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SherVaughn30 said:
I have to disagree. Laine in CBJ seems to be a stale situation and Kuzy with us. 1 for 1 would make some sense. Both players would be given a new chance at a fresh start. Laine is more of a shooter, while Kuzy is more of a playmaker. Caps need another talented shooter. CBJ might not necessarily need Kuzy, but they get out of a slightly smaller cap hit a year sooner.
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Yes both are stale, but thats about that when looking at team needs and structure, especially for Columbus. and the timing and surroundings doesnt look like CBJ had Kuzy on radar, not to go on with his NTC too.

What is obvious imo, Kuzy-type is not at all what CBJ should be looking for. Pretty much worst possible role model for their young upcoming core with few young russians in aswell. Cocaine parties and whining about coaches and organisation should gel well for them :) if kuzy ever finds a new address, id expect it to be a veteran team with existing strong leadership group.

Mantha for Laine makes more sense, but id be suprised if CBJ is ready to completely give up with Laine and send him out as s cap dump. He is still ”only” 25 and they still just recently splashed the big deal for him. Even we have older ”prospects” we hope to break out.
 
bacchist said:
Kind of shocked that everyone is turning their nose up Laine. He's not perfect, but we'd be better with him.
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He would probably help us but it just seems like we’d be trading one disinterested euro for another. I guess it’s worth it just to shake it up. Where would you put him on the pp? He plays ovys spot.
 
Monsterrain said:
He would probably help us but it just seems like we’d be trading one disinterested euro for another. I guess it’s worth it just to shake it up. Where would you put him on the pp? He plays ovys spot.
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Play 5 forwards, replace Carlson. He's worthless out there now anyways. Can't make a clean pass to Ovi and hits the net one in every 10 shots.
 
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bacchist said:
Kind of shocked that everyone is turning their nose up Laine. He's not perfect, but we'd be better with him.
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Initially i was excited about Laine but after some thought i decided against it. This team needs youth and speed. They need young guys who can keep their feet moving all night and not be gassed when they get to the bench. Laine is still young but he was never fast.
 
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NO to any headcase fixer upper projects.

They need to either

1) Grab a solid, proven veteran or blue chip top 6er without mortgaging the future or prospects (LOL)
2) "Keep the powder dry" on filling that position until they know more about what they really have in the pipeline

If they're not serious about the playoffs this year then they may as well dump guys like Kuzy and give the kids a chance.

If they're serious about the playoffs they have to either get Kuzy fixed (more LOL) or get him upgraded.

It seems like they're going with the latter for now. We'll see if that changes as the standings shuffle.
 
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How does one upgrade over Kuznetsov without giving up decent futures for a player that isn't somewhat dodgy? Best case asset-wise is weaponizing their cap space and being willing to tolerate some risk in the process. A cooked core doesn't deserve dumping futures to prop up further. Just let it run its course.

I don't know if Laine is that guy. He's not that fast nor the brightest. He can snipe. Whoever they can happen to target is probably not going to be risk-free. They're going to have to have a plan with them as well. Let's hope the plan is better and the player is more receptive/mature. They may very well be stuck with 92, though, given the long list of associated negatives.

This is a mid team probably at best without a Vezina Lindgren so, again, they should just let it fall apart if that's all this core can manage. MacLellan has to own it but a lot of these issues were foreseen and their hands were (and are) tied.
 
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Langway said:
How does one upgrade over Kuznetsov without giving up decent futures for a player that isn't somewhat dodgy? Best case asset-wise is weaponizing their cap space and being willing to tolerate some risk in the process. A cooked core doesn't deserve dumping futures to prop up further. Just let it run its course.

I don't know if Laine is that guy. He's not that fast nor the brightest. He can snipe. Whoever they can happen to target is probably not going to be risk-free. They're going to have to have a plan with them as well. Let's hope the plan is better and the player is more receptive/mature. They may very well be stuck with 92, though, given the long list of associated negatives.

This is a mid team probably at best without a Vezina Lindgren so, again, they should just let it fall apart if that's all this core can manage. MacLellan has to own it but a lot of these issues were foreseen and their hands were (and are) tied.
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Big difference between a guy who's got talent and is just underperforming vs someone who's an alleged headcase.

Which one describes Laine is not my call
 
g00n said:
Big difference between a guy who's got talent and is just underperforming vs someone who's an alleged headcase.

Which one describes Laine is not my call
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Laine had a slow start last year and ended the season at a point per game pace over the final 48 games, so he's clearly got talent. But that doesn't exactly rule out being a headcase.
 
Langway said:
How does one upgrade over Kuznetsov without giving up decent futures for a player that isn't somewhat dodgy?
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That's the thing about him being one of the worst players in the league. Almost anyone you replace him with is an upgrade. You're talking about a player who is statistically worse than 99% of the league. That's not hyperbole, and watching the games confirms it night after night. You upgrade by simply getting rid of him.
 
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bacchist said:
That's the thing about him being one of the worst players in the league. Almost anyone you replace him with is an upgrade. You're talking about a player who is statistically worse than 99% of the league. That's not hyperbole, and watching the games confirms it night after night. You upgrade by simply getting rid of him.
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That’s my thought in waiving his ass….I’d like to see if a little humility can be found….
 
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Many good takes on here this morning.

I agree Laine isn't optimal as there can be better options for the growing cap space pool over the next 2 - 3 years. An example of what I mean could be an opportunity to get a great young D talant for then-beter-identified surplus young talent + a goalie + a year-out-from-that-point 1st.

Kuzy is such an enigma. He could still bounce back and may be in demand at the TD or in the Summer. I'd be very happy to get a 1st and maybe a 2nd if there are teams that are suddenly close to a playoff spot with Cap space and an abundance of picks (like Nashville who have 2 1sts in 2025 and 3 2nds this year, and Chicago who have 2 1sts both in 2024 and 2025 and 3 2nds in 2024 and 2026 and 2 2nds in 2025). If we moved Kuzy for post 2024 picks we may get more, and they can be more chips to throw in with any surplus young players for a great D trade in 2 or 3 years.

I'm thinking we see a Ovi revival in January or maybe a little later. There have been a lot of changes - his Dad, new coach, 19 gone, etc...
 
HTFN said:
Would hardly be the first performer to develop a reliance on cocaine to "bring it", stage performers get that all the time. Kinetic musicians and comedians seem pretty big on it
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Watch this from 20:30 - 30:00. Chuck Ruff on drums. 1973 Grammy for best/most use of Peruvian Marching Powder!! :DD

 
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Has Kuzy turned a corner, at least in his thinking? So weird to hear him talking like this.
"It's shit," he said bluntly.

"You gotta accept sometimes and trust the process, and I feel like there is a lot more into it. That was a bad, bad day and bad finish over there, right... for me, probably yes," Kuznetsov said regarding whether he agreed with the scratch. "Lke I said, I love Carbs so much. I trust what he’s doing and he's trying to help me find my game and get better and help the team, because I know that I gotta be better in every areas... I have to play better hockey. That’s the answer."

“I feel like we’ve been missing those 15-20 points by me, and that’s 20 goals. If we could score those 20 goals, we’d probably be top-10 in the league in regard to scoring, so that’s what we’re missing," Kuznetsov said. "And I understand that. I’m not the guy who’s gonna be making a lot of money and walking around happy when hockey’s not good. I wanna play better, I wanna succeed here and I want my team to celebrate every game.”

“That was shit. It's not easy to watch the game or be not with the team or kind of step away one day and unfortunately not able to help the team and especially in that game... I felt bad because I felt like I had to be there and had to help the team better in every areas," he explained.

"I feel like I want to kill someone since yesterday, in a good way, you know... probably, I learn something about this later in my career when I'm going to have time to sit back and think about it. But so far, I understand what it was saying. At that point, it's hard to accept, but like I said, I trust him so much," Kuznetsov said. "I want to believe in him, and he want to believe in me. I feel like we have a great relationship, so I kind of understand that I need to be better."

"Those people putting a lot of pressure and a lot of bad words on my name, I’ll pay back one day and use that as a motivation," he smiled.
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Knowing is half the battle….but then again, lip service is cheap. Let’s see him put up or shut up.

Nice to see him back up what I’ve thought for a while now…..he’d want to shove it down the Cap’s throats if they move him.
 
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I feel like I want to kill someone since yesterday, in a good way, you know...

LOL
 
CapitalsCupReality said:
Knowing is half the battle….but then again, lip service is cheap. Let’s see him put up or shut up.

Nice to see him back up what I’ve thought for a while now…..he’d want to shove it down the Cap’s throats if they move him.
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Definitely agree with you. My only thing is that Kuzy doesn’t seem like he’d be one to lip service. He says it how it is right or wrong.

I am hoping this is him turning a corner, but we won’t know until we know.
 
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