Proposal: Cgy-ari

[RasmusAndersson]

To ARI:
Lance Bouma
2017 2nd (CGY)

To CGY:
Tobias Rieder

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[DuncanKinney]

To ARI:
Lance Bouma
2017 2nd (CGY)

To CGY:
Tobias Rieder

You turn that into the Panthers 4th rounder from 2018 that we got from the Hudler trade and you got yourself a deal.

 

[wasunder]

I would do it from Calgary's perspective. I think Arizona values Rieder a little more than that though.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Refresh my memory on Rieder again? Whats the situation on his contract asks? Wasn't it really high and his agent talked about offers from Russia?

 

[BUX7PHX]

Refresh my memory on Rieder again? Whats the situation on his contract asks? Wasn't it really high and his agent talked about offers from Russia?

His agent was apparently going pretty high with his stance - talking Nazem Kadri as a comparable for Rieder and Rieder's next contract. That has softened some, and the story is that Rieder looks to be coming in around the $2.7 M-3.0 M mark AAV. I think that the Coyotes have some offers out there for somewhere in the $2.2-2.5 M range.

The value is actually close, but I think that the Coyotes would prefer a little more offense from a RHS on the RW, as opposed to a LHS in Bouma. Probably at the expense of that high of a draft pick included. 58 P in 154 G for Rieder and Bouma is at 60 P in 243 G.

Too bad Poirier isn't a RHS, otherwise, I would believe that Rieder for Poirier and a mid-round pick (maybe 4th round) would be decent compensation.

 

[SB84]

Yes from this Flames fan. I like Bouma's energy but he's too inconsistent.

 

[DJJones]

Yes from this Flames fan. I like Bouma's energy but he's too inconsistent.

If Tkachuk doesn't make the team I could see him being on Backlunds wing again.

I expect a bounce back year.

 

[Kaizen]

Done - where do I sign?

 

[Vatican Roulette]

To ARI:
Lance Bouma
2017 2nd (CGY)

To CGY:
Tobias Rieder

Bouma
McDonald
Klimchuck

For

Rieder
Ross(contract)
Hache(contract)

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I would rather not sell low on Bouma. He had an injury-riddled year where he never really got a rhythm going.

I do like Reider as a Frolik type though.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Bouma
McDonald
Klimchuck

For

Rieder
Ross(contract)
Hache(contract)

Nope.

No thank you.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Bouma
McDonald
Klimchuck

For

Rieder
Ross(contract)
Hache(contract)

So a good top 9 player, our best goalie prospect and a player with bottom 6 potential for a young top 9 guy and two wasted contract spots?

I'd do Poirier and a 3rd for Reider.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

So a good top 9 player, our best goalie prospect and a player with bottom 6 potential for a young top 9 guy and two wasted contract spots?

I'd do Poirier and a 3rd for Reider.

You forgot the word "third" between "our" and "best".

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

You forgot the word "third" between "our" and "best".

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think he's below Gillies, and neither are below Ortio in any way. In my opinion, of course.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think he's below Gillies, and neither are below Ortio in any way. In my opinion, of course.

Ortio isn't a Flames prospect anymore. He's a UFA. Which goes to show how little NHL teams value goalie prospects that aren't Matt Murray type phenoms.

FWIW McDonald is also my favorite between Gillies, Parsons, and McDonald. It's russian roulette on which one of the three becomes an NHLer though.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Ortio isn't a Flames prospect anymore. He's a UFA. Which goes to show how little NHL teams value goalie prospects that aren't Matt Murray type phenoms.

FWIW McDonald is also my favorite between Gillies, Parsons, and McDonald. It's russian roulette on which one of the three becomes an NHLer though.

I totally forgot that we dropped Ortio, but wasn't high on Parsons personally.

Either way, that counter proposal was just brutal.

 

[Boumsalot]

So a good top 9 player, our best goalie prospect and a player with bottom 6 potential for a young top 9 guy and two wasted contract spots?

I'd do Poirier and a 3rd for Reider.

I'd do Poirer for Reider and a 3rd.

 

[BUX7PHX]

I'd do Poirer for Reider and a 3rd.

Why would the Coyotes add a 3rd?

Rieder: 69 P in 136 AHL GP, 58 P in 154 NHL GP

Poirier: 75 P in 117 AHL GP, 1 P in 8 NHL GP

I am not saying that Rieder is leaps and bounds ahead of Poirier, but it is also not a scenario where the Coyotes have to add that much to get Poirier either. Does Poirier PK, or is he mainly an offensive catalyst? From the looks of things, Poirier has not been used on the PK in his limited NHL time, and AZ would be giving up one of the better PK wings on the team. If Poirier PKs in the AHL, then it is close, and could almost be a 1-for-1 type of swap.

If not, I can't see Arizona needing to add to Rieder in any way here. But I can imagine that Rieder will get signed once he is done with Team Europe in the World Cup.

 

[Skobel24]

I'd do Poirer for Reider and a 3rd.

Arizona would pass. Reider has more value than Poirier.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I'd probably do that yep. 2nd makes me hesitate but Rieder looks promising.

 

[Guido Sarducci]

I'd like to give Bouma another season to see what he really is. The 14/15 Bouma was a pretty good player.

And it's kind of funny that Poirier is becoming the the new Hanowski in Flames fans counter proposals.

 

[Lunatik]

Pass, no interest in Rieder at this point. His salary demands just seem to be excessive.

 

[YennoItFlames]

Rieder + 2nd(If Rieder doesn't resign it becomes a 1st) for Bouma/Engelland + Klimchuk/Poirer + 3rd

 

[SniperHF]

Rieder + 2nd(If Rieder doesn't resign it becomes a 1st) for Bouma/Engelland + Klimchuk/Poirer + 3rd

Coyotes first could be very high, deal breaker even as a conditional.

OPs deal is pretty fair, but I'd rather the Coyotes stick to their guns and hold Rieder. So far they have said the same.

 

[DJJones]

I'd like to give Bouma another season to see what he really is. The 14/15 Bouma was a pretty good player.

And it's kind of funny that Poirier is becoming the the new Hanowski in Flames fans counter proposals.

Ya not sure why people want to sell low on poirier. Guy has amazing speed. Could be a very effective middle six winger