Line Combos: CBJ Roster Discussion/Line Combos/Injury Report

[EDM]

I think Marchenko is a "core piece" who I would not trade under any circumstances. I would offer Chinakov instead.

 

[thebus88]

I think Marchenko is a "core piece" who I would not trade under any circumstances. I would offer Chinakov instead.

Fantilli-Chinakhov-Marchenko-Johnson

And Mateychuk, even though some people will say he hasn’t proven anything or isn’t an NHL player…

Should all be looked at essentially all the same. Different players, but, easily all legitimate “core” players moving forward. We have MORE than enough cap space where we would be better off signing a high end UFA or look to make trades using our future 1sts.

I think Marchenko is a "core piece" who I would not trade under any circumstances. I would offer Chinakov instead.

What makes Marchenko a core piece, and not Chinakhov??

 

[CBJWerenski8]

My guess is if he’s ready to go, Kuraly comes out. Sillinger to line 3 and Danforth to 4th

 

[MoeBartoli]

Fantilli-Chinakhov-Marchenko-Johnson

And Mateychuk, even though some people will say he hasn’t proven anything or isn’t an NHL player…

Should all be looked at essentially all the same. Different players, but, easily all legitimate “core” players moving forward. We have MORE than enough cap space where we would be better off signing a high end UFA or look to make trades using our future 1sts.


What makes Marchenko a core piece, and not Chinakhov??

He may not meet the definition of “core piece” but Voronkov is a guy I’m not trading unless it’s a Godfather Offer - one I can’t refuse.

 

[Napoli]

Controversial but I don't know I'd leave Fantilli's name out if that's what they were asking for. Would push for Chinakhov+ though.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[thebus88]

He may not meet the definition of “core piece” but Voronkov is a guy I’m not trading unless it’s a Godfather Offer - one I can’t refuse.

I essentially just left him out on accident. While he may not have the overall offensive ceiling as the other guys, he’s obviously a completely different player who adds things NONE of the other guys do. I’m on record saying he should be looked at as no different than the other Russian’s, while in the end he might just be worth a tad less.

Looking at these guys together, it’s such a more versatile and skilled group of young forwards than we’ve ever had. I think Fantill/Johnson/Voronkov can make a very interesting and GOOD “Top 6 C” group looking deep into the future, and this is without even talking about Lindstrom.

 

[thebus88]

Controversial but I don't know I'd leave Fantilli's name out if that's what they were asking for. Would push for Chinakhov+ though.

You’re talking about trading Fantilli or Chinakhov??

Controversial isn’t the word…..

 

[aylib]

Are you guys expecting to resign Oliver or is it too early to say? What would you estimate his worth if he is to continue on this trajectory?

 

[Napoli]

You’re talking about trading Fantilli or Chinakhov??

Controversial isn’t the word…..

The point is moot, they would never trade Fantilli. I am a little disappointed with how he's started this year though. He's finding his game little by little though.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[NotWendell]

He's setting the stage for what is about to happen next. Is it a trade for a better defenseman? Getting a better second goalie? Bringing up Mateychuk?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Both Boone and Gudbranson out of slings

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

So while we don't know exactly what Cole's injury was, the clip where he got kicked in the head makes me wonder if he's coming back too fast if that is what the injury was.

Chris Olave got a concussion in New Orleans, missed a game, came back and promptly got knocked out cold the next game back.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Since everyone must be out Black Friday shopping

 

[thebus88]

Since everyone must be out Black Friday shopping

Give him the start.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[ColumbusTrill]

 

[Viqsi]

Give him the start.

this aged well

 

[thebus88]

this aged well

As have all of my Merzlikins comments over the years, eh??

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I know there will be injuries between now and then, but putting Chinakhov and Jenner back in the forward group, would that be the end of Labanc and JVR in the lineup IF the best 12 were available?


Voronkov-Monahan-Marchenko
Johnson-Fantilli-Chinakhov
ZAR-Danforth-Olivier
Jenner-Kuraly-Sillinger

??

 

[S1N4TR4]

I know there will be injuries between now and then, but putting Chinakhov and Jenner back in the forward group, would that be the end of Labanc and JVR in the lineup IF the best 12 were available?


Voronkov-Monahan-Marchenko
Johnson-Fantilli-Chinakhov
ZAR-Danforth-Olivier
Jenner-Kuraly-Sillinger

??

100 percent.

 

[majormajor]

I'm going to try and be a lower effort poster for a little bit. So this is a mishmash of whatever I'm seeing in the last ten pages.

- Voronkov's price is going to hit the roof. This guy has never seen money in his life, we should be making big long term offers now and not wait until it's not enough. $5m long term is fine.

- More generally, I don't like that we don't have any young players under contract beyond 2027. C'mon Don!

- Cole Sillinger is not our matchup center. He's done it three or four times to mixed effect (you can look at NST's opponents feature). I don't give a guy credit for getting smoked like he did vs Kucherov. He did have a very nice game vs Toronto's top guns, though that was as Monahan's winger, and Monahan-Marchenko had much better results with Voronkov and Chinakhov.

- More generally I'm very encouraged by how much Sillinger's skating has improved and he'll be a good role player eventually, but he still isn't very good. We're still getting heavily outscored with him out there. And no that is not because he is a matchup center (he isn't) and not normal for a good matchup center anyways.

- Fantilli is also not doing great, though he has enough talent to get goals regardless. We spend most of the time in our end with him on the ice. I think all the one and done rushes and the disconnected play between teammates is a big part of it. Fantilli needs to get his head on a swivel, right now he has no idea where his teammates are.

- Most of Fantilli's game log is nights where he gets 30% or 40% of the xGs. That's really bad. His best night came in the one night he was Monahan's winger, when Fantilli was on for 77% xGs. I've been saying - for now the kid is a winger and the club will be instantly better when it stops pretending that he's currently a viable center.

- I'm just now skimming through KJ's comments about last year. The part about the coaches in video sessions telling him to change his routes and go to the net is what stands out to me. He's a perimeter player and that's actually an important role!

- People harping on Vincent for not giving KJ this type of ice time are not being realistic. If Gaudreau and Laine were on this year's team and KJ was skating as badly as he was last year then Evason would not be giving him endless rope as our top playmaker.

- Fabbro is looking good and might just be a long term fit next to Werenski. But there's nothing obvious about that yet. The underlying possession numbers aren't any different for Werenski-Fabbro from Werenski-Provorov. By my eye both pairings look good.

 

[majormajor]

Provorov-Severson is getting some very nice xGs (59%) on the backs of a very low 2 xGA/60. But the "big mistake" continues to plague them, they've given up twice as many goals as expected.

I don't like that we went away from Christiansen-Severson. They had good xGs AND good goal results, outscoring opponents 13-10.