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[Nick Lang]

Yea I was typing out a post that is essentially the same as yours, and I guess we do have options. Its going to be a very thin lineup, but it is doable for next season to extend Boeser up to $8m, let go of Suter + Soucy + Hog and have enough cap space to acquire a 2C, ala Norris (as an example, not the player I would personally target).




I guess you can run Boeser/Sherwood/Lekk on RW next season, I guess that is viable. But that puts a lot of pressure on Lekk to produce right away, and we do lose Garland's unique energy and puck control, as well as some PK utility. But that is one option as well.

I should have clarified more as I wasn't thinking about the center position at all. I try not to get into completely remaking rosters because there is too many moving parts. I do speculate on these obvious choices the team must make though like with Boeser being a ufa.

In that sense I feel Boeser and Garland play the same 2nd line RW type of position so one of them should go to fill either the RW1 position or as you say a center. Although I'm not sure that's the way to go as that will require a lot of cap and then our wingers will be even worse than now. Either way Garland is up next year so they kind of have to decide what direction they are going in now. At this point I think next year hinges on our top 6 setup.

They way our roster is constructed we simply can't afford the luxury of playing a Garland (or Boeser) on the third line though imo. Unless Lekkerimaki would pop but it would still be a luxury and very hard to afford and fill out the rest of the team.

 

[ziploc]

If hughes is injured or contained during the playoffs, GG for us?

At this point this is true no matter what happens at the deadline. This team runs through Hughes.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I should have clarified more as I wasn't thinking about the center position at all. I try not to get into completely remaking rosters because there is too many moving parts. I do speculate on these obvious choices the team must make though like with Boeser being a ufa.

In that sense I feel Boeser and Garland play the same 2nd line RW type of position so one of them should go to fill either the RW1 position or as you say a center. Although I'm not sure that's the way to go as that will require a lot of cap and then our wingers will be even worse than now. Either way Garland is up next year so they kind of have to decide what direction they are going in now. At this point I think next year hinges on our top 6 setup.

They way our roster is constructed we simply can't afford the luxury of playing a Garland on the third line though imo. Unless Lekkerimaki would pop but it would still be a luxury and very hard to afford and fill out the rest of the team.

Currently Garland is playing with Chytil and Joshua, while Boeser is with Suter and DOC. I would actually say Boeser's line is the 3rd. I guess the 2nd and 3rd line are fairly interchangeable.

I guess with Lekk coming, and our lack of cap space, it does make sense to have only 1 of Garland or Boeser, and re-allocate the cap space to try and upgrade the C position. Naturally we assume Boeser will be the one to go as he is a pending UFA, but I wouldn't rule out moving Garland if it makes more sense. Its possible but unlikely.

 

[wonton15]

The odds of either a signing or trade this Friday after our game today has to be very high. I’m getting excited!

 

[krutovsdonut]

For someone who has explored this: Can they re-sign Boeser at $8m AAV and bring in Norris at $8m AAV while removing Hoglander and Soucy?

with a 22 man roster and counting on d-petey and/or mancini and several ahl/elc forwards on sub $1m contracts, yes. 23 man would probably depend on the individual salaries of the $1m guys.

but they'd have nothing to do all summer and no ability to grab $1.5-2m players with upside. might be worth doing though as the ufa market might be a little tough for the canucks this summer.

I can see them making a play for the Schenn brothers and just grinding and checking the hell out of teams from this point on in the season. Doubling down on Tocchet hockey.

The offense will come from whatever Hughes can generate, the usual streaky scorers, and the PP. Lots of 2-1 and 3-2 games.

I hope that's not the case, the next week or so will be fun to watch as things unfold.

i think tochett would like that. not sure the capologist and amateur scouting would like the outcome of such a trade.

 

[Vector]

The odds of either a signing or trade this Friday after our game today has to be very high. I’m getting excited!

I would think the three day break after Saturday's game would have a higher chance for movement. Really, it's the time of season where a bunch of stuff can happen at any moment.

 

[thecupismine]

Surprised nobody is putting Forbort re-signed at $1.5 into next year’s rosters. He’s been excellent value generally and elite on the PK.

We aren’t carrying 3 rookies at D next year.

Based on his play he should 100% be the teams 6/7 going into next year.

You can’t just hand spots to rookies. There needs to be a baseline level you have to beat out to get playing time, and Forbort is a good barometer of where guys should be at to earn a bottom pairing role.

It’s also not unusual for a guy like D Petey to take a step back in their sophomore year as the grind of a full season hits them hard, especially if they stop getting sheltered. Being able to scratch them here and there to reset without missing a beat is going to be key next season.

Fully expect 2 rookies (Petey and Willander) will be on the roster next season though, and Kudratsyev will be a call up option in case of injuries if he keeps developing.

 

[arttk]

Based on his play he should 100% be the teams 6/7 going into next year.

You can’t just hand spots to rookies. There needs to be a baseline level you have to beat out to get playing time, and Forbort is a good barometer of where guys should be at to earn a bottom pairing role.

It’s also not unusual for a guy like D Petey to take a step back in their sophomore year as the grind of a full season hits them hard. Being able to scratch them here and there to reset without missing a beat is going to be key next season.

Fully expect 2 rookies (Petey and Willander) will be on the roster next season though, and Kudryavtsev if he continues developing will be a call up option in case of injuries.



Based on his play he should 100% be the teams 6/7 going into next year.

You can’t just hand spots to rookies. There needs to be a baseline level you have to beat out to get playing time, and Forbort is a good barometer of where guys should be at to earn a bottom pairing role.

It’s also not unusual for a guy like D Petey to take a step back in their sophomore year as the grind of a full season hits them hard, especially if they stop getting sheltered. Being able to scratch them here and there to reset without missing a beat is going to be key next season.

Fully expect 2 rookies (Petey and Willander) will be on the roster next season though, and Kudratsyev

Surprised nobody is putting Forbort re-signed at $1.5 into next year’s rosters. He’s been excellent value generally and elite on the PK.

We aren’t carrying 3 rookies at D next year.

i think most of us are looking at it from the perspective of imagining the roster with some cap left over to do stuff in the TDL so that's why we don't have Forbort in it. I think penciling Forbort would actually require some other sacrifice up front.

And yeah, we are not going to have 3 rookies at D. I think at most it will be DPetey and maybe Mancini as a 7th D.

 

[ManVanFan]

I expect he'll be back. He isn't worth enough to worry about moving at the deadline, and will again not be very expensive. Especially since they're exploring moving Soucy.

The issue is money. Does he come back for 1.5M I'd honestly say 2.5M he would get on open market this off season as long as he stays healthy for the rest of this year. Yes, that's less than Soucy but with the Canucks up against the cap and the need for more scoring.

 

[vancityluongo]

Not putting a ton of thought into this one but just seeing what's possible.

I dealt Soucy to Chicago for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Didn't bother getting assets for Boeser, which I think we will if we don't re-sign him (signing him would make these moves moot).

But can see there's a way to solidify 3rd line center (though I wouldn't necessarily go for Frederic as he may well be overpaid) and getting Ehlers at a potentially realistic freight.

I don't hate the centers after Petey (assuming a bounce back for him) by commitee.

Think we would need one more legit top 6 winger. Possibly something to target in Boeser trade or in relay of Boeser trade assets.

Think this is the way, at least conceptually. That price tag for Ehlers feels a bit high, I'd rather Nick Bjugstad over Frederic, and maybe look at moving Demko and bringing in a guy like Vejmelka instead. Forbort over Mancini as the 7th D as well.

But otherwise this feels about right. Don't think Suter is coming back.

 

[arttk]

The issue is money. Does he come back for 1.5M I'd honestly say 2.5M he would get on open market this off season as long as he stays healthy for the rest of this year. Yes, that's less than Soucy but with the Canucks up against the cap and the need for more scoring.

you would think that cap inflation impacts aging vets less.

 

[ManVanFan]

I should have clarified more as I wasn't thinking about the center position at all. I try not to get into completely remaking rosters because there is too many moving parts. I do speculate on these obvious choices the team must make though like with Boeser being a ufa.

In that sense I feel Boeser and Garland play the same 2nd line RW type of position so one of them should go to fill either the RW1 position or as you say a center. Although I'm not sure that's the way to go as that will require a lot of cap and then our wingers will be even worse than now. Either way Garland is up next year so they kind of have to decide what direction they are going in now. At this point I think next year hinges on our top 6 setup.

They way our roster is constructed we simply can't afford the luxury of playing a Garland (or Boeser) on the third line though imo. Unless Lekkerimaki would pop but it would still be a luxury and very hard to afford and fill out the rest of the team.

Debrusk Pettersson Boeser
Joshua Chytil Garland
Hoglander Someone Lekkerimaki
O'Connor Blueger Sherwood

If that is the forward group next season, if you get rid of Soucy and replace him with an ELC. About 5M for a 3lc at a 22 man roster with Boeser at 8M a year.

 

[Nick Lang]

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Not putting a ton of thought into this one but just seeing what's possible.

I dealt Soucy to Chicago for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Didn't bother getting assets for Boeser, which I think we will if we don't re-sign him (signing him would make these moves moot).

But can see there's a way to solidify 3rd line center (though I wouldn't necessarily go for Frederic as he may well be overpaid) and getting Ehlers at a potentially realistic freight.

I don't hate the centers after Petey (assuming a bounce back for him) by commitee.

Think we would need one more legit top 6 winger. Possibly something to target in Boeser trade or in relay of Boeser trade assets.

This is they type of roster construction I prefer. I like Ehlers as a top line option better than anyone we've had for a while there. The pickings are slim though. At least he's fast and can do a lot of things. I remember him in junior being the go to guy in every situation imaginable. I think he's a partner who could excel with Petey. Garland finally gets put on the proper line. Also, I feel Lekkerimaki should be able to play some third line minutes like most decent rookies in the NHL, contrary to popular belief.

I don't think we can afford or even find another top 6 center so I've also been putting Chytil there in my mind. Frederic is pretty expensive at 3C though and I'd be trading Hoglander if I could too. Simply too much for a 4th line tweener.

However, as I type and look at the roster I wonder if just rolling Lekkerimaki as RW1 with a short term option who could jump in there might be the way to go. Maybe we shouldn't put all of our eggs in the basket this year and look for the right players at Center and RW1. Similar to how we got MPetterson. If you waste all your money early you don't have any other options going forward.

No team with a minus goal differential in the regular season has ever won a Stanley cup. The Canucks have work to do. 24 games to make up 13 goals.

Great point! As I watch the last number of years the biggest predictor of playoff teams is +/-. It just stands to reason if you score more goals than you give up you win games.

Currently Garland is playing with Chytil and Joshua, while Boeser is with Suter and DOC. I would actually say Boeser's line is the 3rd. I guess the 2nd and 3rd line are fairly interchangeable.

I guess with Lekk coming, and our lack of cap space, it does make sense to have only 1 of Garland or Boeser, and re-allocate the cap space to try and upgrade the C position. Naturally we assume Boeser will be the one to go as he is a pending UFA, but I wouldn't rule out moving Garland if it makes more sense. Its possible but unlikely.

Yeah, that's true. I edited my post to say Garland, or Boeser, as neither should be on the third line in our roster setup.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Roster construction is near optimal. Our D is big and can skate. We are almost deep at C.

The biggest problem is just that - our wingers are a bit slow. Ehlers is a target I actually like.

 

[TruGr1t]

The issue is money. Does he come back for 1.5M I'd honestly say 2.5M he would get on open market this off season as long as he stays healthy for the rest of this year. Yes, that's less than Soucy but with the Canucks up against the cap and the need for more scoring.

Maybe but he's such an "unsexy" player (though I think he's great depth) that I'd be a bit surprised, maybe he gets a modest raise, but it will be in-line with the cap increase.

 

[Bobby9]

EDM, WSH, WPG are the teams that I think will be buyers.

I think the Leafs will be too but their RW is pretty stacked on the top 2 lines

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

EDM, WSH, WPG are the teams that I think will be buyers.

I think the Leafs will be too but their RW is pretty stacked on the top 2 lines

Toronto is a team I think will be "in" on many of the same players we should be "in" on. Watch out for them, Tanev just went down. It's hard cheering against him but they are really close now and I need them to fail. Poor guys just won "their" SC in February. Suckers.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

i think most of us are looking at it from the perspective of imagining the roster with some cap left over to do stuff in the TDL so that's why we don't have Forbort in it. I think penciling Forbort would actually require some other sacrifice up front.

And yeah, we are not going to have 3 rookies at D. I think at most it will be DPetey and maybe Mancini as a 7th D.

I think even if its not Forbort specifically, the team needs a vet and a PK specialist like him at about the same cap hit going into next season. We usually have a D or 2 injured at various time during the season, you don't want to run into a situation where we have 3 rookies dressed in those situations.

Sacrifices will for sure have to be made elsewhere, unfortunately our cap situation doesn't look too great for next season unless we dump a couple inefficient contracts (ie: Soucy and Hog). I think we have enough room to make 1 major "add" up front, be it extending Boeser, signing a UFA, or trading for a player. We have to make that "add" count, that is one we definitely cannot miss on.

I wonder about Duchene as a UFA. Sure he is older (currently 34), but he still skates at an elite level and is near PPG during his time in Dallas, playing as a 2C. He would make an excellent middle 6 player and take some of the offensive pressure off Chytil and Petey. He won't cost asset but I do worry that he is looking for a long term contract. With his speed and hands, I think he still have a couple good seasons left.

Granlund is another interesting player. 33 years old so he is not young either, but also a very good offensive center. Not as fast as Duchene but not painfully slow either. Would fit well as a middle 6C.

 

[VanillaCoke]

They're not going to waste assets or carefully accrued cap space on old expensive Schenns, it's not happening, Allvin isn't Brad.

 

[ManVanFan]

Maybe but he's such an "unsexy" player (though I think he's great depth) that I'd be a bit surprised, maybe he gets a modest raise, but it will be in-line with the cap increase.

VD got 2 years 2M. He was trash Haha

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

No kidding, Laurence. They're builders, not REbuilders.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

No kidding, Laurence. They're builders, not REbuilders.

They specialize in the landlord special though. Slap on some duct tape, cheap cladding and plaster....

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

They specialize in the landlord special though. Slap on some duct tape, cheap cladding and plaster....

Man, if only they could build some good cheap homes. All the cheap homes are shitty and overpriced. I want to live in a world where you can buy something on 5-years salary like my parents, f***s sake.

 

[JT Milker]

Roster construction is near optimal. Our D is big and can skate. We are almost deep at C.

The biggest problem is just that - our wingers are a bit slow. Ehlers is a target I actually like.

We are definitely not deep at C and there’s basically no fix short of trading something like Willander to fix it.