Line Combos: CBJ Roster Discussion/Line Combos/Injury Report

[CannonFire1]

Provorov-Severson is getting some very nice xGs (59%) on the backs of a very low 2 xGA/60. But the "big mistake" continues to plague them, they've given up twice as many goals as expected.

I don't like that we went away from Christiansen-Severson. They had good xGs AND good goal results, outscoring opponents 13-10.

I also preferred the Christiansen - Severson pairing. I think the current alignment is to test drive Fabbro (who could earn an extension next to Werenski) and try to keep Provorov's trade value high. The Severson contract isn't movable right now, so Provorov will be the one to go. When that happens we may see Christiansen and Severson reunited - unless they think Mateychuk is ready for top 4 minutes.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

I'm going to try and be a lower effort poster for a little bit. So this is a mishmash of whatever I'm seeing in the last ten pages.

- Voronkov's price is going to hit the roof. This guy has never seen money in his life, we should be making big long term offers now and not wait until it's not enough. $5m long term is fine.

- More generally, I don't like that we don't have any young players under contract beyond 2027. C'mon Don!

- Cole Sillinger is not our matchup center. He's done it three or four times to mixed effect (you can look at NST's opponents feature). I don't give a guy credit for getting smoked like he did vs Kucherov. He did have a very nice game vs Toronto's top guns, though that was as Monahan's winger, and Monahan-Marchenko had much better results with Voronkov and Chinakhov.

- More generally I'm very encouraged by how much Sillinger's skating has improved and he'll be a good role player eventually, but he still isn't very good. We're still getting heavily outscored with him out there. And no that is not because he is a matchup center (he isn't) and not normal for a good matchup center anyways.

- Fantilli is also not doing great, though he has enough talent to get goals regardless. We spend most of the time in our end with him on the ice. I think all the one and done rushes and the disconnected play between teammates is a big part of it. Fantilli needs to get his head on a swivel, right now he has no idea where his teammates are.

- Most of Fantilli's game log is nights where he gets 30% or 40% of the xGs. That's really bad. His best night came in the one night he was Monahan's winger, when Fantilli was on for 77% xGs. I've been saying - for now the kid is a winger and the club will be instantly better when it stops pretending that he's currently a viable center.

- I'm just now skimming through KJ's comments about last year. The part about the coaches in video sessions telling him to change his routes and go to the net is what stands out to me. He's a perimeter player and that's actually an important role!

- People harping on Vincent for not giving KJ this type of ice time are not being realistic. If Gaudreau and Laine were on this year's team and KJ was skating as badly as he was last year then Evason would not be giving him endless rope as our top playmaker.

- Fabbro is looking good and might just be a long term fit next to Werenski. But there's nothing obvious about that yet. The underlying possession numbers aren't any different for Werenski-Fabbro from Werenski-Provorov. By my eye both pairings look good.

Welcome back! Hope all has been well

 

[thebus88]

Voronkov-Monahan-Marchenko
Johnson-Fantilli-Chinakhov
ZAR-Danforth-Olivier
Jenner-Kuraly-Sillinger

??

Chinakhov - Monahan - Marchenko
Fantilli - Jenner - Johnson
ZAR - Danforth - Olivier
Voronkov - Sillinger - Labanc

Interesting where you guys have Voronkov and Jenner. I think you are both right and both wrong. Both guys need to be higher in the lineup, though I would also be interested in a Monahan-Voronkov-Jenner 1-3C center combo.

Kuraly should come out. Then Labanc or Sillinger. I’d put JVR in more games over these other guys.

Possibly…JVR —ZAR (Jenner)—Olivier 3rd line

Or..JVR—ZAR—Danforth/Sillinger/Labanc 4th line

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[GoJackets1]

Yeah no idea why they got away from the Christiansen-Severson pairing. It was working, and getting way better actual results than Prov-Severson has.

 

[MoeBartoli]

I'm going to try and be a lower effort poster for a little bit. So this is a mishmash of whatever I'm seeing in the last ten pages.

- Voronkov's price is going to hit the roof. This guy has never seen money in his life, we should be making big long term offers now and not wait until it's not enough. $5m long term is fine.

- More generally, I don't like that we don't have any young players under contract beyond 2027. C'mon Don!

- Cole Sillinger is not our matchup center. He's done it three or four times to mixed effect (you can look at NST's opponents feature). I don't give a guy credit for getting smoked like he did vs Kucherov. He did have a very nice game vs Toronto's top guns, though that was as Monahan's winger, and Monahan-Marchenko had much better results with Voronkov and Chinakhov.

- More generally I'm very encouraged by how much Sillinger's skating has improved and he'll be a good role player eventually, but he still isn't very good. We're still getting heavily outscored with him out there. And no that is not because he is a matchup center (he isn't) and not normal for a good matchup center anyways.

- Fantilli is also not doing great, though he has enough talent to get goals regardless. We spend most of the time in our end with him on the ice. I think all the one and done rushes and the disconnected play between teammates is a big part of it. Fantilli needs to get his head on a swivel, right now he has no idea where his teammates are.

- Most of Fantilli's game log is nights where he gets 30% or 40% of the xGs. That's really bad. His best night came in the one night he was Monahan's winger, when Fantilli was on for 77% xGs. I've been saying - for now the kid is a winger and the club will be instantly better when it stops pretending that he's currently a viable center.

- I'm just now skimming through KJ's comments about last year. The part about the coaches in video sessions telling him to change his routes and go to the net is what stands out to me. He's a perimeter player and that's actually an important role!

- People harping on Vincent for not giving KJ this type of ice time are not being realistic. If Gaudreau and Laine were on this year's team and KJ was skating as badly as he was last year then Evason would not be giving him endless rope as our top playmaker.

- Fabbro is looking good and might just be a long term fit next to Werenski. But there's nothing obvious about that yet. The underlying possession numbers aren't any different for Werenski-Fabbro from Werenski-Provorov. By my eye both pairings look good.

I think you nailed it on Voronkov, contracts, Sillinger and Fantilli, who right now looks more like a winger than a center. I’m hoping that changes because of the huge need at center, but his game right now “looks winger”.