LeBrun: CBJ will be looking for a 1st round pick for Provorov once they are ready to move him

[Rebels57]

Personally I would keep and re - sign him, I like his durability and solid defensive play. His offense has been very underwhelming, basically on par with Gavrikov

He flashed so much more offense in his first few years in Philly, but towards the end it dried up. He used to be one of the best in the NHL at getting chances downlow and in the slot for a defensemen but those days are behind him.

 

[Rowlet]

I think you’re missing the point. A late 1st this year is worth (roughly) a late 1st next year plus a 3rd. Sure, teams could add more, but then they’re paying more, so instead the offer becomes a 1st and a 2nd.

No, you're missing the point that Edmonton's offer is easily beatable by every team in the league by simply giving up this years first instead of next, so Edmonton will be the ones forced to overpay.

If the other team offers a 1st and 3rd, Edmonton will have to trade away two 1sts to match, and one of them is from 3 years away.

 

[CaptBrannigan]

Bruh we got a first for David Friggin' Savard.

Stanley Cup winning goal assister David Savard!

 

[Schemp]

Still like Utah's chances. There is a need. He is friends with Sergachev. There will be an influx of Russians prospects next season in Utah. Utah has good prospects if CBJ would rather not wait that long for a 1st to develop.
They could offer Allard, Lavoie, and a '26 2nd which may be more appealing than a lowly 1st, and still offer more...

 

[BHD]

Depends on who is looking at him... Florida, Montreal, New York Rangers, and Vancouver all seem like teams who would be interested.

 

[Viqsi]

Okay, here's a good rule of thumb to go with:
If your proposal has two assets going to the Jackets for Jiricek, it's already at best on life support. More than two and we stop returning your calls. We already have metric f***tons of Prospect Depth, and we left the "gather assets" phase of rebuilds years ago. Meet Current Needs or GTFO.

 

[JUSTGIROUXIT]

Top 3-4 Dman on the majority of teams. Will fetch a 1st easily.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I mean, a 1st doesn't mean a 1st I think it just means 1st round value. Oilers could get creative to make it work. Prospects, first next year, they have the picks they got from the Blues, etc.

2026 1st and Blues 3rd this year for Provorov 50% probably gets it done

They wouldn’t even have to retain 50% he’s already got partial retention on his contract. Oilers could definitely make an offer work.

 

[Warh1ppy]

The tricky thing about Provorov is that he's needy when it comes to his partners. He works really well with some but not others, and G-d only knows what the criteria are for someone being Provorov Compatible(tm). Provorov-Severson has not exactly covered itself in glory as a pairing, but Provorov-Fabbro looked good when it was tried, and Werenski-Provorov (yes, he was playing on his off-hand side) has looked really shockingly capable. It's not strictly about minutes, either, so that theory doesn't hold (Provorov-Fabbro was very definitely a second pairing).

When he's with an Acceptable Partner, his defense is acceptably good. He does his part and he can avoid pinching at grotequely stupid times. His offense isn't a standout thing but he contributes here and there. When he isn't with an Acceptable Partner... I'm tempted to say "everything goes to hell" but that's an exaggeration. Still, you start to see why so many people got so frustrated with him when that happens. It's like he can figure out how some guys will play but not others, and so long as he's with someone he understands he's a major credit to the blueline, but take that away and suddenly he's horribly lost.

I guess you could think of it as him being more dependent on accurately predicting what his teammates will do for given situations rather than accurately reading and reacting the game as it goes - Advance Prep Only rather than On The Fly Capable - which obivously would limit his deployment options a great deal. I dunno if that's what's actually going on with him, but that's the impression I'm left with.

So, yeah. If you've got the Right Guy to play alongside him, he's well worth a 1st and possibly more. But the puzzle to figure out whether or not you have that Right Guy is one that is currently unsolved. And G-d forbid your Right Guy get injured or something...

I would say that is a pretty bang on assessment.

Ivan has infuriated me at times following his career depending on his partner du jour and the idea of having a potential top 4 is great, but only if that potential top 4 is paired with the unicorn partner is a nightmare.

What are these rumours though I keep hearing about Jiricek after his demotion or recent demotion? Is he a wait and see? Is he cooking like Cuelemans (spelling?) Is CBJ just in need of a larger overall shake up on the roster to solidify the team?

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Provorov-Severson has not exactly covered itself in glory as a pairing, but Provorov-Fabbro looked good when it was tried, and Werenski-Provorov (yes, he was playing on his off-hand side) has looked really shockingly capable. It's not strictly about minutes, either, so that theory doesn't hold (Provorov-Fabbro was very definitely a second pairing).

provorov-severson had some not-so-great moments last year as a pair but I feel confident simply blaming that on Pascal Vincent not being a legitimate NHL coach.

either way, their possession numbers together were pretty solid last year given how bad the team was. they've been absolutely dynamite together this year.

Stat	23-24 (Vincent)	24-25 (Evason)
CF%	52.9%	63.4%
GF%	45.5%	55.6%
SCF%	52.7%	65.6%
HDCF%	52.1%	70.3%
xGF%	54.0%	72.1% (!!!)
xGF/60	3.1	3.6
xGA/60	2.7	2.9

legitimately dominant pairing this season.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Any chance for a extension?

 

[Viqsi]

provorov-severson had some not-so-great moments last year as a pair but I feel confident simply blaming that on Pascal Vincent not being a legitimate NHL coach.

either way, their possession numbers together were pretty solid last year given how bad the team was. they've been absolutely dynamite together this year.

Stat	23-24 (Vincent)	24-25 (Evason)
CF%	52.9%	63.4%
GF%	45.5%	55.6%
SCF%	52.7%	65.6%
HDCF%	52.1%	70.3%
xGF%	54.0%	72.1% (!!!)
xGF/60	3.1	3.6
xGA/60	2.7	2.9

legitimately dominant pairing this season.

If you say so. I haven't seen it, but I've not been as confident in my ability to watch and evaluate with objectivity this year either, and despite lots of suspicion this is the first indicator I've actually gotten this year that I might be misreading Severson's presence on a pairing.

 

[Viqsi]

What are these rumours though I keep hearing about Jiricek after his demotion or recent demotion? Is he a wait and see? Is he cooking like Cuelemans (spelling?) Is CBJ just in need of a larger overall shake up on the roster to solidify the team?

The rumors are driven mostly by "Oh, look, a hyped prospect is in Columbus and things aren't 100% perfectly according to plan. TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE GIMMIE GIMMIE"

His agent is Alan Walsh; that's most of what one needs to know. The rest is just an ongoing development issue (he's not strong enough on his skates and it affects his play decisions).

 

[stevo61]

The rumors are driven mostly by "Oh, look, a hyped prospect is in Columbus and things aren't 100% perfectly according to plan. TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE GIMMIE GIMMIE"

His agent is Alan Walsh; that's most of what one needs to know. The rest is just an ongoing development issue (he's not strong enough on his skates and it affects his play decisions).

Happens to everyone, adding "it's Columbus" to everything is getting weird.

I will say the Kent Johnson proposals and suggestions he'll ask out have certainly died down rather abruptly

 

[Viqsi]

Happens to everyone, adding "it's Columbus" to everything is getting weird.

Please feel free to point out the last time such a prospect was so persistently targeted by fans and mainstream media when said prospect was affiliated with, say, an O6 team. I'll wait.

Different teams get their own different varieties of The Usual Bullshit.

 

[River Meadow]

Provorov kinda sucks.

Good luck.

 

[stevo61]

Middlestadt I remember creating buzz because he took time. The highest end guy I remember creating that buzz of "play him in the NHl or move him" that popped I to my head instantly was Spezza. But again, people try to create narratives anytime a prospect doesn't make it on their expected timeline or doesn't pop right away. Usually more of a thing for bad teams that put prospects in tough spots. I'm not gonna go write a whole list, maybe think of it as the team getting talked about instead of the world hates Columbus