Rumor: Canucks Now Looking to Add Mid 20s Impact Forward

[Lenny Levino]

Nikolaj Ehlers will be UFA in a couple of months. He's 28 though, but should be good for another 4-5 years.

Mitch Marner is another possibility.

 

[miscs75]

You know who they should target? Mathew Barzel.

Garland, Hoglander, Lekkerimaki, 1st for Barzel, 3rd. Cap evens out pretty good. NYI can take this as a jump start on a rebuild. Looking at their roster, I don't see a lot of hope for the near future, nor do I see a ton of young assets that make me think it's worth holding on to mediocrity. Sell off Barzel and Dobson for good returns, sell of the older guys like Nelson, JGP, etc as needed, and look to rebuild.

Vancouver gets a replacement 1C/2C that they desperately need.

It's Barzal not Barzel and no. This trade doesn't even help the Islanders rebuild, it just makes them worse and offsets it by adding in a 1st and Lekkerimaki. You want Barzal, remove Hoglander and Garland and upgrade the player substantially to something close to Barzal in terms of puck possession and skillset. Not a 3rd liner in Hoglander (who's a whopping 5'9) and an undersized grinder who's projected to have a career year. Barzal isn't the guy you sell off anyways and I could name the pieces to move out on the Isles roster.

What pick and % of retention are you sending Vancouver's way to take him?

After all the terrible trade offers on here for Barzal posted by Canucks fans, you guys are adding in the picks.

 

[Hallonbroder]

"Unmoveable within reason" just doesn't have the same ring to it

Or just don’t use the term. Better ring to that

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

This will get laughed at and he's not an impact forward but Josh Anderson could be good for them and could be had for free

He's not a scoring threat anymore and he's overpaid but he's a great PKer, brings toughness on the bottom-6 this year and he's a great teammate. He's destroyed Tom Wilson and Trouba in fights this year.

If a team doesn't care about salary he's a perfect add for a bottom-6 playoff run, who could regain some offensive spark away from MSL's system.

 

[settinguptheplay]

Well duh, that goes without saying, but stop using that phrase then? He’s not unmovable - he’s totally movable for the right price. Hence, it’s a bad, nay, stupid phrase

Or, you know, one could just know what is meant by it and move on. Do we really need to language police each other? Everyone else seems fine with how unmoveable is used with regard to prospects.

 

[Coffee]

That would be a great trade for Van and also makes sense for NYI. Garland could easily fetch a 1st as well

SealBound is good and definitely the most underrated poster atm

 

[Rowlet]

Or just don’t use the term. Better ring to that

Or just don't let it bother you so much.

 

[Diablo2020]

It's going to be Owen Tippett. He's been sitting out of the lineup with an "undisclosed injury" and fits the criteria.

Filip Chytil was telegraphed for 2 years.

Marcus Pete was telegraphed for 1 year.

Josh Norris is the obvious next target.

Much like with Hroneks shoulder and Chytil's concussions management will state they think its overblown and theyre not worried about Norris.

Casey Cizikas, also telegraphed a mile away imo.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Or, you know, one could just know what is meant by it and move on. Do we really need to language police each other? Everyone else seems fine with how unmoveable is used with regard to prospects.

Nah, it rubs me the wrong way. Shows how delusional fans of sports teams can be in discussions of fictional scenarios on an internet forum.

 

[BKarchitect]

It's going to be Owen Tippett. He's been sitting out of the lineup with an "undisclosed injury" and fits the criteria.

I think this is a really good shout. Mid 20's, definitely makes too much money, completely anonymous at times. But he goes fast in a straight line and can rip the puck. Frustrating player but I think there is a 35-goal guy in there somewhere.

I think we may have to temper what the report is saying as "impact" is a bit, especially if, as it sounds, the Canucks are trying to do this without emptying their very top assets.

Somebody like Tippett could be a long-term replacement for Boeser if Brock and the Canucks decide to go their separate ways.

 

[settinguptheplay]

Nah, it rubs me the wrong way. Shows how delusional fans of sports teams can be in discussions of fictional scenarios on an internet forum.

Life must be difficult for you.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's going to be Owen Tippett. He's been sitting out of the lineup with an "undisclosed injury" and fits the criteria.

Trading Boeser for futures and then replacing him with Tippett for cheaper would be a really smart move for the Canucks.

 

[Bandit]

The way that is worded makes it sound like they would be willing to take on a highly salaried guy with lots of years left who may have soured in their current situation when it comes to production/availability versus contract length and hit.

So yeah, kind of like a Norris/Cozens area where they will attempt to lower the asset cost by saying "hey, we are willing to take on this big, gnarly long-term contract if you are willing to come to the table and discuss".

I'm not saying that other teams will just buy into this - but there are only so many mid-20's players making big bucks on huge deals that would even be remotely available that wouldn't be automatically completely cost-prohibitive to acquire.

Sorry, the Kings already traded PLD.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

they traded a 100 point center for a 26 year old 40 point scorer with back problems.

they’re looking for a lot of things.

Damn, in what universe does Miller have multiple 100 point seasons ?

Ahh yes that's right he doesn't and people just like to over inflate a player's value

 

[Rowlet]

Nah, it rubs me the wrong way. Shows how delusional fans of sports teams can be in discussions of fictional scenarios on an internet forum.

If this is how you're going to react to people using language in a way that isn't to your preference, you won't last long on here.

It's better to understand the shorthand terminology than to start a stupid argument taken to extremes every time someone says something in a way you don't deem optimal.

Nobody actually thinks Willander isn't available for a generational talent, just not for someone like Dvorak.

 

[AHLdepth]

Are these Norris talks just talk, or is there something I missed?

 

[SEALBound]

Is Barzal a C or more so a winger?

Career center who is currently at wing. I would move him back to center.

It's Barzal not Barzel and no. This trade doesn't even help the Islanders rebuild, it just makes them worse and offsets it by adding in a 1st and Lekkerimaki. You want Barzal, remove Hoglander and Garland and upgrade the player substantially to something close to Barzal in terms of puck possession and skillset. Not a 3rd liner in Hoglander (who's a whopping 5'9) and an undersized grinder who's projected to have a career year. Barzal isn't the guy you sell off anyways and I could name the pieces to move out on the Isles roster.


After all the terrible trade offers on here for Barzal posted by Canucks fans, you guys are adding in the picks.

I mean, I disagree, but that's what this thread is for. I'm not sure what player the Canucks would upgrade to that even makes sense. The idea would be, you are adding young assets like the 1st which is currently sitting at 16th OV and the starting point. I imagine you'd be getting a similar return from Dobson. Say you just double that return, 2 1sts and two Lekkerimaki level prospects is a really good foundation.

The problem I have with "you move other guys before Barzal" is, while you're not wrong, by the time the returns you get for guys like Palmieri, JGP, and Nelson become regular players, Barzal will likely be early to mid 30s. His prime will be over and his value will drop. And as I pointed out, I don't see a lot of short-term reinforcements to bolster the lineup. That's why I said "keep you out of mediocrity". The team sans those three plus FA additions likely keep in you in the hunt for 2WC but you're certainly not going to be a cup contender.

This is a calculated move to cash in on two major assets and retool. I don't think many opportunities to move Barzal's deal with no retention will come up.

 

[Canucks LB]

You know who they should target? Mathew Barzel.

Garland, Hoglander, Lekkerimaki, 1st for Barzel, 3rd. Cap evens out pretty good. NYI can take this as a jump start on a rebuild. Looking at their roster, I don't see a lot of hope for the near future, nor do I see a ton of young assets that make me think it's worth holding on to mediocrity. Sell off Barzel and Dobson for good returns, sell of the older guys like Nelson, JGP, etc as needed, and look to rebuild.

Vancouver gets a replacement 1C/2C that they desperately need.

We can’t do Garland and lekk and a 1st.

That’s just too much, garland has arguably been our best F this season.

But you’re on the right track I would love to get barzal

 

[Canucks LB]

Here are names that I would love to get that fit the criteria, and have at least a small chance of getting traded.

JJ Peterka
Shane Pinto
McTavish
And if you really wanna gamble
Zegras

 

[brock hughes007]

You can say that again!

Impact forward !How about 2 of them
The ones we are supposed to have Boeser and Debrusk both suck

 

[sting101]

One Quinn Hughes should be able to get it done

 

[Fraser28]

You know who they should target? Mathew Barzel.

Garland, Hoglander, Lekkerimaki, 1st for Barzel, 3rd. Cap evens out pretty good. NYI can take this as a jump start on a rebuild. Looking at their roster, I don't see a lot of hope for the near future, nor do I see a ton of young assets that make me think it's worth holding on to mediocrity. Sell off Barzel and Dobson for good returns, sell of the older guys like Nelson, JGP, etc as needed, and look to rebuild.

Vancouver gets a replacement 1C/2C that they desperately need.

His name is Barzal.

 

[miscs75]

Career center who is currently at wing. I would move him back to center.

I mean, I disagree, but that's what this thread is for. I'm not sure what player the Canucks would upgrade to that even makes sense. The idea would be, you are adding young assets like the 1st which is currently sitting at 16th OV and the starting point. I imagine you'd be getting a similar return from Dobson. Say you just double that return, 2 1sts and two Lekkerimaki level prospects is a really good foundation.

The problem I have with "you move other guys before Barzal" is, while you're not wrong, by the time the returns you get for guys like Palmieri, JGP, and Nelson become regular players, Barzal will likely be early to mid 30s. His prime will be over and his value will drop. And as I pointed out, I don't see a lot of short-term reinforcements to bolster the lineup. That's why I said "keep you out of mediocrity". The team sans those three plus FA additions likely keep in you in the hunt for 2WC but you're certainly not going to be a cup contender.

This is a calculated move to cash in on two major assets and retool. I don't think many opportunities to move Barzal's deal with no retention will come up.

The issue is that the pieces don't do anything except basically give the Isles the equivalnt to the insult of an offer the Rangers sent Vancouver for JT Miller with a prospect added in. It's not so much the doubling it, its the adding in 3rd liners and bottom pairing defenseman with the hopes the prospects develop properly that's the issue while offsetting 2 pieces that would be main parts to build around going forward. Hoglander and Garland are not what I would call assets cashing in on, they're at best solid middle six complimentary players that most teams have equivalent's of. Neither are anywhere near the gamebreaker Barzal has shown he is and will continue to do even on a team that's starving for offense year after year

The Isles need to rebuild around Barzal/Horvat/Dobson/Romanov/Sorokin, not dump them all to go into one of those Buffalo style rebuilds that keeps them nowhere near the playoffs for the next 10+ seasons. Letting Palmieri/Nelson/Pageau/Lee leave and then going and trading Barzal/Dobson for multiple pieces is the reason why GMs get fired and cast off to the abyss. It's a terrible move. You move out the aging veterans and let them retire/chase a cup in the twilight of their career and replace those pieces with youth, whether it's from within, through free agency or through trades.

Look at the puckpedia info for the Isles cap situation. The forwards for the most part are all gone within the next 2-3 years minus a small amount of them. It's not as gloom as you're making it seem.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Willander for Copp.

I know Detroit is giving up too much, but we’re a generous group. The wings would like to repay the favor of trading them the pick used for ASP.

 

[Raistlin]

RHD like Willander with a high floor is never available until they basically hit UFA. One of the only reasons why they bit the bullet and picked him over ASP and Benson. His projected archetype will log heavy reliable minutes without costing a large chunk of cap is the cornerstone of every playoff team.