CBJ Board Summer 2018 Prospect Rankings - Top 20

[EspenK]

1. Vitaly Abramov| RW
2. Liam Foudy|C
3. Vladislav Gavrikov|D
4. Elvis Merzlikins|G
5. Alexandre Texier|C
6. Jonathan Davidsson|RW
7. Kirill Marchenko|RW
8. Andrew Peeke|D
9. Gabriel Carlsson|D
10. Kevin Stenlund|C
11. Daniil Tarasov|G
12. Veini Vehvilainen|G
13. Calvin Thurkauf|C
14. Emil Bemstrom|C
15. Marcus Karlberg|LW
16. Maxime Fortier|RW
17. Eric Robinson|LW
18. Kyle Sherwood|LW
18. Sam Vigneault|C
20. Tim Berni|D

So here's our top 20. Who in your opinion is ranked too high? Too low? Overall comments

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[stevo61]

IMO Fortier is atleast 3 spots too low. But for the most part with the talent of our prospects and where they are in development its not a bad list. We have a pretty boom or bust group. Abramov could become a Panarin like star or could be an AHLer. Texier is another one that could be a home run or nothing at all.
I kind of like it because once you become a more consistant playoff team and draft lower these are the guys you need to take chances on and hope a couple are hits. Management has shifted to drafting speed+skill as seen again with our top 2 picks this year and I like the direction

 

[Xoggz22]

Vehvelainen too high, Texier too low. However, depending on whether this is talent/ceiling driven or possibility of making it to the NHL might change the order overall anyway. I think Texier is going to be a high level player but needs time against the high level competition.

 

[CBJFan827]

The prospect pool gospel according to me:

Abramov	1
Merzlikins	2
Texier	3
Foudy	4
Gavrikov	5
Davidsson	6
Marchenko	7
Tarasov	8
Carlsson	9
Peeke	10
Stenlund	11
Thurkauf	12
Vehvilainen	13
Bemstrom	14
Sherwood	15
Vigneault	16
Robinson	17
Fortier	18
Karlberg	19
MacInnis	20
Howarth	21
Fix-Wolansky	22
Meyer	23
Stucker	24
Berni	25

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So obviously Merz/Tex/Sherwood/Tarasov are all too low, and as always I'm not high on a small forward drafted by Jarmo this summer (Karlberg). I own my crow from two years ago where the boards had Abramov ranked 7 higher than I did. I warm up to players afer their +1 draft season.

20-23 are pretty much a tier to me, as of right now.

 

[major major]

I think it's a pretty good list, based on the little I know. I tried to do some research on each player I voted for, and looked for game video wherever possible, which informs the following rankings:

Abramov
Foudy
Texier
Peeke
Marchenko

Gavrikov
Merzlikins
Davidsson
Tarasov
Stenlund

Thurkauf
Carlsson
Karlberg
Bemstrom
Vehvilainen

Sherwood
Berni
Fortier
Tie: Robinson-Vigneault-TFW

The only big difference between my list and the collective is that I have Peeke much higher, even above Gavrikov and Merzlikins. I tend not to rank goalies very highly until I see how they play in the system. I also tend to weight age heavily, so unless a guy has a lot of upside he's only going to go so high in my rankings, even if he's NHL ready now. Peeke is remarkably well-rounded for a player entering his 20 year old season, it's surprising we don't talk about him more.

 

[S1N4TR4]

I’ll tell y’all one prospect to keep an eye on that is going to move up the rankings reaaaaaal fast.

Max Fortier.

 

[The Wheelchair]

The way I think conceptualize prospects is by grouping them into tiers. Here's what I'd do with this year's:

B+ -- Foudy
B -- Abramov, Davidsson, Gavrikov, Merzlikins, Peeke, Texier
B- -- Carlsson, Marchenko, Stenlund
C+ -- Bemstrom, Tarasov, Thurkauf, Vehvilainen
C -- Fortier, Karlberg, Robinson
C- -- Berni, Fix-Wolansky, Howarth, MacInnis, Sherwood, Stucker, Vigneault
D -- Bittner, Collins, Kivlenieks, Meyer, Thome, Vainio
NP -- Bird, Siebenaler, Somerby, Zaar

 

[S1N4TR4]

The way I think conceptualize prospects is by grouping them into tiers. Here's what I'd do with this year's:

B+ -- Foudy
B -- Abramov, Davidsson, Gavrikov, Merzlikins, Peeke, Texier
B- -- Carlsson, Marchenko, Stenlund
C+ -- Bemstrom, Tarasov, Thurkauf, Vehvilainen
C -- Fortier, Karlberg, Robinson
C- -- Berni, Fix-Wolansky, Howarth, MacInnis, Sherwood, Stucker, Vigneault
D -- Bittner, Collins, Kivlenieks, Meyer, Thome, Vainio
NP -- Bird, Siebenaler, Somerby, Zaar

FYI... meant to post about it in the prospects thread but Tyler Bird is no longer a part of the organization. He wasn’t re-signed by the deadline.

 

[The Wheelchair]

FYI... meant to post about it in the prospects thread but Tyler Bird is no longer a part of the organization. He wasn’t re-signed by the deadline.

I thought it was weird that he was on the prospect lists for the add poll. Not that anyone would've voted for him.

 

[major major]

What was the old hockeysfuture grading system? You get a number grade that corresponds with the reasonable upside duty in the NHL - 8.0 is first liner, 6.0 third liner, etc... and a letter grade that assesses likeliness to hit that, so an A is a lock, a B could slide a line/pairing lower, C could slide two lines lower etc... Am I remembering this right?

Abramov 8.0D
Foudy 7.5B
Texier 8.0D
Peeke 7.5 C
Marchenko 8.0F

Gavrikov 7.0A
Merzlikins 7.5B
Davidsson 7.0B
Tarasov 7.5D
Stenlund 6.5C

Thurkauf 6.0B
Carlsson 6.5C
Karlberg 6.5C
Bemstrom 6.5C
Vehvilainen 7.0B

Sherwood 7.0D
Berni 7.0D
Fortier 6.5D
Robinson 5.5B
Vigneault 6.0C
TFW 6.5D

All guesstimation and BS.

 

[pled]

FYI... meant to post about it in the prospects thread but Tyler Bird is no longer a part of the organization. He wasn’t re-signed by the deadline.

the deadlive was august 15th for ncaa guy so the pool was before that

 

[pled]

I thought it was weird that he was on the prospect lists for the add poll. Not that anyone would've voted for him.

he was still part of the team when the poll ran

 

[pled]

Abramov 8.0D
Vehvilainen 7.0B

as much as I like Veini I dont think hes a B yet and I think Abramov is at least a C

 

[CBJWerenski8]

1. Merzlikins
2. Gavrikov
3. Foudy
4. Abramov
5. Texier
6. Davidsson
7. Stenlund
8. Peeke
9. Carlsson
10. Marchenko
11. Tarasov
12. Kukan
13. Vehvilainen
14. Bemstrom
15. Karlberg
16. Vigneault
17. Thurkauf
18. MacInnis
19. Fortier
20. Berni

My list.

 

[major major]

as much as I like Veini I dont think hes a B yet and I think Abramov is at least a C

What 8.0D means is that Abramov can drop 3 full lines from the 8.0 first line projection, meaning he could end up nothing or a 1st liner, we don't know yet. I think that's accurate. If he's an 8.0C that means he's a third liner at worst, do you think that is the case?

Veini is a 21 year old solid pro in the Finnish league - that translates into an NHL backup or a tier below that, which is pretty much what 7.0B means. If he was a 7.0C he'd have a floor worse than he is now.

 

[pled]

What 8.0D means is that Abramov can drop 3 full lines from the 8.0 first line projection, meaning he could end up nothing or a 1st liner, we don't know yet. I think that's accurate. If he's an 8.0C that means he's a third liner at worst, do you think that is the case?

Veini is a 21 year old solid pro in the Finnish league - that translates into an NHL backup or a tier below that, which is pretty much what 7.0B means. If he was a 7.0C he'd have a floor worse than he is now.

7.0B mean he is for sure NHL backup which I dont think we can say he is since we don't know how he would adapt to na he could totally not be able to develop well and and up going back to ahl europe even long term which isn't a worse floor than he is now.
8.0C would mean Abramov is for sure nhl worthy which I think he is. I don't think he can bust more than bottom 12 that get power play time so his floor would be more like 8.0C than 8.0D which would mean he wouldnt make the league at all really

but I guess it's all opinion

 

[stevo61]

I’ll tell y’all one prospect to keep an eye on that is going to move up the rankings reaaaaaal fast.

Max Fortier.

If you had him ranked up with Stenlund I wouldnt even argue with you. I think like Z this is the first time hes really had to face the adversity of injuries throughout a year and he played through it looking good. Hes probably better after it too, little adversity never hurts if you handle it the right way

 

[EspenK]

The 3 guys I think could have the most impact if they reach their ceilings are Foudy, Marchenko & Tarasov.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Do we have links to previous years?

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Zaar and Bittner. The rest are poseurs.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Bittner is an unfortunate tale.

 

[EspenK]

Do we have links to previous years?

I think they we're a causualty of the board conversion. I think Visqi posted them somewhere as she had them saved somehow.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Do we have links to previous years?

I think they we're a causualty of the board conversion. I think Visqi posted them somewhere as she had them saved somehow.

Here is what Viqsi posted in the #13 voting thread:

2017
1) Pierre-Luc Dubois
2) Oliver Bjorkstrand
3) Gabriel Carlsson
4) Vitaly Abramov
5) Vladislav Gavrikov
6) Sonny Milano
7) Kevin Stenlund
8) Alexandre Texier
9) Elvis Merzlikins
10) Tyler Motte
11) Andrew Peeke
12) Daniil Tarasov
13) Calvin Thurkauf
14) Markus Hannikainen
15) Kole Sherwood
16) Matiss Kivlenieks
17) Jonathan Davidsson
18) Sam Vigneault
19) Emil Bemstrom
20) Carson Meyer

"Honorable Mentions" (receiving add votes in the last round):
Paul Bittner
Dean Kukan
Veeti Vainio
Ryan Collins
Kale Howarth

Eligible but not voted for:
Tyler Bird
Jacob Graves
Jordan Maletta
Nick Moutrey
Justin Scott
Blake Siebenaler
Robbie Stucker
Peter Thome
Daniel Zaar


And 2016
1) Zachary Werenski
2) Pierre-Luc Dubois
3) Oliver Bjorkstrand
4) Joonas Korpisalo
5) Sonny Milano
6) Josh Anderson
7) Gabriel Carlsson
8) Anton Forsberg
9) Vitaly Abramov
10) Paul Bittner
11) Keegan Kolesar
12) Daniel Zaar
13) Dean Kukan
14) Markus Nutivaara
15) Vladislav Gavrikov
16) Elvis Merzlikins
17) Dillon Heatherington
18) Andrew Peeke
19) Veeti Vainio
20) Markus Hannikainen

"Honorable Mentions" (top four receiving add votes in the last round):
Lukas Sedlak
Blake Siebenaler
Kevin Stenlund
TJ Tynan

Eligible But Didn't Make The Cut:
Tyler Bird
Alex Broadhurst
Ryan Collins
Oscar Dansk
Jacob Graves
Scott Harrington
Jordan Maletta
Nick Moutrey
Peter Quenneville
John Ramage
Sam Ruopp
Dante Salituro
Justin Scott
Kole Sherwood
Markus Soberg
Peter Thome
Calvin Thurkauf
Oleg Yevenko


And 2015
1) Zach Werenski
2) Sonny Milano
3) Oliver Bjorkstrand
4) Kerby Rychel
5) Dillon Heatherington
6) Gabriel Carlsson, Anton Forsberg (tied)
8) Michael Paliotta
9) Paul Bittner
10) William Karlsson
11) Josh Anderson
12) Austin Madaisky
13) Kevin Stenlund
14) Ryan Collins
15) TJ Tynan
16) Joonas Korpisalo, Daniel Zaar (tied)
18) Blake Siebenaler
19) Oliver Leblanc
20) Elvis Merzlikins

Honorable Mentions:
Michael Chaput
Vladislav Gavrikov
Keegan Kolesar
Nick Moutrey

Eligible But Didn't Make The Cut:
Tyler Bird
Alex Broadhurst
Oscar Dansk
Markus Hannikainen
Dean Kukan
Markus Nutivaara (I had him at least as an Honorable Mention, but nooooo... )
Julien Pelletier
Peter Quenneville
John Ramage
Sam Ruopp
Lukas Sedlak
Kole Sherwood
Markus Soberg
Veeti Vainio

 

[spintheblackcircle]

 

[CBJFan827]

Wow, that's bad. Clearly not feeling our goalies and WAY high on Vigneault.