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The Panthers-Sens game was a dog fight, very entertaining with crazy momentum swings.

Both teams on a B2B but the Cats should be more gassed from that shorthanded OT. Would be very Leafy to bow out to the Habs and crush the Cats.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
It was just a bunch of spinning. They were trying to make it seem like Dubas was "teeming with anger". Not even remotely close. He aired his disappointment and they are making it seem like he was going to have a tantrum about it. Davidson broke an unwritten rule, created a bunch of unnecessary drama that Dubas now has to deal with, and Dubas wasn't going to let that slide like nothing happened. Pretty much he did what a lot of fans thought he was too much of a p***y to do.

They also tried to make it seem like the Leafs were not loyal to Campbell because they had interest in Fleury.

First of all, Bieksa misspoke and talked like the Leafs were moving Campbell when that was clearly not the case. He could say we were being disloyal to Mrazek I guess, but I think the Leafs already made their position more than clear when they waived him.

Secondly, Dubas is the most loyal GM in the NHL. He will stick up for his players even when they have sucked. However he is not doing his job if he is not exploring ways to make his team better. Campbell and Mrazek are not stupid enough to think that the way they have played for the past few months is good enough... And they are not holding up their end of the bargain at all. A GM is not being disloyal to you when he has given you every chance to get back on track and you failed. If you think so, then good luck with another GM who will give up on you for doing a lot less.

Finally, they are assuming that bringing in Fleury equates to Campbell losing his job. There is nothing suggesting that Fleury would have been gifted that starting role, or that the dynamic would have been any different than when Mrazek was here. He may have a ton of prestige but Fleury has been playing worse than Campbell this year and would have to beat out the incumbent if he wants that job.

Then yes, the Knies thing was even more stupid. "You have barely even created a relationship with him and you are now already shopping him". It is clear what SN's agenda was. They needed something juicy to talk about and they are trying to make it look like Dubas gave them a lob that they just had to talk about. In reality, SN is just looking extremely stupid and desperate for a story, and I would not be surprised if Friedman is taking some heat behind the scenes because his comments in the 2nd period effectively confirmed that the first period was completely off base from reality.
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I 100% believe Dubas was very angry. Didn't see anything wrong with saying he was.

The Campbell thing is completely understandable and Hrudey spoke to it from the perspective of a goalie who played in the league.

It went off the rails when Bieksa acted like it was gospel truth that Knies was being shopped. We do not know this is true. We also do not know, for sure, if Kyle offered Knies or said no when the Hawks asked. I happen to believe the Hawks asked for Knies rather than we offered him, but that is unknown. That is what is wrong about this. Bieksa should not and cannot with any integrity speak as dogmatically as he did about this.

Ron is in outer space. He acted like he'd never heard Knies name before he was prepped for the segment. Went gaga for the video he found "on Google" and then proceeded to say his family would be upset the Leafs were shopping him? That is irresponsible to say. Ron doesn't even know a thing about Knies and less about what happened. This was a very bad look for SN regarding the Knies conversation. I didn't expect to hear Kevin butcher this as badly as he did. If he'd only been non-dogmatic and state his opinion as potential harm rather than actual, it would've been better. They really needed Elliotte for that segment but I doubt he wanted to touch this.
 
riffle said:
SN spoke to an actual hot topic which was the leak from the Hawks on the details of the non-Hagel/Fleury trade. Hrudey spoke to how it would affect Jack as did Bieksa. This was all spot on. Who is going to argue with Hrudey how this might be affecting Campbell?

The part that, I think, drew the ire of so many was Bieksa speaking to Knies relationship with the Leafs getting off to a rocky start because his name was in the trade talk. This is where it forks for those who are angry. Many are 100% convinced this was all Chicago. They were the ones who asked for Knies so Bieksa saying that makes little sense, if we operate with that understanding. It is a solid interpretation given that the trade wasn't consummated. It would appear that it was not the Leafs who brought up Knies, but rather them who said no when Chicago asked for him.

However, we don't know and will likely never know what levels this really got to and how much it was considered by either side. We just know it did not happen.

Overall, the angst is over media trying to say that Knies must feel slighted by the Leafs because his name was linked to a trade before he even had a chance to sign. I'm with those, to an extent, that the Knies angle is nothing, really. However, the Jack angle was solid and correct and very worthy of discussion. Personally, I was thrilled they led with that. It was necessary. A huge story given it's due that was taken too far regarding Knies and his relationship with the Leafs. But, we have no idea how Knies or his representation may interpret that news. We hope that like most Leafs fans they don't believe that the Leafs were shopping him that he was only asked for and we gave a resounding no to it which should have the opposite effect of what Bieksa stated.

One thing I've been thinking about since that segment is...How do we know Knies is not a Jack McBain? We don't. We don't know that he is, either. Will be watching closely to see what Minnesota does today vs. Western Michigan. Puck drop is at 4p, Eastern. If he doesn't sign like Abruzzese, I will start to wonder if he doesn't want to be here. Will it be because of the trade leak? I highly doubt it but worthy to at least discuss but many have 100% decided that in no way was Kyle even discussing Knies, period.

EDIT: Just rewatched it. Ron sounded like an idiot. I offer this as evidence: (Sorry, for bad crop and sun glare...have to keep it short so it will upload.)
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Extremely informative. Appreciate it !
 
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Since February 1st:

Leafs versus playoff teams: 6-3-0 (109 point pace)
Leafs versus non-playoff teams: 6-6-2 (82 point pace)

Tale of 2 clubs
 
The SN speculation was so bush league.

Fact: Dubas said from the onset he was going to make moves that made sense and made us better. Knies is our top prospect. It makes total sense for any team to ask for him. That doesn’t mean he was offered by Toronto. The fact that no trade happened should be clear: Chicago asked, Toronto left. Period. Anything else is deliberate trying to stir up shit, and Bieksa doesn’t know has hand from his ass.

As far as how Campbell must be feeling, here’s a tip: if you want to keep your job, bloody well do it properly. Stop the damn puck and we don’t need another goalie. Otherwise, everyone is replaceable for someone else who does the job.

Extremely disappointed in the SN hatchet job last night. From now on I change channel but what they were trying to intimate and incite last night was TMZ level trash.
 
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Still waiting for Knies to be our deadline add. I'm not buying in to the nonsense of a rocky relationship. From an outsider perspective I'd think Chicago asked for Knies and Dubas said no. Our whole organization seems pretty high on him and Abruzzese...and Dubas was clearing out contracts so that he could sign these two. Could be a nice piece to add in the playoffs. Surely Abruzzese or Knies can outplay at least one of Spezza-Simmonds. Back to back tonight I'd like to see Abruzzese take the 4C spot
 
Golden_Jet said:
Florida played last night, and is playing 3 in 4 tonight.
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Plus, this is the last game of a SEVEN game road trip for the Panthers. This is set up well for the Leafs, kind of like the Devils game. We know what this one means to the Leafs. What does it mean to the Panthers? I wouldn't think anywhere near as much if it was all equal, but a 3rd game in 4 nights and a 7th game on the road? I wouldn't expect their "A" game. My goodness that's a brutal trip.

I thought 6 or 7-1 for the Panthers but wasn't aware this was the last game of a 7-game roadie nor a 3rd-in-4 nights. Leafs should win this one. Yikes, if they don't.

Heck, this will be the 9th game out of 10 the Panthers have been on the road, and we've lost ground to them. Unbelievable.

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riffle said:
Plus, this is the last game of a SEVEN game road trip for the Panthers. This is set up well for the Leafs, kind of like the Devils game. We know what this one means to the Leafs. What does it mean to the Panthers? I wouldn't think anywhere near as much if it was all equal, but a 3rd game in 4 nights and a 7th game on the road? I wouldn't expect their "A" game. My goodness that's a brutal trip.

I thought 6 or 7-1 for the Panthers but wasn't aware this was the last game of a 7-game roadie nor a 3rd-in-4 nights. Leafs should win this one. Yikes, if they don't.

Heck, this will be the 9th game out of 10 the Panthers have been on the road, and we've lost ground to them. Unbelievable.

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Crap, east coast then west coast, then back to east coast and Canada. Ya that is a brutal trip.
 
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LeafSteel said:
The SN speculation was so bush league.

Fact: Dubas said from the onset he was going to make moves that made sense and made us better. Knies is our top prospect. It makes total sense for any team to ask for him. That doesn’t mean he was offered by Toronto. The fact that no trade happened should be clear: Chicago asked, Toronto left. Period. Anything else is deliberate trying to stir up shit, and Bieksa doesn’t know has hand from his ass.

As far as how Campbell must be feeling, here’s a tip: if you want to keep your job, bloody well do it properly. Stop the damn puck and we don’t need another goalie. Otherwise, everyone is replaceable for someone else who does the job.

Extremely disappointed in the SN hatchet job last night. From now on I change channel but what they were trying to intimate and incite last night was TMZ level trash.
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People forget that Hagel was part of this potential deal. It is not so crazy to think Knies may have been in this deal. You're trading for a known 20-goal scorer with term on an incredibly cheap deal. Plus, we don't know if Kyle knew Tampa was hotly pursuing him. It is not unfathomable Kyle would've offered up an unknown for a known with that kind of contract, and to keep him away from BriseBois. Remember, his job may be on the line. He's going to not try to get an established player for a player he's never seen at the NHL-level?

Nobody knows who brought up Knies. We assume it was Chicago. How do we know Chicago isn't the team that said no? I believe it was Chicago asking but that is only speculation on my part. It makes sense to me Kyle would offer his top prospect for Hagel given his production and his contract. BriseBois sure paid through the nose to get him so not out of the question Kyle offered the rumored package even though we hear it was Chicago who asked.
 
Cor said:
So we have better top 6 and defense, they have better bottom 6 and goaltending.

it would be an intriguing playoff series
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For tonight, yes. Tonight favors the Leafs.

For the playoffs, Florida will have Ekblad back, who has been better than any Leafs defender this year. And Bobrovsky in net.
 
Gonna be sad watching Marchment tonight. Local guy that worked his way up through our system. Just to move him for a soft, undersized player (Malgin) who doesn't bring much if he can't play in your top 6, which he can't. Marchment should have been kept on, he could easily be an upgrade in Simmonds spot. It's why I hope we don't make the same mistake twice, and we give Curtis Douglas a fair chance when the time comes
 
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leafsfan5 said:
Over two months: .887
Versus playoff teams: .912
Versus lottery teams: .849 (didn't account for goalie being pulled so this number should be slightly higher than it is)
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LOL just can't stop the puck against those bad teams.
 
TheDoldrums said:
Friedman literally said Chicago asked, Leafs said no in the 2nd intermission last night. Said Knies was "as untouchable as a prospect can be." What else are you expecting for confirmation?
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More from Kyle Davidson, because we aren't ever getting that from Dubas, obviously.

Elliotte knows where his bread is buttered. It isn't in Chicago. PR is a huge game within the game. Information control is so important today.

I take Kyle Dubas' confirmation of what Kyle Davidson said as the only "facts" of this situation. Beyond that, it is all speculation by Elliotte and everyone else.

Friedman doing damage control on this is not hard to believe, for me. I felt this story was massive. I still feel that way. So many possible implications that have been discussed, but, again, the only facts are Kyle Dubas admitted he was upset the details of the potential trade got out there. Anything else we simply don't know because neither Kyle is going to speak about it anymore. Do I think someone from the Leafs org told Elliotte that it was Chicago asking? Sure, very likely. Truth? Unknown and surely debatable.

Tell me what Chicago has to lose in any of this? Nothing. Hagel and Fleury are gone. What does Kyle and Toronto have to lose? Plenty. Toronto has huge incentive to do damage control. Chicago doesn't have any.
 
WayneTrain said:
Gonna be sad watching Marchment tonight. Local guy that worked his way up through our system. Just to move him for a soft, undersized player (Malgin) who doesn't bring much if he can't play in your top 6, which he can't. Marchment should have been kept on, he could easily be an upgrade in Simmonds spot. It's why I hope we don't make the same mistake twice, and we give Curtis Douglas a fair chance when the time comes
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Douglas looks a lot better than Marchment has at any point in his AHL career, and he is younger + much more physical.
 
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WayneTrain said:
Gonna be sad watching Marchment tonight. Local guy that worked his way up through our system. Just to move him for a soft, undersized player (Malgin) who doesn't bring much if he can't play in your top 6, which he can't. Marchment should have been kept on, he could easily be an upgrade in Simmonds spot. It's why I hope we don't make the same mistake twice, and we give Curtis Douglas a fair chance when the time comes
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Douglas looks a lot better than Marchment has at any point in his AHL career, and he is younger + much more physical.
 
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