LeBrun: Carolina has talked to Anaheim about Gibson; "...the price is going to have to come down..."

[Three On Zero]

Anaheim needs to take the L on the trade. It's doing right by the player, and that kind of thing is underrated, even for success of the team. Its a distraction.
They have Dostal. Gibson's luster has worn off, but he's a tantalizing gamble for contender with good defense to try

Doing right by the player doesn’t mean you have to purposefully sell low on an asset. He’s contractually obligated to an employer. It needs to make sense to trade him, the fact they are willing to entertain trading him should be more than enough.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I have never made a thread on the trade board, nor did I bump this specific thread. No idea what you're talking about.



That's not the question I asked.

I'm talking about you being the most common poster in every single Gibson thread even, far more than any Ducks fan. You bumped the last one even though you weren't quoting anyone and just repeating yourself (have a look for yourself) and of your 2500 posts on this site, several hundred are ripping this same player. It's a weird obsession, there's so many topics to discuss in the hockey world. What about the notion of anyone thinking this particular player has any value, drives you to obsessive levels of rage to the point where you talk about Gibson more than any topic or anyone else here?

 

[thedjpd]

Sell low? Last night wasn't great but with with how Gibson started the season I would think that Anaheim would try to trade him as fast as possible fearing he'd turn back into the goalie we've seen the last 5 seasons.

It’s ok. They’re a bottom 5 team with him. They don’t want to trade him to be a bottom 5 team.

 

[Shane Diesel]

I'm talking about you being the most common poster in every single Gibson thread even, far more than any Ducks fan. You bumped the last one even though you weren't quoting anyone and just repeating yourself (have a look for yourself) and of your 2500 posts on this site, several hundred are ripping this same player. It's a weird obsession, there's so many topics to discuss in the hockey world. What about the notion of anyone thinking this particular player has any value, drives you to obsessive levels of rage to the point where you talk about Gibson more than any topic or anyone else here?

So you don't have an answer as to how trading Gibson would make Anaheim worse?

I don't know why basic questions upset you, but the rage is clearly all on your side. Also weird you've been counting my posts. Are you sure you aren't obsessed with me?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I can’t remember the last Carolina goalie who was a steady goalie for like a 3-5 year stretch. Ward? Feels like they are always looking for a goalie and it’s a carousel

 

[Mr Positive]

Doing right by the player doesn’t mean you have to purposefully sell low on an asset. He’s contractually obligated to an employer. It needs to make sense to trade him, the fact they are willing to entertain trading him should be more than enough.

Arguably the phrase "do right by the player" means that you are giving up some value. It's a way to excuse for losing the trade if player value is everything

In Gibson's case, his cap hit and stats basically doom him to stay in Anaheim, along with Anaheim still having use for him.

So you can say that Gibson signed his deal in good faith and should play out his deal, or you can do right by him and give him a chance to win (and btw you'd still get assets for him)

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Anaheim has got to be the stupidest team on planet Earth. The idiocy of that franchise just continues to astound me.

It’s not just the team… it’s the fans

They want to hold on to Gibson and Fowler forever

 

[bleedgreen]

I can’t remember the last Carolina goalie who was a steady goalie for like a 3-5 year stretch. Ward? Feels like they are always looking for a goalie and it’s a carousel

Rutherford was the last gm that was pretty good with the goalies. He draft Giguere, Ward and Anderson the first time around. RF’s scouts thought Scott Darling was a good idea and the current management seems to worry more about keeping costs down and getting good deals in net. It’s hard to imagine they go after Gibson without it being a relatively cheaper deal, which if there’s demand doesn’t make sense for the Ducks.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

I'd love to see Gibson on the Canes. I'm of the opinion a change of scenery would do him good, and he's still a good goalie I don't care what anybody says.

He kind of needs that new chapter in his career. Going through all those shit years with the Ducks would've been tough for anyone.

 

[57special]

When MN played him he looked checked out.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So you don't have an answer as to how trading Gibson would make Anaheim worse?

It's common sense to anyone coming in here with an ounce of logic and not just trying to hammer their obsessive agenda that Gibson is the worst goalie in the league. The contending teams calling about Gibson aren't going to be offering an equal or better goalie in return - in the eyes of anyone who isn't obsessively trying to prove he sucks. In all likelihood the Ducks end up with some future assets and are then forced to audition a lesser/unproven goalie behind Dostal if they make a Gibson trade. How little do you think of Carolina that you think they are giving the Ducks a better goalie or player for Gibson? You are making no sense.

You are just wanting to point out that he's the worst ever and anyone the Ducks throw in there 40-50 times per year would be better. Just don't feel the need to repeat it five times per thread.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Are we talking about the same Gibson they hasn’t hit sub 3 GAA since 2021? And above a .906 since 2019? I just want to make sure in case I’m looking at the wrong Gibson?

 

[OilersFanatics505]

cause hes not that good. avalanche moved on cause the price is too high. not many teams left that need goal tending upgrade.

Avalanche got a goalie with better stats at a lower asking price. Not many contending teams need goalies as most teams contending have established goalies.

 

[Shane Diesel]

It's common sense to anyone coming in here with an ounce of logic and not just trying to hammer their obsessive agenda that Gibson is the worst goalie in the league.

So explain it then. Shouldn't be hard if it's so obvious.

The contending teams calling about Gibson aren't going to be offering an equal or better goalie in return - in the eyes of anyone who isn't obsessively trying to prove he sucks. In all likelihood the Ducks end up with some future assets and are then forced to audition a lesser/unproven goalie behind Dostal if they make a Gibson trade. How little do you think of Carolina that you think they are giving the Ducks a better goalie or player for Gibson? You are making no sense.

Who said it would be a player? Could be future considerations or picks.

Also, GMs make horrific trades and signings every season. Just because a GM has interest is meaningless as to the future play of said player. This would be a legitimate argument if GMs were infallible. They're not.

But I am interested in learning more about the "Carolina theory of player evaluation." Is every skater the Hurricanes show even an iota of interest in a good player or is it just goalies? How did Carolina become the gold standard of player analysis? Do they ever miss when drafting?

You are just wanting to point out that he's the worst ever and anyone the Ducks throw in there 40-50 times per year would be better. Just don't feel the need to repeat it five times per thread.

The only thing I've repeated in this thread is a question asking you why you think the Ducks would be worse off without Gibson. You have a tough time staying on topic.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So explain it then. Shouldn't be hard if it's so obvious.

Who said it would be a player? Could be future considerations or picks.

Also, GMs make horrific trades and signings every season. Just because a GM has interest is meaningless as to the future play of said player. This would be a legitimate argument if GMs were infallible. They're not.

But I am interested in learning more about the "Carolina theory of player evaluation." Is every skater the Hurricanes show even an iota of interest in a good player or is it just goalies? How did Carolina become the gold standard of player analysis? Do they ever miss when drafting?


The only thing I've repeated in this thread is a question asking you why you think the Ducks would be worse off without Gibson. You have a tough time staying on topic.

We’d be fine without gibson…. Duck fans just stuck on the old guard

 

[WhatTheDuck]

So explain it then. Shouldn't be hard if it's so obvious.

Who said it would be a player? Could be future considerations or picks.

Also, GMs make horrific trades and signings every season. Just because a GM has interest is meaningless as to the future play of said player. This would be a legitimate argument if GMs were infallible. They're not.

But I am interested in learning more about the "Carolina theory of player evaluation." Is every skater the Hurricanes show even an iota of interest in a good player or is it just goalies? How did Carolina become the gold standard of player analysis? Do they ever miss when drafting?


The only thing I've repeated in this thread is a question asking you why you think the Ducks would be worse off without Gibson. You have a tough time staying on topic.

Just show your charts and move on. All you want is to say that putting any other goalie in the net makes them better because of GsAx. To a logical person they are obviously weakening their tandem and therefore their team if they trade Gibson - because they will be pairing Dostal with a lesser goalie..it's the most common sense concept and should go without saying. If there was a better goalie to turn around and acquire...someone who doesn't have a Dostal will outbid them. Common sense

 

[Jumptheshark]

The problem is his 10 team no trade clause list. DO we know who is on that list?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Carolina’s cap spending on goaltending in this era:

18-19: 7.11%
19-20: 8.01%
21: 8.01%
21-22: 7.98%
22-23: 7.88%
23-24: 6.89% (factoring in a buried penalty)
24-25: 6.14%

Average = 7.43%

At $92 mil, Gibson would need to come in at ~$4.84 mil to match the average in 25-26. Pretty much 25% retention.

This is independent of cap math needed for this season.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Just show your charts and move on. All you want is to say that putting any other goalie in the net makes them better because of GsAx.

Any standard metric of goaltender play, actually.

To a logical person they are obviously weakening their tandem and therefore their team if they trade Gibson - because they will be pairing Dostal with a lesser goalie..it's the most common sense concept and should go without saying. If there was a better goalie to turn around and acquire...someone who doesn't have a Dostal will outbid them. Common sense

This is why I ask, because any logical review of the situation would show the opposite and I truly don't understand the sentiment.

It was an honest question based on the record of Anaheim the past five seasons. The organization's first round draft picks the past five years has been: 6, 3, 10, 2, 3. I would think it would behoove all involved for a fresh start, but if you want him to stay in Anaheim I really don't care. One less team to worry about.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Carolina’s cap spending on goaltending in this era:

18-19: 7.11%
19-20: 8.01%
21: 8.01%
21-22: 7.98%
22-23: 7.88%
23-24: 6.89% (factoring in a buried penalty)
24-25: 6.14%

Average = 7.43%

At $92 mil, Gibson would need to come in at ~$4.84 mil to match the average in 25-26. Pretty much 25% retention.

This is independent of cap math needed for this season.

Comes in around 5-6M for Anaheim to eat over the rest of the deal, depending on the timing of the trade. Seems a lot more realistic now as we ease towards the final 2.5 years of the contract. Just would need to find that sweet spot where Anaheim feels they are getting enough that they aren't just moving him to move him. Then there's the issue of finding another goalie, had assumed they'd just take Georgiev if dealing with the Avs

 

[qc14]

Don't think I've ever seen someone who switched from ridiculously underrated to ridiculously overrated as quickly and completely as Gibson. He hasn't been good in 6 years!

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

If I'm GM I just doubled my price on trading Gibson.

Make a statement, and watch the world burn approach.

 

[joestevens29]

All the talk teams have had about acquiring Gibson the last half decade

Blank pages?

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Why does everyone want Gibson? I would want Dostal instead.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Comes in around 5-6M for Anaheim to eat over the rest of the deal, depending on the timing of the trade. Seems a lot more realistic now as we ease towards the final 2.5 years of the contract. Just would need to find that sweet spot where Anaheim feels they are getting enough that they aren't just moving him to move him. Then there's the issue of finding another goalie, had assumed they'd just take Georgiev if dealing with the Avs

Martin becomes expendable. Expiring contract.

Freddie may have to part of a trade, depending on his recovery timeline. Also expiring.