Value of: Carl Soderberg

[Cousin Eddie]

Big two way centre who succeeded as the Avs top shutdown centre last year but with Duchene being moved back to centre he's playing as the Avs 3C behind Duchene and Mackinnon. Plus with Grigorenko's growth and guys like Jost coming up through Soderberg will become pretty redundant to the Avs and unfortunately (mostly due to his eye sight) he doesn't play on the wing very well. He looks visually frustrated having to play 3rd line minutes when he's obviously capable of more so I'm wondering if maybe a trade could be in his future.

If he's moved what kind of value could he return? I doubt he'd be hauling back much but I'm curious if any teams would have any interest in adding him to play in their top 6.

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[KevinRedkey]

Assuming Colorado protects 4+4+1 in the draft, they would go:
MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Grigorenko, Johnson (NMC), Beauchemin (NMC), Barrie, Zadorov

That leaves Soderberg exposed, so he realistically could be traded. It's either him, or Varlamov/Pickard that gets picked.

Their best bet may be to trade Varlamov to the Stars for Lehtonen + picks/prospects, as well as trading Soderberg to someone else. Move forward with Pickard/Lehtonen and restock a little bit, without losing anyone important to Vegas.

PS: This is assuming they don't turn it around between now and the trade deadline.

 

[Goulet17]

Assuming Colorado protects 4+4+1 in the draft, they would go:
MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Grigorenko, Johnson (NMC), Beauchemin (NMC), Barrie, Zadorov

That leaves Soderberg exposed, so he realistically could be traded. It's either him, or Varlamov/Pickard that gets picked.

Their best bet may be to trade Varlamov to the Stars for Lehtonen + picks/prospects, as well as trading Soderberg to someone else. Move forward with Pickard/Lehtonen and restock a little bit, without losing anyone important to Vegas.

PS: This is assuming they don't turn it around between now and the trade deadline.

The Avs may leave Varlamov exposed in any event. How does trading him to Dallas benefit the Avs?

You mention the Avs trading Varlamov to Dallas for Lehtonen and picks/prospects. Those picks and/or prospects must be substantial. Lehtonen makes the same salary as Varlamov through 2017-2018, so the Avs would not even receive salary cap flexibility. It seems like a trade in which the Avs ask themselves how can we benefit a division rival with no measurable benefit to our organization?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Assuming Colorado protects 4+4+1 in the draft, they would go:
MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Grigorenko, Johnson (NMC), Beauchemin (NMC), Barrie, Zadorov

That leaves Soderberg exposed, so he realistically could be traded. It's either him, or Varlamov/Pickard that gets picked.

Their best bet may be to trade Varlamov to the Stars for Lehtonen + picks/prospects, as well as trading Soderberg to someone else. Move forward with Pickard/Lehtonen and restock a little bit, without losing anyone important to Vegas.

PS: This is assuming they don't turn it around between now and the trade deadline.

True. This makes Soderberg even more of a trade candidate.

As for Varlamov I don't see any real risk. If he has a bad year he will be exposed and likely unclaimed. If he has a great year he will be able to be traded at season's end just before expansion.

 

[Benstheman]

Habs would certanly be interested

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Habs would certanly be interested

Desharnais + Scherbak? Or would it have to be a lesser prospect?

 

[nuckfan insk]

Keep him, move jost instead

 

[KevinRedkey]

The Avs may leave Varlamov exposed in any event. How does trading him to Dallas benefit the Avs?

You mention the Avs trading Varlamov to Dallas for Lehtonen and picks/prospects. Those picks and/or prospects must be substantial. Lehtonen makes the same salary as Varlamov through 2017-2018, so the Avs would not even receive salary cap flexibility. It seems like a trade in which the Avs ask themselves how can we benefit a division rival with no measurable benefit to our organization?

I don't know what Dallas is willing to give up (hence no proposal), but if the Avs are going to lose Varlamov anyways, I disagree the return has to be substantial for simply taking on 1 year of Lehtonen, and playing Varly a few times per year. Lehtonen be a great 1B behind Pickard for his first full season (like Bernier for Gibson for example). Obviously it won't be done for a 7th round pick, but I also don't think it has to be a 1st.

 

[Goulet17]

I don't know what Dallas is willing to give up (hence no proposal), but if the Avs are going to lose Varlamov anyways, I disagree the return has to be substantial for simply taking on 1 year of Lehtonen, and playing Varly a few times per year. Lehtonen be a great 1B behind Pickard for his first full season (like Bernier for Gibson for example). Obviously it won't be done for a 7th round pick, but I also don't think it has to be a 1st.

Varlamov is signed for one more year than Lehtonen. What are the Avs going do, fall all over themselves to make this trade for a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice? Is that worth it for them to have a little additional cap space in 2018-2019. The logic is not particularly sound behind this idea in my opinion, hence the question, which was more rhetorical than anything.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Definitely be interested in getting him for the Habs, not sure what the Avs needs are.

 

[Riptide]

If COL thinks he'll be exposed in the draft, they should absolutely trade him. LV is going to have a hard time finding top 6 forwards and centers in particular. Little chance they'd pass on Sodo if he was exposed. And there's almost always teams looking for depth down the middle.

 

[HockeyHead21]

Definitely be interested in getting him for the Habs, not sure what the Avs needs are.

Top 6 forward who is mentally tough, can make and receive a pass, fits the age of the core, speedy, cost controlled, can score, doesn't take dumb penalties, can make sure Iginla never sees top 6 minutes again.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Definitely be interested in getting him for the Habs, not sure what the Avs needs are.

Top six wingers. Don't see Montreal trading any of the ones they have so the return would likely be a cap dump to fit Soda in along with a pick or prospect. Probably not great "Value" for Soderberg but if he's not going to be used properly and might be lost in expansion it's better to get some value for him.

As an Avs fan I'd love to get Sherby and Desharnais for him.

 

[HabsTown]

Top six wingers. Don't see Montreal trading any of the ones they have so the return would likely be a cap dump to fit Soda in along with a pick or prospect. Probably not great "Value" for Soderberg but if he's not going to be used properly and might be lost in expansion it's better to get some value for him.

As an Avs fan I'd love to get Sherby and Desharnais for him.

We have a deal sir !

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Top six wingers. Don't see Montreal trading any of the ones they have so the return would likely be a cap dump to fit Soda in along with a pick or prospect. Probably not great "Value" for Soderberg but if he's not going to be used properly and might be lost in expansion it's better to get some value for him.

As an Avs fan I'd love to get Sherby and Desharnais for him.

Would there be any interest in Charles Hudon? He's probably already NHL ready, has had two very good years in the AHL already and has 7 goals in 10 games to start this year.

Plays LW, very smart player with some skills.. with Lehkonen over now, it'll be hard for him to get a spot full time in Montreal this year but I think he can definitely play right now in the NHL.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Would there be any interest in Charles Hudon? He's probably already NHL ready, has had two very good years in the AHL already and has 7 goals in 10 games to start this year.

Plays LW, very smart player with some skills.. with Lehkonen over now, it'll be hard for him to get a spot full time in Montreal this year but I think he can definitely play right now in the NHL.

We've been hearing for the last year or two how good Hudon is as a prospect. If he's so good, why can't he crack the Habs' lineup? Why did he only get 3 games in the NHL last year, when de la Rose and McCarron each got 20+?

 

[BenG]

We've been hearing for the last year or two how good Hudon is as a prospect. If he's so good, why can't he crack the Habs' lineup? Why did he only get 3 games in the NHL last year, when de la Rose and McCarron each got 20+?

We (Habs fans) have no idea. It's as if management hates Hudon or does not believe in him. Perhaps it could be his skating but by now, he should have atleast gotten 20 games like other prospects.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Would there be any interest in Charles Hudon? He's probably already NHL ready, has had two very good years in the AHL already and has 7 goals in 10 games to start this year.

Plays LW, very smart player with some skills.. with Lehkonen over now, it'll be hard for him to get a spot full time in Montreal this year but I think he can definitely play right now in the NHL.

I've seen almost every one of Charlie's games this year and last. I love him and always vouch for him but I still don't know if he has the body to ever be a successful NHL'er. I'd just prefer Scherbak if he could be had.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

We've been hearing for the last year or two how good Hudon is as a prospect. If he's so good, why can't he crack the Habs' lineup? Why did he only get 3 games in the NHL last year, when de la Rose and McCarron each got 20+?

McCarron/DLR played in the Habs bottom six, they're more suited there than an offensive guy like Hudon.