Speculation: Canucks Trade incoming?

[Figgy44]

I wonder if there's a forward Buffalo would be interested in for a swap with Joker.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I had posted something at the Rs trade board re jt miller + for zib +++

now the Hronek injury creates a real urgency and a new dynamic

as we know, JT Miller is taking time off despite being productive and supposedly it is b'c he is at odds w/Elias Petterssen
Zib has lost it; not sure if it is concussions or what but he once had chemistry w/Kreider and it is now invisible
the thinking is if Swedes EP and Mika Z played together, it could work out and given this + VAN is a legit cup contender, MZ would waive

there is risk with either or 2 primary pieces, similarly priced 8.5 MZ and 8 per JTM.

there is more risk for VAN than NY so Rs have to compensate

RD Schneider is normally not available
howev, getting Miller for Zib, full pop both ways, and other benefits would be enuf to do this

Zib + Schneider + Jones (good skater upgrade on Erik B) + Vesey
for
Miller + Raty + Juulsen + a pick

thoughts?

No thanks to Zib.

 

[GOilers88]

That's a big Holl.

 

[bernmeister]

It's from a nothing article using Bissonnette of all people who claims he's heard "rumors" of "ruffled feathers" between Miller and Pettersson.

thanks for substantiating it came from somewhere and was not made up

how legit it is/is not, I make no assertion

 

[dj Mahoney]

Oilers & Canucks can haggle over who get's Murph !! Bowman really likes him .

 

[Grinner]

Wasn't there also a problem between Miller and Horvat prior?

 

[David71]

Just pure speculation, especially with the news Hronek is injured apparently long-term.

Look at our right side of the defence:



Yikes

hughes plays 28mins with everyone and he gets hurt' we are screwed. write off the season

 

[Fjordy]

I wonder if there's a forward Buffalo would be interested in for a swap with Joker.

We need top 4 RD and 2C or even just a top 6 F, I doubt Joker brings back anything like that. So I don't think Buffalo and Vancouver are not good trade partners at this point. If we got a top 4 RD somewhere else, then Joker would probably be available for pick.

 

[Szechwan]

don't remember exactly where/who it was another poster on our board
you'll note I didn't say it was official and that it was "supposedly"

if ya wanna get exact language and go to the trades thread at our board and go back scores of posts and dozens or how many # of pages til you find it, be my guest

I took it at face value
obv it is clear Miller has taken a leave of absence for 'personal reasons'
if that is something else
then obv
nucks have less incentive to make this deal

although Schneider is not otherwise available and would cost

That Zib contract is looking like it could be an anchor sooner than later, 100% pass

 

[604]

I hope it's for K'Andre Miller. He doesn't play the right side, but he plays left. Left his position, left his man, left the puck, you name it. If there's something to be left undone, KAM is your man.

Hoglander for KAM straight up.

Soucy moves to RD.

Hope for the best.

 

[elitepete]

The trouble is everyone and their grandma wants a top 4 right shot D. Hronek being injured longterm really puts Vancouver over a barrel, especially considering their D wasn't great to start with.

Adding the wrinkle of wanting someone young (24-28?), already a bonafide top 4 D, and controllable - as in having some term left... I mean, that's gonna cost. Hoglander is a fine player but if you want someone that's not a stopgap, I think you're going to need to put more than a guy Tocchet hates (that has five points) and picks on the table.

I would have Lekkerimaki on the table.

 

[Figgy44]

We need top 4 RD and 2C or even just a top 6 F, I doubt Joker brings back anything like that. So I don't think Buffalo and Vancouver are good trade partners at this point. If we got a top 4 RD somewhere else, then Joker would probably be available for pick.

I thought there were more maneuverable pieces between the two teams. Also didn't realize how many players were on IR further limiting the movable pieces. My bad.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Carlo + Coyle +

 

[Honour Over Glory]

A back up to Lank would be smarter as well any D help I guess. But Silovs shouldn't be in the NHL. He should be in the AHL and they should be looking for a better depth goalie for whenever Demko attempts to play again.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

We need top 4 RD and 2C or even just a top 6 F, I doubt Joker brings back anything like that. So I don't think Buffalo and Vancouver are good trade partners at this point. If we got a top 4 RD somewhere else, then Joker would probably be available for pick.

JR-Allvin can have Pettersson and Rust. Dump whatever cap back and picks and "D-Petey."

 

[bernmeister]

Hoglander for KAM straight up.

Soucy moves to RD.

Hope for the best.

no
quality swap but not currency ny needs

we are about to enter super tight cap for 2 yrs til bread replaced by Gabe P
another big $ long term F does not help unless one of Rs goes the other way

 

[bernmeister]

my understanding is in addition to Hronek
Demko + Forbort are out
you need an extra D

quick wants to be here but maybe he takes 1 for the team and agrees to go to VAN for this season fully at most --- or Demko recovers by final trade deadline you can send Quick back to us
let's assume that is the case
quick 1.2 we can do something creative on timing so back to ny,, Rs will pay perf bonuses

Lindgren is returning to form; he can stopgap for a bit

Rs want to move Vesey = ok bottom 6 to make room for Rempe
Raty = pivot, developing

Vesey 800 k exp + Jones 812,500 + Quick 1.275 + Lindgren 4.5 = 7m-ish
for
Forbort 1.5 exp + Raty elc -> rfa + Juulsen ,775 = a bit under 4m-ish + acceptable cap dump + 2nd

basically it is
useful bodies for inactive bodies (Forbort for Lindgren) + you rent Quick
if
also Raty for Vesey + a 2nd for Jones + acceptable cap dump

if we retain max on Lindy, I want either upgrade that pick or add another 2nd


doesn't resolve eerything or everybody but
appears to be stopgaps for you that work for us...

 

[spaghtti]

my understanding is in addition to Hronek
Demko + Forbort are out
you need an extra D

quick wants to be here but maybe he takes 1 for the team and agrees to go to VAN for this season fully at most --- or Demko recovers by final trade deadline you can send Quick back to us
let's assume that is the case
quick 1.2 we can do something creative on timing so back to ny,, Rs will pay perf bonuses

Lindgren is returning to form; he can stopgap for a bit

Rs want to move Vesey = ok bottom 6 to make room for Rempe
Raty = pivot, developing

Vesey 800 k exp + Jones 812,500 + Quick 1.275 + Lindgren 4.5 = 7m-ish
for
Forbort 1.5 exp + Raty elc -> rfa + Juulsen ,775 = a bit under 4m-ish + acceptable cap dump + 2nd

basically it is
useful bodies for inactive bodies (Forbort for Lindgren) + you rent Quick
if
also Raty for Vesey + a 2nd for Jones + acceptable cap dump

if we retain max on Lindy, I want either upgrade that pick or add another 2nd


doesn't resolve eerything or everybody but
appears to be stopgaps for you that work for us...

Yes, teams always trade for a player just to trade them back to their original team after a couple months. Happens all the time

 

[TFHockey]

my understanding is in addition to Hronek
Demko + Forbort are out
you need an extra D

quick wants to be here but maybe he takes 1 for the team and agrees to go to VAN for this season fully at most --- or Demko recovers by final trade deadline you can send Quick back to us
let's assume that is the case
quick 1.2 we can do something creative on timing so back to ny,, Rs will pay perf bonuses

Lindgren is returning to form; he can stopgap for a bit

Rs want to move Vesey = ok bottom 6 to make room for Rempe
Raty = pivot, developing

Vesey 800 k exp + Jones 812,500 + Quick 1.275 + Lindgren 4.5 = 7m-ish
for
Forbort 1.5 exp + Raty elc -> rfa + Juulsen ,775 = a bit under 4m-ish + acceptable cap dump + 2nd

basically it is
useful bodies for inactive bodies (Forbort for Lindgren) + you rent Quick
if
also Raty for Vesey + a 2nd for Jones + acceptable cap dump

if we retain max on Lindy, I want either upgrade that pick or add another 2nd


doesn't resolve eerything or everybody but
appears to be stopgaps for you that work for us...

Bern, I feel the Oilers should deal for Shesterkin and trade Skinner, probably both Skinners, to even the $$$ out along with multiple 1st round picks, a few 2nds and probably a prospect.

The Rags could flip those assets for improvements in their line up as management sees they aren't good enough right now.

I'd like you to put together a proposal.

 

[Chainshot]

I wonder if there's a forward Buffalo would be interested in for a swap with Joker.

Maybe. The Sabres are already short on RD with only Henri and Clifton. If they deal one, they need to have another popping in from somewhere. But it might be something to think about. Jokiharju has moments, it's just he was probably supposed to be a PMD but hasn't ever blossomed into one with the folks ahead of him soaking up those opportunities (and being more effective at it).

Is this where someone offers Hoglander? Just curious.

 

[Peter Griffin]

my understanding is in addition to Hronek
Demko + Forbort are out
you need an extra D

quick wants to be here but maybe he takes 1 for the team and agrees to go to VAN for this season fully at most --- or Demko recovers by final trade deadline you can send Quick back to us
let's assume that is the case
quick 1.2 we can do something creative on timing so back to ny,, Rs will pay perf bonuses

Lindgren is returning to form; he can stopgap for a bit

Rs want to move Vesey = ok bottom 6 to make room for Rempe
Raty = pivot, developing

Vesey 800 k exp + Jones 812,500 + Quick 1.275 + Lindgren 4.5 = 7m-ish
for
Forbort 1.5 exp + Raty elc -> rfa + Juulsen ,775 = a bit under 4m-ish + acceptable cap dump + 2nd

basically it is
useful bodies for inactive bodies (Forbort for Lindgren) + you rent Quick
if
also Raty for Vesey + a 2nd for Jones + acceptable cap dump

if we retain max on Lindy, I want either upgrade that pick or add another 2nd


doesn't resolve eerything or everybody but
appears to be stopgaps for you that work for us...

Demko is expected back very soon, possibly within the next handful of games. Nothing in your offer would be of interest to Vancouver tbh.

 

[spaghtti]

Demko is expected back very soon, possibly within the next handful of games. Nothing in your offer would be of interest to Vancouver tbh.

But you could have Quick for that handful of games!

 

[Rowlet]

A back up to Lank would be smarter as well any D help I guess. But Silovs shouldn't be in the NHL. He should be in the AHL and they should be looking for a better depth goalie for whenever Demko attempts to play again.

Demko is back next week

 

[TFHockey]

Demko is back next week

I wonder if he remains in the lineup for the rest of the season or is this a reoccurring injury (or series of injuries) we've seen from other goalies. It is such an important position and we never know how players are going to perform or for how long.

 

[M2Beezy]

Benning for a 6th rd pick?

That name alone will cause the Canuck fanbase PTSD