a 2nd for Stillman, so I think that looks reasonable.
People grossly overstate the negative value some players have in the NHL, especially considering the cap is projected to sharply rise in the near future. I think guys like Kapanen and Kerfoot fall more in the "Dickinson" type of negative value, where they're traded with a plus to get a decent asset back. It won't be a Kassian style trade where the team has to trade a 2nd and 3rd just to get out of their deals, they'll be adding a 2nd or so but they'll be getting something halfway decent in return.
Kapanen and a 2nd for Comtois seems fairly similar on paper to Dickinson and a 2nd for Stillman, so I think that looks reasonable.
Empoleon8771
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Literally has zero relevance to the point I was making. Talk about a nitpick.
The point I was making is that Kapanen is more comparable to Dickinson than he is to Kassian.
Ummm. Not really. Kapenan is negative value as an overpaid, healthy scratch with another year on his deal. He’s barely an NHL caliber player right now. That 2024 contract expiration date is a real problem.
Empoleon8771
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Wow, good thing that Dickinson didn't have term left on his deal! Wait....
You've been in multiple Kapanen threads trying to shit talk Kapanen and talk down his value. You obviously have some sort of axe to grind here.
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Gurglesons
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Kapanen has out produced Comtois every single year from a point per game stand point. You’d honestly be getting the better player and we’d probably waive Comtois by the end of the year and you could have them both.
Hes actually pretty fair in his criticism of players from all teams.
Dirk316
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Team and line mates make a difference
Either way like Pittsburgh the Ducks are one of the softest teams in the league. Comtois is the closest thing to a power forward this team has and was just starting to heat up. Definitely a bad trade for Anaheim.
DavidBL
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Comtois has looked much better this year and is only not playing due to an undisclosed injury. Not really interested in moving him right now unless it's part of a deal for a real upgrade.
He’s a healthy scratch. Dude has no value. Not hard to see this. And he’s overpaid for next season too. That’s the real kicker. He’s not even a rental. You have to allocate for a bad contract next year too. Why would any team sign up for that year by trading a cheaper, younger player they can let go this offseason if necessary.
I don’t care about Pitt one way or another, but I can call balls and strikes on bad contracts. This is one.
Kapenan is a poor man’s JT Compher. Great skater with a completely hollow, low IQ game outside of his wheels.
Pitt should waive him and hope he gets claimed. I doubt think he would.
That Pitt traded 1sts for him and Zucker is a real inditement on your pro scouts. That was two big whiffs.
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Empoleon8771
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And he's be in your top-6 because he's better than any other RW outside of Hyman on the Oilers roster.
Again, you keep saying this stuff as if it doesn't entirely apply to Dickinson as well. When Dickinson was traded, he had 2 years at $2.65 million left and had 11 points in 62 games the year before. The Canucks traded him with a 2nd for a decent depth defenseman in Stillman. Acting like Kapanen has some sort of negative value akin to Nemeth or Kassian is just completely wrong and dumb, when Dickinson is a much more appropriate comparison.
No matter how many times you try to paint Kapanen as this Kassian caliber dump, he's not that.
So there you go. Trade Kapanen + a 2nd and you’ve got your deal for some depth Dman at Stillman’s level.
I could totally see that being a realistic trade.
So that’s your deal here. Comtois for Kapanen + Pitts 2023 2nd.
And let’s not get hyperbolic on Kapanen. Pitt isn’t really a playoff caliber team. Fringe playoff team at best. It’s a club with no depth and a great core, but one that’s also well past its contention window. Your players, especially your healthy scratches, aren’t better than bottom six players on most teams. The Pitt players are worse. Like the Pittsburgh team they play for.
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Empoleon8771
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That's the exact deal I posted above
Lol an Oilers fans saying another team has bad depth.
Gurglesons
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That's the exact deal I posted above
Lol an Oilers fans saying another team has bad depth.
McJedi is an Avs fan.
McDonald19
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Not interested in a Comtois change of scenery trade right now. Particularly not if the Ducks end up older and softer.
The oilers also lack depth. Kapanen is still a negative value contract and that has nothing to do with Edmonton. His trade value is hurt by fact his deal still has another season past this one.That's the exact deal I posted above
Lol an Oilers fans saying another team has bad depth.
No team wants to waste $3.2mm of cap space on a hollow winger they’ll likely need to scratch frequently. That’s a really expensive healthy scratch. It’s also too expensive for a 4th line role. There are better players making league min on one year deals.
So add your 2nd rounder and dump him on a team that wants the pick. No one will want this player for his AAV unless they can trade back their own bad contract that runs thru 2023-24.
Or you can continue to pretend Kapanen has trade value. Whatever suits you is fine with me. But I’m not going to play pretend along with you.
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It's been suggested before by others and it's one I've parrotted a couple of times.
I think both are pretty close in actual value but age and contract obviously go to Comtois so I agree the Penguins add a bit but not much. I wouldn't add a 2nd + prospect. Comtois is not worth 3 assets unless it's like a 6th and no-name.
I would suggest Comtois for Kapanen+3rd. If they want it kicked up to a 2nd, then Anaheim kicks back a 3rd or adds a prospect.
The problem I see for Ducks fans here, is that, like Kapanen, Comtois just doesn't have that much value right now. The Kapanen+2nd+prospect is not what Comtois's value is. It's just not. We have a wealth of trade history to show that it isn't. And yes, I get that Comtois has a productive history and could pick it back up but guess what, so could Kapanen. The real question is what is the extra year worth? I don't think it's worth a 2nd to be honest. A 3rd, sure but only because I would like to do the trade.
In reality, both are probably worth a 4th round pick.
I think both are pretty close in actual value but age and contract obviously go to Comtois so I agree the Penguins add a bit but not much. I wouldn't add a 2nd + prospect. Comtois is not worth 3 assets unless it's like a 6th and no-name.
I would suggest Comtois for Kapanen+3rd. If they want it kicked up to a 2nd, then Anaheim kicks back a 3rd or adds a prospect.
The problem I see for Ducks fans here, is that, like Kapanen, Comtois just doesn't have that much value right now. The Kapanen+2nd+prospect is not what Comtois's value is. It's just not. We have a wealth of trade history to show that it isn't. And yes, I get that Comtois has a productive history and could pick it back up but guess what, so could Kapanen. The real question is what is the extra year worth? I don't think it's worth a 2nd to be honest. A 3rd, sure but only because I would like to do the trade.
In reality, both are probably worth a 4th round pick.
I like reading replies like this and then going and reading threads on Jesse Puljujarvi.
