Speculation: Canucks Off-Season is going to be Fun

[Satoru Gojo]

Will Tochett still be the coach?

 

[landy]

That defense is bad?

Quinn hughes = Top 2 Dman in the world
Hronek = 1b 2a Defender
m.petey = #3/4 Shutdown defender
Myers = #4/5 Defender
DPETEY = has arguably been our best defender behind Hronek since getting the call up and is what like 20 years old?
Atm #5/6
Mancini = Has looked great again, #5/6
Willander = Top Defender prospect with size and skating

If you think that’s bad, give your head a shake.

We were running brannstrom ( who was okay) Juulson and soucy for half the year man.

Yes it is a bottom third D in the league. Fixed for you


Quinn hughes = Top 2 offensive Dman in the world who plays little to no actual defense in his own zone
Hronek = Solid defensive dman, but still a middle pairing guy on most if not all playoff teams. He doesnt have a 1 anywhere except on crap teams.
m.petey = bottom pairing dman on most teams
Myers = bottom pairing dman on most teams
DPETEY = who?
Mancini = who?
Willander = who?

 

[wetcoast]

I would look around a bit more before I would pull the trigger around something like that.

The thing is, and I think you know this, I am a huge fan of Pinto, and I feel he has immense potential.

That being said, I would definitely still look around before I make that decision, right now I’m leaning towards No.

Willander is an extremely significant piece for Vancouver, 6,3 RHD that can skate like he does, but you need to be very careful trading him.

I agree that we need to be careful in trading Pinto but we have a real team construction problem at center and no depth in the organization basically it's EP40 and everyone else has to play higher up in the depth chart than they should.

They need to draft a centerman this year and maybe even reach out and grab a guy like JT or Giroux but older players would rather sign with Eastern teams due to easier schedules.

There is no easy fix here.

 

[wetcoast]

Yes it is a bottom third D in the league. Fixed for you


Quinn hughes = Top 2 offensive Dman in the world who plays little to no actual defense in his own zone

I don't know what is worse, your avatar or this take?

Hronek = Solid defensive dman, but still a middle pairing guy on most if not all playoff teams. He doesnt have a 1 anywhere except on crap teams.
m.petey = bottom pairing dman on most teams

Man you are so far out there you don't even know what meal you are out of.

Myers = bottom pairing dman on most teams
DPETEY = who?
Mancini = who?
Willander = who?

Who are you?

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

As long as Rutherford is pulling the strings, mediocrity will be the future. It's easy to construct a Cup roster when you already have 4 HoF'ers still in their primes and then ride a hot goalie. But having to push a team that was a playoff contender and get them over the hurdle into Cup contender is a much different animal.

What an ignorant take. Yeah, winning those cups was easy. That's why literally 2/3 of the cups that that once in a generation Penguins team won were under Rutherford's helm.

If you want to troll, at least give it some congruence.

Yes it is a bottom third D in the league. Fixed for you


Quinn hughes = Top 2 offensive Dman in the world who plays little to no actual defense in his own zone
Hronek = Solid defensive dman, but still a middle pairing guy on most if not all playoff teams. He doesnt have a 1 anywhere except on crap teams.
m.petey = bottom pairing dman on most teams
Myers = bottom pairing dman on most teams
DPETEY = who?
Mancini = who?
Willander = who?

Speaking of congruence.

1. 2021 called and it wants it's 'low info hf poster' opinion of Hughes back. He literally won the Norris last year (can already hear you say 'but Karlsson'), so this is enough ignorance that I shouldn't have kept reading...but alas, I did.

2. Hronek is a 'middle pairing D man' I would LOVE to see who you 'think' he compares to. He's one of the better #2s in the league and would be a #1 on more than 10 teams.

3. Oh, so you know nothing about M.Petey, good to know.

4. Myers is as good as his partner. He doesn't think the game well in an improvisational way, but if he's with a steady guy and they communicate a bunch he's a top 4 guy. His best years here were with OEL when he was decent and then with M.Petey. He's fine on the second pairing for now and will be usurped by Willander.

5, 6, and 7. Just because you're ignorant doesnt mean those players don't exist. All good prospects on D. Better than our franchise has ever had all at once. You don't have to wander into a doctor's waiting room and yell "I don't understand germ theory so it doesn't exist' and you don't have to wander onto hfboards and loudly celebrate your ignorance of the league.

And yet here we are.

 

[Ghetty Green]

That third pairing will get eaten alive

 

[Breakers]

Yes it is a bottom third D in the league. Fixed for you


Quinn hughes = Top 2 offensive Dman in the world who plays little to no actual defense in his own zone
Hronek = Solid defensive dman, but still a middle pairing guy on most if not all playoff teams. He doesnt have a 1 anywhere except on crap teams.
m.petey = bottom pairing dman on most teams
Myers = bottom pairing dman on most teams
DPETEY = who?
Mancini = who?
Willander = who?

Hughes greatest accomplishment is not winning the norris

It is still living rent free in Colorado fans heads.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I'd reckon the hope is that any fall-off from a guy like Myers is offset by the upside that Willander has. We've seen plenty of college players like him step right in and quickly assume a Top-4 role, or at least quasi-Top-4 minutes.

The rest of the defence corps is...if healthy, a rock solid ice tilting top pair with Hughes-Hronek, and Marcus Pettersson to anchor a second pairing where he's entirely slotted properly within the depth chart for his ability level. So yeah, Myers is the weak link there...but there is a succession plan on the way with Willander to absorb some of that as another RHD behind him with some big minutes potential.

Not a world-beater defence corps so long as Myers is potentially playing ~Top-4ish minutes...but should still be plenty "good enough", especially with Hughes being an absolutely huge difference-maker. It's also a team coached with solid team defence in mind overall.


It's really up front where the Canucks are a bit of an absolute trainwreck right now. No 2C, a 1C who isn't playing up to his capability. Really only 3 bonafide Top-6 Forwards and one of them is a UFA that they might not be able to retain. It's ugly.

Counting on a Williander to go from college to a top 4 role is insanity.

A college rookie, a guy with 20 nhl games, a guy 9 nhl games, 35/36 year old Myers, Hronek that had 1 year of top pairing quality. Theres basically two players to count on as safe bets to not regress in Hughes and MPettersson and even then they both had close to career years this year.

 

[Canucks LB]

Yes it is a bottom third D in the league. Fixed for you


Quinn hughes = Top 2 offensive Dman in the world who plays little to no actual defense in his own zone
Hronek = Solid defensive dman, but still a middle pairing guy on most if not all playoff teams. He doesnt have a 1 anywhere except on crap teams.
m.petey = bottom pairing dman on most teams
Myers = bottom pairing dman on most teams
DPETEY = who?
Mancini = who?
Willander = who?

 

[blankall]

Just sign a #1 center. It's super easy to do that btw.

-signed flames fans.

 

[Diogenes92]

The issue isnt they think they are contenders, the real is issue is an owner who wants to sacrifice the future for a round or two of playoff revenue. But yes same result

I don't think Canucks entertain a rebuild if Hughes stays.

What leads to a cup sooner? Keeping Hughes or a scorched earth rebuild?

 

[Coffee]

I don't think Canucks entertain a rebuild if Hughes stays.

What leads to a cup sooner? Keeping Hughes or a scorched earth rebuild?

Hughes

 

[rea]

They do have all their picks for the upcoming draft, mb they'll offer sheet someone? What C's are avail via offer sheet?

 

[Regal]

They do have all their picks for the upcoming draft, mb they'll offer sheet someone? What C's are avail via offer sheet?

They could try to go after Rossi, but Minny’s finally getting some cap relief on the Suter and Parise buyouts so they’re not really hurting to match anything reasonable.

 

[Regal]

Counting on a Williander to go from college to a top 4 role is insanity.

A college rookie, a guy with 20 nhl games, a guy 9 nhl games, 35/36 year old Myers, Hronek that had 1 year of top pairing quality. Theres basically two players to count on as safe bets to not regress in Hughes and MPettersson and even then they both had close to career years this year.

Hronek has been just as good this year

 

[rea]

They could try to go after Rossi, but Minny’s finally getting some cap relief on the Suter and Parise buyouts so they’re not really hurting to match anything reasonable.

Given the cap rising, I feel this year a lot of teams are probably protected from offer sheets as they all get gifted extra space . Would prob take monumental overpays to get certain players

 

[David71]

vancouver is gonna have to find a way to aquire a 2c via trade or offer sheets. need to upgrade that position badly. cyhitl could be a buyout canadiate..? or a throwin given his injury history. D is set. demko is 50/50 unless they trade him to someone. coach tocheet does he stay or go? gonna be a interesting offseason for sure. too much drama this year.

 

[wetcoast]

That third pairing will get eaten alive

Ya I know, it's a running embarrassment in Vancouver that we can't have all star Dmen on the bottom pairing like every other team in the league right?

That's why I never enter the "which team has the best bottom pairing in the NHL polls" threads.

 

[landy]

I don't think Canucks entertain a rebuild if Hughes stays.

What leads to a cup sooner? Keeping Hughes or a scorched earth rebuild?

Putting actual defense around Hughes so he can continue to play 80% of time in the offensive zone. Boeser is leaving so youre left with EP40 only. Give him some help because that O depth is pretty bad.

So easy...

1. Actual defense
2. 1-2 top 6 wingers
3. A legit 1C or 2C

lol so what 80% of teams are searchng for. And try to convince an American player not to go play with both of his brothers. Good luck.

 

[lakai17]

Hughes should be furious still as management never allowed him to rep usa.

 

[Fatass]

Van needs to do a proper deep diving 5-7 year rebuild. Their owner will never allow that. But it’s what they should do.

 

[VancouverJagger]

Lost me here. That defense is pretty bad and captain obvious, but Quinn is bolting for NJ first chance he gets.

That's about as likely as you getting a girlfriend...........I mean anything could happen but the odds are definitely stacked against it......

 

[VancouverJagger]

People saying Vancouvers D looks like shit are out to lunch. There's a reason why Van fans are stoked D Petey at 20 years old has been a revelation and has top 4 potential written all over him. Hard to see Willander not being a good player in this league for a long time. Add in Hughes and Hronek in a couple years our Top 4 will most likely be as good as any in the league. Having MPetey as our #5? Most teams would dream of that.

We have plenty of assets to get a 2C. While Bennett is a great target he will be a great target for 15 other teams out there and odds are he doesn't even hit FA.

Something around Garland, Raty or Kudryatsev and 2 2nds (if not a first) should be able to do it.........I would look at seeing if they can somehow pry Horvat back.........I would take him all day long and while the price may be steep there are many paths to us getting the pieces we need and being right back in the mix.

 

[landy]

That's about as likely as you getting a girlfriend...........I mean anything could happen but the odds are definitely stacked against it......

lol wut?! Are we 12 now? Outside of massively overpaying him, which the Canucks will be tempted to do if Makar signs first that offseason, please list the reasons why he would stay in Vancouver. Its not quite the Tkachuks, but it is marketing gold having the Hughes brothers together and that is ignoring him actually wanting the rare chance to play with his brothers, which we can assume he does want.

 

[landy]

People saying Vancouvers D looks like shit are out to lunch. There's a reason why Van fans are stoked D Petey at 20 years old has been a revelation and has top 4 potential written all over him. Hard to see Willander not being a good player in this league for a long time. Add in Hughes and Hronek in a couple years our Top 4 will most likely be as good as any in the league. Having MPetey as our #5? Most teams would dream of that.

We have plenty of assets to get a 2C. While Bennett is a great target he will be a great target for 15 other teams out there and odds are he doesn't even hit FA.

Something around Garland, Raty or Kudryatsev and 2 2nds (if not a first) should be able to do it.........I would look at seeing if they can somehow pry Horvat back.........I would take him all day long and while the price may be steep there are many paths to us getting the pieces we need and being right back in the mix.

Van fans are stoked because they have had crap for defense for 50 years now. Anything above bottom pairing no namers is an upgrade. Please make a list of all 32 teams and tell me how many the Canucks are ahead of and taking off your biased glasses first.

Sooooo who is your 2C? And what is the answer to get ep40 going again? Ill wait...

So this is your plan?

EP40 - crap wingers
Horvat - crap wingers
whatever
whatever

Hughes - Hronek
Petey - Myers
crap

Demko

So the plan is to be a bubble team until Hughes leaves? Got it