Chances Hedman and or Karlsson Reaches 1 000 Career Points

[LightningStorm]

8 defensemen in NHL history have scored at least 1,000 career points. As of when this post was made, Karlsson has 849 points, and Hedman 768, with both being 34 (Karlsson is 6 months older). How do you rate each of their chances at reaching 1,000 points?

 

[CanadienShark]

I really have no clue. Karlsson seems like the safer bet of the two. I'm surprised there's such a big gap.

 

[CaptainShark]

2/3 of that gap can be traced back to 22/23

 

[norrisnick]

With EK, it's a question of does he stay in Pittsburgh for the duration of his contract and what happens after. It's weird, that even with him being closer I still feel a bit less confident.

Hedman's situation is a bit more predictable, barring Kucherov bailing after his contract. But if Hedman stays reasonably healthy and on that PP, he should get there by the end of his contract.

 

[Hallonbroder]

None of em will get there. Karlsson’s so inconsistent and plays on a really bad team, while I think Herman’s a bit too far away

 

[BoHorvat 53]

None of em will get there

151 points for Erik Karlsson is a lock barring some catastrophic injury.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

151 points for Erik Karlsson is a lock barring some catastrophic injury.

When you put it like that you’ve done the math for me, and I gotta agree.

 

[karltonian]

karlsson should easily

 

[Pavels Dog]

Kind of depends on whether Hedman is healthy and wants to keep playing after his current contract. He'll probably need at least 1 more year after his current contract to get there. Maybe 2 or 3 if he misses games or his production declines.

Karlsson should be a lock, I agree.

 

[qc14]

151 points for Erik Karlsson is a lock barring some catastrophic injury.

I mean can/does he want to play after his current contract ends? Don't think he's going to score at a 70 point pace the last two years of his current deal so he would need at least one or two more. Definitely probable but I wouldn't say it's an absolute lock.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Karlsson maybe if he wants to continue his career. I think Hedman has a ok shot, think he’ll age very well.

 

[JoVel]

Kucherov has two more years in his deal, and as long as he is with the Lightning, Hedman should have at least a couple of seasons left averaging at around 60 points. Then it depends on how healthy he is at 36-37

 

[Shark Finn]

50/50 either they do or don't

 

[blankall]

Even if both got it, their totals will be easily surpassed by this next generation of defensemen. Star dmen scoring at a PPG won't be all that uncommon going forward. Wouldn't be surprised to see Quinn Hughes hit 1200.

 

[NVious]

Hutson gets there before both of them.

 

[banks]

Even if both got it, their totals will be easily surpassed by this next generation of defensemen. Star dmen scoring at a PPG won't be all that uncommon going forward. Wouldn't be surprised to see Quinn Hughes hit 1200.

Indeed, why discuss anything impressive or interesting that's actually happening now? It's more fun to future watch what might potentially happen years from now.

Why stop there? Even if this next generation of defencemen get 1200, their accomplishments will be easily surpassed by whatever's coming next.

*fart noise into hand

Hedman and Karlsson? These guys are phenomenal hockey players, and we're all lucky to get to watch them. I hope I get to see them add their names to this crazy small list for 1000 points!

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Karlssson is more likely to hit it but still 50/50. I'm sort of expecting a massive drop in production in the next year or 2.


I think Hedman is out of time.

 

[TheNewEra]

karlsson needs 151 pts
hedman needs 232 pts

assuming they play 4 more years
karlsson needs 37.75 points per game
hedman needs 58 points per game

4 makes it iffy for both. Karlsson may not get consistent 1st unit powerplay time and hedman would need to fight father time (is doing well this year but for reference only 11 dmen last year got more than 58 points)

assuming they play 5 years
Karlsson needs 30.2 points per game
Hedman needs 46.4 points per game

This seems a lot safer. This is obviously not counting whatever points either defenceman put up for the remaining of this season. Assuming they put up some more points the expected point per game number should go down some more. That being said 5 years is going to be a tough ask for any player. Both players need high production for this year and next year to have a fair shot at it

 

[Toby91ca]

karlsson needs 151 pts
hedman needs 232 pts

assuming they play 4 more years
karlsson needs 37.75 points per game
hedman needs 58 points per game

4 makes it iffy for both. Karlsson may not get consistent 1st unit powerplay time and hedman would need to fight father time (is doing well this year but for reference only 11 dmen last year got more than 58 points)

assuming they play 5 years
Karlsson needs 30.2 points per game
Hedman needs 46.4 points per game

This seems a lot safer. This is obviously not counting whatever points either defenceman put up for the remaining of this season. Assuming they put up some more points the expected point per game number should go down some more. That being said 5 years is going to be a tough ask for any player. Both players need high production for this year and next year to have a fair shot at it

That's a lot of points per game

 

[Turin]

Karlsson could easily if traded to a team that will let him play his style.

 

[Dingo]

With EK, it's a question of does he stay in Pittsburgh for the duration of his contract and what happens after. It's weird, that even with him being closer I still feel a bit less confident.

Hedman's situation is a bit more predictable, barring Kucherov bailing after his contract. But if Hedman stays reasonably healthy and on that PP, he should get there by the end of his contract.

I agree. Hedman is a safer bet. Karlsson could flame right out and retire, or even throw down another 80+ point season if he went somewhere he was happy and healthy.

I have more faith in Hedman playing long enough to do it.

 

[Tuggy]

Hutson gets there before both of them.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Hedman strikes me as the type of guy to play well into his 40s. And while he's not quite as good he's the closest we've seen to Lidstrom since Lidstrom and Lidstrom played until 42 while still putting up a lot of points in those last few years.

EK if healthy should be a lock

So I think both guys hit 1000

 

[Stephen]

My hot take is neither of them will, and there’s no shame in it. I’ve noticed a kind of “great filter” effect when it comes to 1000 points, and a lot of guys get stuck in the 900s and they just run out of time, gas, health, opportunities. Kariya, Lecavalier, Kessel, Spezza, Orr, Keon, Chelios, Robinson, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Middleton.

 

[AvroArrow]

Karlsson if he doesn't get injured is a lock for 1000. Hedman not so sure