Confirmed Signing with Link: [CAR] Jesperi Kotkaniemi signs offersheet with the Hurricanes (1 year, $6.100035M)

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Spin it any way you want, but they offered 1.5 million for a Calder finalist who plays a position they needed the most. When the player wanted around double that, they traded him. The fact that they offered 1.5 million says they want him back. It wasn't only a money problem, but money was part of the problem.

Yes, they offered him a contract, and when he asked for more, they traded him. Not because they couldn't afford to pay him more, but because they didn't think he was worth more.

Evidence that they could have paid him more, but chose not to, includes the fact that they signed Andersen at $4.5 million per year, and Raanta at $2.0 million per year. Also, here we are a month later, and the team just signed Kotkaniemi $6.1 million offer sheet.


I'm not sure what part of this you aren't understanding.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Don't want none? don't start none

I want all the smoke.

 

[Mr Positive]

It must have been discussed already but...

- With KK's salary, Canes are now over the cap
- With Aho, Trocheck and Staal at C already, one of them will have to go.
- With the contract he just signed, KK is suddenly almost untradeable. The team that owns him will have to sign qualifying offer at $6,1 M every year from now on. Sure, he could fulfill his potential and make it worth the money, but as of right now, his trade value just dropped to almost nothing.
- So if Montreal doesn't match the offer, Canes are stuck with him and need to shed salary, which is not an easy task so late in the summer.
- They might actually have to pay a team to take salary, unless they are willing to give a good player.
- Staal or Trocheck are the most likely candidates to be traded. But I doubt any team are willing to give something to get them and help the Canes.

So...

For the privilege of getting KK on a bad contract, Canes could end up paying up a 1st + a 3rd + Trocheck or Staal + whatever they need to pay to convince a team to take them.

Is this really worth it? They better hope KK becomes a stud!

Theres lots of aging centers there. Maybe the hockey reason for the trade is to have KK be an investment. They could play him on the wing with Staal to learn from him. Maybe they saw that he was still raw in Montreal and figured maybe some time on the wing makes sense

 

[kp61c]

It must have been discussed already but...

- With KK's salary, Canes are now over the cap
- With Aho, Trocheck and Staal at C already, one of them will have to go.
- With the contract he just signed, KK is suddenly almost untradeable. The team that owns him will have to sign qualifying offer at $6,1 M every year from now on. Sure, he could fulfill his potential and make it worth the money, but as of right now, his trade value just dropped to almost nothing.
- So if Montreal doesn't match the offer, Canes are stuck with him and need to shed salary, which is not an easy task so late in the summer.
- They might actually have to pay a team to take salary, unless they are willing to give a good player.
- Staal or Trocheck are the most likely candidates to be traded. But I doubt any team are willing to give something to get them and help the Canes.

So...

For the privilege of getting KK on a bad contract, Canes could end up paying up a 1st + a 3rd + Trocheck or Staal + whatever they need to pay to convince a team to take them.

Is this really worth it? They better hope KK becomes a stud!

The Habs will match.

 

[cyris]

A calder finalist at 3 million at a position you desperately need to improve on isn't worth the price?

Carolina management clearly didn’t think so. But please explain to me how they saved money by paying Andersen more?

 

[Ishad]

The Habs will match.

Who are they trading in order to match?

 

[Just Linda]

Do we have any confirmation that he can't be traded for 1 year after signing the offer sheet? I went through the CBA and I couldn't find that detail but I do often miss things.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The Habs will match.

And then they are over 89 million

 

[ole ole]

A lot of salty Habs fans!

Really where? We get a 1st +3rd rd pick for a 3rd line C and save on paying 6.1 mil or him.
Thank you Car.

 

[The Great Weal]

Yes, they offered him a contract, and when he asked for more, they traded him. Not because they couldn't afford to pay him more, but because they didn't think he was worth more.

Evidence that they could have paid him more, but chose not to, includes the fact that they signed Andersen at $4.5 million per year, and Raanta at $2.0 million per year. Also, here we are a month later, and the team just signed Kotkaniemi $6.1 million offer sheet.


I'm not sure what part of this you aren't understanding.

Carolina management clearly didn’t think so. But please explain to me how they saved money by paying Andersen more?

As I have said before, money clearly isn't the only problem with Ned, but it was absolutely a factor. They could have went for Andersen because they HAD to because they have no goalie and Hamilton not coming back might have been a factor too since they will have more money now that he isn't back.

 

[PromisedLand]

Exactly this. As usual, this place massively overrates draft picks.

The Habs will match.

if habs match 6.1 for KK and his QO is 6.1; what do you think Suzuki and Caulfield will be looking for?

 

[Michoulicious]

The Habs will match.

I really don't think they do.

At that arb rights, KK is basically a negative value asset, unfortunately.

 

[JustAHabFan]

KK offersheet clearly an overpayment. I wished we would have done the same with Aho. The Habs made it too easy for the Canes to match.

 

[cyris]

Who are they trading in order to match?

No one they have space once Weber is on LTIR

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Naw, Weber was a star and franchise icon. KK was a healthy scratch at the end of their playoff run and awful the last 2 years. Let Carolina use the money they didn't give Dougie Hamilton to pay KK to be their 4th line C and take the picks.

if it were the easy, MTL would have accepted it already. just let go a top 5 pick that you've been developing, plays a premium position that you team DESPERATELY needs for a 24ish and 80ish picks?
this seems like quite a log CAR has put them over

 

[Fatass]

And then they are over 89 million

ARe they allowed to home that much over that much?

 

[Svechhammer]

Imagine watching this play out and still coming to the conclusion that Tom Dundon is a cheap owner

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Have a couple of threads bookmarked to see how the narrative changes (once again) when Montréal stupidly matches the offer sheet.

 

[SC2GM]

I feel like the Canes are just justifying why the system is in place and would work -- if there wasn't a gentleman's agreement with all the other clubs to not use it. You can either use a tool or come up with unwritten rules to not use it... But, if your way of getting back at another team is by making them happy... then your logic is probably lacking and you were probably wrong to begin with.

Watch it be 10 D chess going on, where Bergevin refused to trade the guy, acting like he was untouchable, just to BAIT the canes into doing exactly this. The old and prophetic adage: "Congratulations, you played yourself." If it were any other GM, I'd actually bet on this angle. I feel like this has to help Tarasenko, though. Like, really... you're willing to pay 6 million for this player but not 7.5 for Tarasenko? Come on. There's no way this gets matched, right?

 

[Ishad]

No one they have space once Weber is on LTIR

Can’t put Weber on the ltir now. Can’t go over the cap by more than 10%. Matching puts them over by more than 10%. Someone has to move for them to match.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

This is a pretty interesting chess move. I'm curious to see how it plays out.

I'm interested in what would be worth more in a package for another center. Kotka, or the 1 and 3 picks

 

[trentmccleary]

Walk away. At that salary, some team isn't going to tender him a qualifying offer and will lose him for nothing.

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

ARe they allowed to home that much over that much?

can be over by 10% in the offseason

 

[George Clooney]

Imagine watching this play out and still coming to the conclusion that Tom Dundon is a cheap owner

Uhh, its only one year. That doesnt scream rich owner . After his summer, he still looks cheap.

 

[JustAHabFan]

if it were the easy, MTL would have accepted it already. just let go a top 5 pick that you've been developing, plays a premium position that you team DESPERATELY needs for a 24ish and 80ish picks?
this seems like quite a log CAR has put them over

Matching would have been worst. You pay your 2C 6M for the next two years. And KK was 3C the year before. This year is his first year as 2C on the Habs. Not sure why the Canes do this? About and Trotheck are better than KK now. You get KK to play 3C in Carolina?