Proposal: Carson Soucy to the Leafs for Muzzin +

[I am Canadian]

What would be the ask for the Leafs to dump Muzzin on Seattle in return for Soucy? Soucy can play both sides if I recall correctly.

Muzzin signed through 2023-24 at 5.625 and Soucy signed through 2022-2023 at 2.75 [UFA in summer 2023]

Would open up additional cap for the Leafs and obviously would need a significant sweetener from the Leafs.

What would it take?

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[cwede]

"..obviously would need a significant sweetener from the Leafs"

why? Muzzin a proven regular top 4 D, for a depth D, Soucy, whose never exceeded 62 GP in a season?

you can always hope a team might pay a premium for some Cap relief,
but it rarely plays out as the opportunistic fans hope ...

 

[Mrfenn92]

Don’t this is a move for Toronto to take

 

[jmelm]

Well a first round pick as the starting point, and then add a good prospect to that since the Leafs don't have a 2nd rounder in the next 2 years.

 

[jmelm]

@kevrondl

Your laugh suggests you don't know who Carson Soucy is or his value. SEA could have got a late 1st for him at the deadline if they were willing to trade him.

Toronto had to give up a 1st to get CAR to take Marleau for one season. Muzzin has 2 years left on his deal after this year and has signficant injury/durability concerns.

So add those 2 things up and what do you think, realistically, the Leafs would have to add for a Muzzin for Soucy trade?

 

[I am Canadian]

"..obviously would need a significant sweetener from the Leafs"

why? Muzzin a proven regular top 4 D, for a depth D, Soucy, whose never exceeded 62 GP in a season?

you can always hope a team might pay a premium for some Cap relief,
but it rarely plays out as the opportunistic fans hope ...

Muzzin has major injury concerns and he hasn't been playing like a top 4 this season at all.

 

[I am Canadian]

@kevrondl

Your laugh suggests you don't know who Carson Soucy is or his value. SEA could have got a late 1st for him at the deadline if they were willing to trade him.

Toronto had to give up a 1st to get CAR to take Marleau for one season. Muzzin has 2 years left on his deal after this year and has signficant injury/durability concerns.

So add those 2 things up and what do you think, realistically, the Leafs would have to add for a Muzzin for Soucy trade?

Do you have a source for that 1st round pick offer they received? Not really doubting as it seems pretty fair but would rather see the proof.

 

[OG Eberle]

@kevrondl

Your laugh suggests you don't know who Carson Soucy is or his value. SEA could have got a late 1st for him at the deadline if they were willing to trade him.

Toronto had to give up a 1st to get CAR to take Marleau for one season. Muzzin has 2 years left on his deal after this year and has signficant injury/durability concerns.

So add those 2 things up and what do you think, realistically, the Leafs would have to add for a Muzzin for Soucy trade?

If you add up everything in your post there, it realistically says that you don't watch the Leafs, don't pay attention to Muzzin at all, and that you actually don't know his value.

He isn't some cap dump with no value on a boat anchor of a contract lol. And I know that as an Oilers fan.

 

[57special]

This wouldn't be a bad move for Toronto if they could do it by sending a 2nd. Soucy isn't prime Muzzin, but Muzzin isn't prime Muzzin any more.
Only problem is that Soucy is only signed for one more year, so Dubas would just be kicking the can down the road a little ways.
Soucy is a good player.

 

[jmelm]

If you add up everything in your post there, it realistically says that you don't watch the Leafs, don't pay attention to Muzzin at all, and that you actually don't know his value.

He isn't some cap dump with no value on a boat anchor of a contract lol. And I know that as an Oilers fan.

Well given that I live in TOR and have season tickets, I'm plenty familiar with Muzzin's game.

He's a fine player when healhty, but long term health and durability is a huge questionmark and he's signed for 2 more years.

SEA would only be interested in Muzzin if they were confident they could flip him to another team -- but good luck with that, even with retention, given his health concerns, the flat cap, and the fact he's signed beyond next season, which reduces his value in the cap world at his age.

 

[jmelm]

This wouldn't be a bad move for Toronto if they could do it by sending a 2nd. Soucy isn't prime Muzzin, but Muzzin isn't prime Muzzin any more.
Only problem is that Soucy is only signed for one more year, so Dubas would just be kicking the can down the road a little ways.
Soucy is a good player.

Yes, but I think it goes without saying that the Leafs wouldn't do such a deal unless they were able to secure a contract extension with Soucy, and you could likely sign him to a long term deal that' about $1M -1.5M less per season than Muzzin, which is signficant cap savings for a team so tight against the cap.

 

[Flukeshot]

I think Soucy makes a lot of sense for TOR but Muzzin doesn't need to go back the other way to Seattle.

I think Muzzin has some value so the Leafs would be better off making two separate trades. Trade Muzzin for something, no value added. Then trade for Soucy alone be it pick/prospects.

 

[57special]

Yes, but I think it goes without saying that the Leafs wouldn't do such a deal unless they were able to secure a contract extension with Soucy, and you could likely sign him to a long term deal that' about $1M -1.5M less per season than Muzzin, which is signficant cap savings for a team so tight against the cap.

Yeah, he might sign a 5 x 4M contract. Hakstol not playing him in SEA had to have been a shocker, and will make him value the security. He is missed in MN.

 

[jmelm]

Yeah, he might sign a 5 x 4M contract. Hakstol not playing him in SEA had to have been a shocker, and will make him value the security. He is missed in MN.

I think SEA’s plan is to keep him unless they get an offer they can’t refuse.

Francis chose to not deal him at the deadline when there was plenty of interest and said he wanted to keep him. I am not sure, however, that Hakstol is the coach beyond this season.

 

[57special]

I think SEA’s plan is to keep him unless they get an offer they can’t refuse.

Francis chose to not deal him at the deadline when there was plenty of interest and said he wanted to keep him. I am not sure, however, that Hakstol is the coach beyond this season.

Hakstol has proven nothing as an NHL coach.

 

[jmelm]

Hakstol has proven nothing as an NHL coach.

Well that’s arguable. I think he’s proven he’s a bad NHL coach

 

[MisterT]

Well given that I live in TOR and have season tickets, I'm plenty familiar with Muzzin's game.

He's a fine player when healhty, but long term health and durability is a huge questionmark and he's signed for 2 more years.

SEA would only be interested in Muzzin if they were confident they could flip him to another team -- but good luck with that, even with retention, given his health concerns, the flat cap, and the fact he's signed beyond next season, which reduces his value in the cap world at his age.

Well if you live in Toronto you should know that the Marleau dump that necessitated a 1st being sent to Carolina was so that the Leafs could keep space to fend off an offer sheet on Marner. Not the case here with Muzzin and if his injury concerns are to the point whereby his career is jeopardized, then he'll go to Robidas Island.

So if Seattle pegs Soucy's value as a late 1st, would Robertson work as he'll be unlikely to get a top 6 roll in Toronto.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

@kevrondl

Your laugh suggests you don't know who Carson Soucy is or his value. SEA could have got a late 1st for him at the deadline if they were willing to trade him.

Toronto had to give up a 1st to get CAR to take Marleau for one season. Muzzin has 2 years left on his deal after this year and has signficant injury/durability concerns.

So add those 2 things up and what do you think, realistically, the Leafs would have to add for a Muzzin for Soucy trade?

Marleau and Muzzin are not even remotely the same situation for many reasons, not the least of which is Toronto has no core players that need new contracts, and no Jack Campbell is not a core player.

 

[Irie]

Well if you live in Toronto you should know that the Marleau dump that necessitated a 1st being sent to Carolina was so that the Leafs could keep space to fend off an offer sheet on Marner. Not the case here with Muzzin and if his injury concerns are to the point whereby his career is jeopardized, then he'll go to Robidas Island.

So if Seattle pegs Soucy's value as a late 1st, would Robertson work as he'll be unlikely to get a top 6 roll in Toronto.

Robertson would definitely be of interest to Seattle.

Francis would like to resign Soucy, he's been a really solid, top 4 two-way defender for the Kraken, but if Soucy is not interested in being part of a franchise "build" and doesn't extend this offseason, I think Francis has to at least kick the tires on a deal like this.

As for the original deal, Muzzin is of no Interest to the Kraken.

There was almost no young talent available in the expansion draft, so Francis had to take aging middle tier vets. His goal now is to slowly flip them for picks and prospects to build a farm and a younger team.

Worst case scenario, the kraken keep Soucy for their top 4 this season and move him for a late first at the dealine.

 

[kihei]

Robertson would definitely be of interest to Seattle.

Francis would like to resign Soucy, he's been a really solid, top 4 two-way defender for the Kraken, but if Soucy is not interested in being part of a franchise "build" and doesn't extend this offseason, I think Francis has to at least kick the tires on a deal like this.

As for the original deal, Muzzin is of no Interest to the Kraken.

There was almost no young talent available in the expansion draft, so Francis had to take aging middle tier vets. His goal now is to slowly flip them for picks and prospects to build a farm and a younger team.

Worst case scenario, the kraken keep Soucy for their top 4 this season and move him for a late first at the dealine.

Agree with this post entirely. Hope we keep Soucy who has become more valuable as the season progressed. But if circumstances necessitate a move Robertson would.be an attractive addition as we have way too few young, skilled prospects.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

or just wait until next years deadline and don't trade a top 4 D for him.

 

[GM Armchair]

or just wait until next years deadline and don't trade a top 4 D for him.

Muzzin is only a top 4 D in leaf land. He is garbage. His decline is going to be like throwing a rock into a lake.

 

[KrakenFan92]

Soucy for Knies+cap dump

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Soucy for Knies+cap dump

Zero chance the leafs give up knies for a player like soucy.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Muzzin is only a top 4 D in leaf land. He is garbage. His decline is going to be like throwing a rock into a lake.

Your absolutely wrong but don't let that stop you.