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Portable Mink said:
I have seen enough from Phillips to say hes not going to cut it.

Far too weak and turns it over way too much.

Could he pull a Marty StLouis? Of course its possible but very very very unlikely.
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Wild stuff really.
 
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twabby said:
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Wild stuff really.
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This is were I struggle to find meaning in the Phillips debate.

Sure, he should probably playing more but there are much bigger issues here than deployment of Phillips. It's a crappy team and management should be working hard at selling of some of the aging assets while they still have value. You got the entire core group, minus Strome, completely falling apart and I find it difficult to care about what does or doesn't happen to Phillips.

If your team's best players are Strome, Mantha, Protas, Phillips and the like, you are going nowhere.
 
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Ridley Simon said:
Totally Wild!!!

As is the 1 goal and 5 points in 18 games played.

You want a top 6F to be playing at a 4H and 20pts pace, I mean— that’s tremendous!

“It’s GOLD Jerry…….GOLD!!”
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I'm not going to claim he's lighting the world up, but for a guy who gets 10 minutes a game what type of production do you expect? He's significantly outscoring Wilson, Strome, and Ovechkin at 5v5 on a rate basis, for example. He's scoring right in line with guys like Mantha and McMichael who have been considered solid players this year.

Ideally he's probably a third line dude on a good team but given the other options he's probably a top 6er on this team. His defensive impacts are the best on the team, despite the claims that he's too much of a liability out there. Good outcomes happen when he's out there. He doesn't take dumb penalties.

I guess people see what they want to see. But I leave everyone with this ancient proverb:

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight that matters, but the size of the fight in the dog."

-Confucius, c. 500 BC
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traparatus said:
I think they would realistically offer a 1st round pick.
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Not even a chance. I broached this on the Leafs board and they basically shot me down. Although, one Leaf fan said if the Caps retain some of Kuemper's cap hit. I suggested $3 million total, with $1 million per year for the 3 years left on the contract after this season. Leafs have a lot of LTIR cap space to take Kuemper's full cap hit for this season. Regarding retaining part of Kumper's cap hit, I would be fine with it but I'm not sure Greedy Ted would. If you look at the Caps history since Ted took over, they have been one of the cheapest teams in terms of retaining salary on trades.
 
traparatus said:
This is were I struggle to find meaning in the Phillips debate.

Sure, he should probably playing more but there are much bigger issues here than deployment of Phillips. It's a crappy team and management should be working hard at selling of some of the aging assets while they still have value. You got the entire core group, minus Strome, completely falling apart and I find it difficult to care about what does or doesn't happen to Phillips.

If your team's best players are Strome, Mantha, Protas, Phillips and the like, you are going nowhere.
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It's more of a big-picture debate for me. Yeah if they promote Phillips to the first line and give him 18 minutes a night they're still going to stink. There are too many bigger fish to fry and he's not that good.

But I think how people analyze a guy like Phillips is going to heavily inform how they land on other, more impactful decisions. For instance I think there is an incredibly strong correlation between how people feel about Phillips and how they feel about Tom Wilson and his contract.
 
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I just gonna say it. Twabby has no common sense and just tries to shove advanced stats into ppl's faces to support his argument, currently it's Phillips and he does this plenty so with forcing arguments for other players that most wouldn't agree on. Phillips is a good AHL player, but a fringe NHL player if a team has too many injuries. He's not a good enough player, end of the story.
 
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twabby said:
It's more of a big-picture debate for me. Yeah if they promote Phillips to the first line and give him 18 minutes a night they're still going to stink. There are too many bigger fish to fry and he's not that good.

But I think how people analyze a guy like Phillips is going to heavily inform how they land on other, more impactful decisions. For instance I think there is an incredibly strong correlation between how people feel about Phillips and how they feel about Tom Wilson and his contract, for instance.
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But a moose stomps a mouse, every single time. No matter which costs more.

Heck, even 8 mice (Phillips salary) doesn’t match 1 moose (Wilson’s salary).

These 2 are bad comparables, since they are such polar opposite players.
 
Stanley cup 2018 and the use of the young guys from Hershey at the right time. He is managing a transition with the right coach for it.
 
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VaCaps Fan said:
Stanley cup 2018 and the use of the young guys from Hershey at the right time. He is managing a transition with the right coach for it.
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This is what happens when a team is a competitive for 15 years. You trade away draft picks almost every year and all your picks are late in each round.

The good news is the Caps aren't complete dog shit (yet) and they have some promising young players.
 
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You know what I hate about these debates about guys like Phillips….they drive a wedge into the fan base, because one side is pumping scoring pace and the other recognizes actual production and the physical limitations.

Hell, give Phillips 18 a night on the top line for 10 games….I suspect he might not physically survive, much less be good against the top defensive coverages for any length of time. We all want Caps players to succeed, but I see a level of understanding reality a bit more on one side.

It’s a disingenuous argument meant to stir up the boards.
 
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If Oshie is that close to returning then it seems almost guaranteed he will get a roster spot even though he has looked pretty bad so far this season.

That means Phillips or maybe Milano will be scratched. Milano has been very average the last few games (I didn't watch the Dallas game so don't know if he played better in that one).

Malenstyn is playing, why? Because he's big and is a good 4th line guy? I can't imagine Phillips or Milano (or Oshie) would be a candidate for the 4th line?

Finally - Lapierre. Doesn't seem to be ready to displace anybody at this time? Does he get sent down when Oshie returns or will one of Lujo or Alexeev go?
 
CapitalsCupReality said:
You know what I hate about these debates about guys like Phillips….they drive a wedge into the fan base, because one side is pumping scoring pace and the other recognizes actual production and the physical limitations.

Hell, give Phillips 18 a night on the top line for 10 games….I suspect he might not physically survive, much less be good against the top defensive coverages for any length of time. We all want Caps players to succeed, but I see a level of understanding reality a bit more on one side.

It’s a disingenuous argument meant to stir up the boards.
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What confuses me is this distinction you're inventing between scoring pace and "actual production". Do you actually understand the concept of pace? I don't mean to be condescending, but I can explain it if that would help.

Nobody thinks Phillips is more than a marginal player one a decent team. The point is that this is not a good team, and we've got guys all over who have either declined physically or don't care. He at least gives a good effort and plays a smart and crafty game. I don't see any reason to give up on him
 
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bacchist said:
What confuses me is this distinction you're inventing between scoring pace and "actual production". Do you actually understand the concept of pace? I don't mean to be condescending, but I can explain it if that would help.

Nobody thinks Phillips is more than a marginal player one a decent team. The point is that this is not a good team, and we've got guys all over who have either declined physically or don't care. He at least gives a good effort and plays a smart and crafty game. I don't see any reason to give up on him
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Not going to argue semantics.

The difference is Twabby appears to believe if you simply load him up with ice time, that pace would translate to the points he’s paced at….I disagree.

I think you simply like Phillips a lot more than most fans and your support is admirable, but if you believe his pace would translate to big offensive production with 18 mins a night on the top line, seeing top D coverage, I disagree.

I haven’t given up on him….he‘s exactly that a smart, but marginal player on a meh team….keep him around….just don’t expect much. I pull for him to succeed just like any Caps player, I just don’t believe he’ll ever be much more than he is currently at this level.
 
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Phillips he had one shift last night that totally sums up his time with the capitals on the offensive side of the zone he kept the puck in dumped it down deep got it back, and almost did a twister like past that lead to a near goal

seconds later, the puck was on the other side of the ice. The defense got possession, cleared it up. The boards Phillips had the puck , got outmuscled turned the puck over and then We get pinned and leads to more scoring chances
 
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SecretaryofDefense5 said:
I’m no Phillips fan but who are we clamoring to have take his spot in the line-up?

The Caps aren’t exactly packed full of awesome players at the moment.
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I’ve seen some here saying they’ve seen enough, or they are done with him. He’s fine in our limited lineup….leave him in there….just don’t expect a ton.

I’m clamoring for a trade to infuse some talent…..but if they brought up Miro for example….are you pitching a fit if Phillips sits then? I’m not.
 
bacchist said:
Yeah, but these stats are just based on things that happen on the ice that lead to goals and wins. All that really matters is how it makes you feel when you see him out there.
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Expected goals isn't a real thing. All that really matters is actual goals.

With that said I like Phillips, I don't get why people are on him.
 
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