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riffle said:
More from Kyle Davidson, because we aren't ever getting that from Dubas, obviously.

Elliotte knows where his bread is buttered. It isn't in Chicago. PR is a huge game within the game. Information control is so important today.

I take Kyle Dubas' confirmation of what Kyle Davidson said as the only "facts" of this situation. Beyond that, it is all speculation by Elliotte and everyone else.

Friedman doing damage control on this is not hard to believe, for me. I felt this story was massive. I still feel that way. So many possible implications that have been discussed, but, again, the only facts are Kyle Dubas admitted he was upset the details of the potential trade got out there. Anything else we simply don't know because neither Kyle is going to speak about it anymore. Do I think someone from the Leafs org told Elliotte that it was Chicago asking? Sure, very likely. Truth? Unknown and surely debatable.

Tell me what Chicago has to lose in any of this? Nothing. Hagel and Fleury are gone. What does Kyle and Toronto have to lose? Plenty. Toronto has huge incentive to do damage control. Chicago doesn't have any.
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We don't really know anything if we are just going based off of what Dubas said. At the Heritage Classic, he said he was good with his goaltending. Then he waived Mrazek and took a chance on Sateri, which suggests otherwise.

Dubas said he was sticking to his plan and not to overreact to what other teams were doing. He has also said he will not trade top prospects and picks in deals which did not make sense for this team (and especially not for rentals).

Finally, Dubas said he would focus more on defense than anything at the TDL and that he had a lot of faith in Campbell/Mrazek to turn it around. Campbell/Mrazek are still our tandem, and he added Giordano.

Based on what has happened, it sound to me like those words matched his actions. Friedman and the other insiders were not in the room and do not know how those conversations arose. It is well known that Dubas likes to explore every option and do his due-diligence. He said so himself, and other GMs say they do the same thing themselves. He is going to ask for the prices on certain guys and certain packages. That is about where the facts end.

But to comment on some other things... Friedman gets his bread buttered everywhere, and it was Dreger who reported it anyways. Dreger has been completely out of the loop in regards to the Leafs since Dubas has taken over. These guys get their hits from whomever gives it to them, and that will certainly include Chicago. You want to put the chances that this was the time that Dubas finally decided to leak something to Dreger, and then subsequently got pissed at Davidson in public for doing something that he himself did?

Finally, as to what Chicago has to lose and the need for damage control? How about a completely unproven and rookie GM making a major mistake in less than a month before he was officially named a GM in the league. One that makes you look like a complete amateur to the rest of the league. Seems like a major incentive to me. Whereas what damage control does Dubas need to worry about, especially with Knies? If anything he would need to do damage control with his goalies, but even then he has already made his position perfectly clear in that regard too. He is not the one who messed up; why should he be the one who has to do damage control and clean it up?
 
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Tak7 said:
Yep.

They get goalie'd with alarming regularity - which makes me think they have major issues against teams that take the slot away.
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To be fair, the Leafs had 19 HDCF vs. 5 HDCA. There is no way you can spin that to say that Montreal took away the slot. Maybe we need to do a better job of lifting the puck off the ice in tight or something. Need to watch some JVR tape :laugh:
 
fahad203 said:
Fellow miserable leafs fans. We are going to Qatar

Just thought share some good news

If you need a goalie for playoffs, Borjan is avaiable
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No offence to you or Borjan but if Soup can't find it, the answer is Debiens. Not Hari Sateri.

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What is Keefe thinking breaking up that 3rd line? Good grief, the 1st and 3rd lines are the two lines on this team that actually function and you're gonna break one of them up? God what a dumb move.

And how many more games are we gonna give Spezza and Simmonds? They've been stunningly useless for a long time now.
 
Good test tonight. Be interesting to see what they’re made of.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
We don't really know anything if we are just going based off of what Dubas said. At the Heritage Classic, he said he was good with his goaltending. Then he waived Mrazek and took a chance on Sateri, which suggests otherwise.

Dubas said he was sticking to his plan and not to overreact to what other teams were doing. He has also said he will not trade top prospects and picks in deals which did not make sense for this team (and especially not for rentals).

Finally, Dubas said he would focus more on defense than anything at the TDL and that he had a lot of faith in Campbell/Mrazek to turn it around. Campbell/Mrazek are still our tandem, and he added Giordano.

Based on what has happened, it sound to me like those words matched his actions. Friedman and the other insiders were not in the room and do not know how those conversations arose. It is well known that Dubas likes to explore every option and do his due-diligence. He said so himself, and other GMs say they do the same thing themselves. He is going to ask for the prices on certain guys and certain packages. That is about where the facts end.

But to comment on some other things... Friedman gets his bread buttered everywhere, and it was Dreger who reported it anyways. Dreger has been completely out of the loop in regards to the Leafs since Dubas has taken over. These guys get their hits from whomever gives it to them, and that will certainly include Chicago. You want to put the chances that this was the time that Dubas finally decided to leak something to Dreger, and then subsequently got pissed at Davidson in public for doing something that he himself did?

Finally, as to what Chicago has to lose and the need for damage control? How about a completely unproven and rookie GM making a major mistake in less than a month before he was officially named a GM in the league. One that makes you look like a complete amateur to the rest of the league. Seems like a major incentive to me. Whereas what damage control does Dubas need to worry about, especially with Knies? If anything he would need to do damage control with his goalies, but even then he has already made his position perfectly clear in that regard too. He is not the one who messed up; why should he be the one who has to do damage control and clean it up?
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Almost gametime.... I just think there's a whole lot more to this than a 30 second phone call. I don't think anyone believes that's all it was. I don't believe Kyle didn't work it a whole lot more than a quick phoner. My belief is this was an in depth thing that was involved. I believe multiple options were floated and the one Chicago landed on or the Leafs was what was reported and at that point it broke down. I will never know, but that's what I believe. I think there's more there to believe that than to think it was a 30 second check to see if that would work. And, when you read Dreger's tweet, why did the deal not happen? Do you consider Knies part of "futures"?

 
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riffle said:
Almost gametime.... I just think there's a whole lot more to this than a 30 second phone call. I don't think anyone believes that's all it was. I don't believe Kyle didn't work it a whole lot more than a quick phoner. My belief is this was an in depth thing that was involved. I believe multiple options were floated and the one Chicago landed on or the Leafs was what was reported and at that point it broke down. I will never know, but that's what I believe. I think there's more there to believe that than to think it was a 30 second check to see if that would work.

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Kyle-1 - "Hi. We like Fleury and Hagel, What sort of price are you thinking?"

Kyle-2 - "Knies & 1st as a starting point"

Kyle-1 -"Ok, no thanks. Bye"

If it never got to Fleury, it's because it was never close. It was never close because Kyle never liked the price.

This has already been confirmed and shot down by insiders including Friedman and CJ.
 
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Ok line 1 we need you to be you
Willie and JT have to have to have to be amazing

Florida has three lines that talent wise is equal to when our second line is going

We need to be better today
 
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