Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2023-24 Regular Season Edition
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Feel like next game has to determine a lot as far as the trade deadline goes. I feel like if we lose to the Flyers we have to be sellers (I think we should be sellers no matter what).
I’d like to see a move like this. young player but 150+ games played. Can’t find time on another team. Can help us compete immediately and for future.
going after RFA’s can be expensive, but I would pay that right now. I’d give up a first for Mittelstadt. Trade Dowd for a first as part of the portfolio.
Lappy looks good but he may have to be 4C if we are to compete next two years. Better than Sutter (and I like him).
trick9
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This isn't a great UFA group. It's not brutal, but it's thin, and it's going to be tough to get the top guys given where we are right now. Especially without overpaying.
Few smart signings, potential forwards that you can try in the top-6 and possibly flip at the deadline. There should be guys like that available. Possibly a guy like Jason Zucker could be one guy that would be willing to take another 1-year deal. Another key thing would be to acquire a playmaker which this team sorely lacks.
2025 is the UFA group to target. Most of those players aren't going to make it there but... Draisatl, Rantanen, Marner, Theodore and lots of great players. There should be atleast one big fish that will actually hit the UFA market.
Caps have the cap space to overpay for a guy if they take a 1 year contract. Like Duchene then they could either see if he is enough help to be a playoff team or flip at the TDL at 50 %. But I guess Duchene might prefer less money and a top contender instead.
trick9
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Most players don't really take 1-year deals, they prefer term and job security. That's why it'd likely be tough with top guys, especially with cap rising. But every year there are going to be players that aren't getting the offers they want and rather bank on themselves for a short 1-year deal with more money. Guys like Henrique, Zucker, Domi, Tarasenko, Teravainen could be those kind of guys.
Teravainen and Novak look like interesting guys to target for me. Teravainen has had a bit of a bounce back season but i don't think Canes are going to give him the money he could get elsewhere. He's also coming off of poor last season which might put teams off on giving him the term he might want. He would be a really good fit here IMO, because he's a really great playmaker, and that'd would help us a lot, and help Ovechkin closer to the record, too. Novak is more of a shooter but he's a really underrated offensive player, IMO. Also might be a guy that doesn't get what he wants from the market.
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I don’t know Mittelstadt that well, but he always struck me as a guy who plays smaller than he is and isn’t as quick as you’d want him to be for a guy that plays small. I look at how Protas is developing, and would love to be able to target an undeveloped C with size and quickness - and with hands and vision that are not yet - but still could - emerge as NHL or even elite level.
In other words, look to see if there’s a Protas type in an organization that won’t or can’t be as patient with that guy as we’ve been with Protas
In other words, look to see if there’s a Protas type in an organization that won’t or can’t be as patient with that guy as we’ve been with Protas
Sabres and Devils looks as suitable trading partners. Both teams have a lot of young talent, both teams want to start winning, both teams are thin on goalie and good vets.
From Sabres Mittelstadt is the obvious fit. Mercer and Holtz from Devils.
Take a van and wrap up Lindgren or Kuemper, Dowd, one or two seconds for '25 and maybe an Edmundson and go knocking on their doors.
Another interesting team is Blue Jackets. They'll likely regroup first, but maybe Kent Johnson is avaivable? We dont propably have pieces thats attracting for CBJ, but thats a direction id keep my eyes open on the summer.
From Sabres Mittelstadt is the obvious fit. Mercer and Holtz from Devils.
Take a van and wrap up Lindgren or Kuemper, Dowd, one or two seconds for '25 and maybe an Edmundson and go knocking on their doors.
Another interesting team is Blue Jackets. They'll likely regroup first, but maybe Kent Johnson is avaivable? We dont propably have pieces thats attracting for CBJ, but thats a direction id keep my eyes open on the summer.
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Last night was a giant smack in the face. The season is on the line Friday against Philly.
Carberry has to break up the top line, it’s awful.
We have TWO good young centers. No reason one of them cannot skate with Ovechkin, to make up for defensive difficulties.
Carberry has to break up the top line, it’s awful.
We have TWO good young centers. No reason one of them cannot skate with Ovechkin, to make up for defensive difficulties.
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I mean, even allowing for him being 38, Ovie's got to take some accountability for the fact that for a lot of shifts he's just a f***ing statue in the D zone, even when we're hemmed in for long periods of time. It's an adapt or die league - and it's just no longer tenable to have a guy play that many minutes per game if he can only be counted on to move his feet when the puck is heading into the attack zone. He's adapted before with Trotz - but that was almost 10 years ago now. There's another level of adapting to get to, because he's older and slower and the league is younger and faster.
I also think the full 2 minutes on the PP has got to be curtailed - the last 30-45 seconds of the PPs are increasingly scary. It's hard for him to beat guys to 50-50 pucks, and it's hard for him to contain the play from going the other way when he can't. I don't think the risk-reward on having him out there the full 2 minutes for every PP is worth it anymore.
I await the slings and arrows. Not hating, just conveying what I see.
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Re. this year's UFA crop ... with Nicky and Kuzy seemingly completely out of the picture, and the challenges we've seen in the Ovie-Strome-Willie line, are there any UFA centers or RWs (or even trade targets with a year left on their contract) who might be willing to take a discount for the prospect of feeding Ovie for #895 in a couple of years? That is, assuming 8 can play more like his last 15 or so games than he did in his first 40.
Should not be any slings or arrows. It’s perfectly acceptable. Hell, we saw it last night with the back breaking shortie we gave up.
That basically ended the game
If there's any truth to the speculation let's throw everything at Ottawa to get Brady Tkachuk.
Leonard-Wilson-Tkachuk would be....fun
Leonard-Wilson-Tkachuk would be....fun
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They'll have to replace the doors on the penalty box at Capital One with saloon doors.
But I definitely like the idea!
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Both are good fits for Edmonton. I'd ask for a first round pick for each though. Maybe send back a later round pick for the trouble.
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Folks hoping for a 1st round pick for guys like Mantha or Lindgren were always likely to be disappointed. I think Dowd may still be doable with retention. But largely they're going to end up stocking up on 2nds, 3rds, and B-prospects more than the flood of 1sts they got with the 2004 fire sale.
Not all worked up about 1st round returns as it looks like a bit of a weak/crap shoot draft.
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You might see two 2nd's rather than a 1st. A 2024 2nd rounder is probably more like a 3rd in a good draft year. A 2025 2nd rounder will probably be better value. I'm just guessing here that Mantha maybe worth two 2nd's and Dowd might be worth a 2nd + 3rd. As we get closer to trade deadline day and till the last minute, competition starts to ante up with bidding wars. GM BMac will get better value towards the last minute. If a top 5 team wants Mantha/Dowd, then it's possible a 1st rounder can be had(with the draft position somewhere between #27 - #32.
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I was also surprised by the return, especially in a draft that is reported to not be very deep. I suspect Tanev has made his intentions to test the free agent market in the summer clear. If he was willing to do a trade and sign an extension in Dallas, he would have commanded far more or they would have added a conditional pick on him resigning. Dallas paid the rental price on a player that had Calgary cornered, so it may not be indicative of the overall TDL market. This is a nice pick up by Dallas.
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It's still better than what i expected. Also it's kind of tough to value Grushnikov right now given... we know nothing about him. You watch his stat sheet but that hardly means much for a defensive D.
I never expected us to get a 1st for either Mantha or Lindgren. Lindgren would have been doable only if we took a goalie cap dump in return. With Mantha... scoring wingers just rarely go for that unless they are elite. My threshold would be a 2nd rounder since a return of 3rd, especially late would be such a bad return.
Dowd kind of depends on teams desperation levels... he isn't valued at 1st around the league BUT... there are teams that are really close to the cap and want to do something. There aren't many options for teams like that and adding a guy that can anchor your 3th or 4th line well for a ~0.65m cap hit might just be tempting enough. Especially for a team who needs cap help for next season, too.
This is likely going to be a pretty 'meh' deadline for us but hoping for some excitement in general around the league. Teams should start moving quickly now that one of the big D's is gone. Perhaps teams start calling on Jensen/TvR a bit more now, too. Especially if Walker ends up staying.
I never expected us to get a 1st for either Mantha or Lindgren. Lindgren would have been doable only if we took a goalie cap dump in return. With Mantha... scoring wingers just rarely go for that unless they are elite. My threshold would be a 2nd rounder since a return of 3rd, especially late would be such a bad return.
Dowd kind of depends on teams desperation levels... he isn't valued at 1st around the league BUT... there are teams that are really close to the cap and want to do something. There aren't many options for teams like that and adding a guy that can anchor your 3th or 4th line well for a ~0.65m cap hit might just be tempting enough. Especially for a team who needs cap help for next season, too.
This is likely going to be a pretty 'meh' deadline for us but hoping for some excitement in general around the league. Teams should start moving quickly now that one of the big D's is gone. Perhaps teams start calling on Jensen/TvR a bit more now, too. Especially if Walker ends up staying.
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Anthony Mantha
When researching and building out this list, it was bit surprising to see Mantha at the top. Not because I wasn’t aware that he has been quite good for his entire career – I just didn’t realize he may even be available. I’m still not sure if he is, but he tops our list of targets for teams looking to add at the deadline. Mantha’s currently in the middle of his strongest season per our xGAR model (16.4 total through only 67 games), and he grades out surprisingly well over the last few seasons (hell, his whole career really). His shooting value this season is what’s driving the majority of his ’23-24 success, but he is once again putting up solid rates for, quality for, and defensive numbers to back this up from a RAPM and GAR view. Mantha has never been a below-replacement defensive player, and any team looking for a very solid two-way player would be hard-pressed to find a better option this deadline. His $5.7M contract may make it difficult for certain teams to fit him in, but if he’s available, he’ll make an immediate impact for any contender.
More justification for why Washington should be looking at alternatives to just dumping Mantha if he's only going to return a second round pick. He's perhaps the best player available at the TDL. His salary and UFA status impact his trade value but Washington should think long and hard about keeping him if they have any desire to compete the next year or two and they can't get a first round pick for Mantha.
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