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I'm not fully against expansion, although I don't think it's good to have it this rapid, but the cities being chosen really need to be carefully considered. Going back to Atlanta after two difference franchises failed (and got moved to Canada) and Phoenix seems completely nonsensical.

expansion fee is going to be at 1B, the owners are not going to say no to that. this is a pure business decision. Even if the market doesn't work like Atlanta again, they'll just find another city to move into and they'll have no issues with that because the expansion fee is already been paid.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Recap of Frank Seravalli's interview with Halford & Brough.

Boeser

• Wouldn’t be surprised if he got just under 9m AAV

Wow, that would be even more than what I was expecting in a worst case scenario.

This morning I was trading Carson Soucy to Detroit.

I had already traded Garland to Boston. I don't know what happened against the Leafs but they had 6 forwards player over 20 minutes and 4 forwards play less than 10.

If they trade away Garland Van can comfortably extend Boeser 8x7.5

I think the team can already extend Boeser to 8x7.5, if they want to, without moving Garland. We do have the cap space for that next season.

The problem is extending Boeser to that contract essentially mean you are bringing back the same team we are icing right now, which is not a very good team. Trading Garland and extending Boeser opens up some cap space, but then you have to replace Garland (a middle 6 winger that can either compliment a top 6, or drive his own 3rd line), which would cost you at least $5m anyways.

I've said this before but, is there really a point in extending Boeser just to bring him back to play with Suter and DOC again? Is that how you bring out the best in Brock and will he justify his contract in that setting? Is icing the same forward group, with the exception of adding Lekk, really going to be satisfactory for management and fans? I know I would be disappointed in that case.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Wow, that would be even more than what I was expecting in a worst case scenario.

I think the team can already extend Boeser to 8x7.5, if they want to, without moving Garland. We do have the cap space for that next season.

The problem is extending Boeser to that contract essentially mean you are bringing back the same team we are icing right now, which is not a very good team. Trading Garland and extending Boeser opens up some cap space, but then you have to replace Garland (a middle 6 winger that can either compliment a top 6, or drive his own 3rd line), which would cost you at least $5m anyways.

I've said this before but, is there really a point in extending Boeser just to bring him back to play with Suter and DOC again? Is that how you bring out the best in Brock and will he justify his contract in that setting? Is icing the same forward group, with the exception of adding Lekk, really going to be satisfactory for management and fans? I know I would be disappointed in that case.

We need Boeser and a impact winger/centre to even have a chance at being competitive. Unfortunately I don't know if that's possible with our current cap makeup.

 

[sting101]

Musing about our forward group. Was looking how we stack up top to bottom

Even Strength production last 3 seasons -
(Used an Average rank between actual production and Pts/60 min 1200minutes of ice time or top 415 forwards as the baseline) I tend to think that staying healthy and having the actual production holds more weight but wanted to see how it would look if we gave some grace for injuries

(1-50) Good 1st liner - (51-94) 1st line

Pettersson 17-----------(even with this years mess still stacks up well)
Boeser 84--------------(All Strengths Goals ranks him 52nd)

(94-140) Good top6
(140- 186) Good middle 6 complementary top6

Garland 120------------(ES Goals ranks 94th)
Debrusk 154------------(All strengths Goals ranks him 75th)
*Chytil 201------------(Pts p/60 rank is top100 but injuries)

(186-230) Good 3rd liner top9 player

Sherwood 193----------(excellent signing 14g is tied for 3rd plus the hits plus speed)
Hoglander 201----------(was surprised he stacked up this well but last year was a big spike)
*Joshua 234--------------(Huge set back this year for obvious reasons)

(230-276) 3rd line depth or Good 4th liner - Depth players

Suter 232 - Blueger 265 - O'Connor 272
Amen Bains Raty Sasson PDG

Huge problem is obviously in the top6. Not like this is some revelation but how do we make it better?

We already needed a player like Chytil to replace Suter and we did need a top4 D so M.Pettersson is another hole filled.

But now how do we at least get another top forward and get Boeser going and then be able to add Lekkerimaki slowly and slot everyone down when fully healthy or we need 2 players without gutting elsewhere

 

[Hodgy]

Wow, that would be even more than what I was expecting in a worst case scenario.

I think the team can already extend Boeser to 8x7.5, if they want to, without moving Garland. We do have the cap space for that next season.

The problem is extending Boeser to that contract essentially mean you are bringing back the same team we are icing right now, which is not a very good team. Trading Garland and extending Boeser opens up some cap space, but then you have to replace Garland (a middle 6 winger that can either compliment a top 6, or drive his own 3rd line), which would cost you at least $5m anyways.

I've said this before but, is there really a point in extending Boeser just to bring him back to play with Suter and DOC again? Is that how you bring out the best in Brock and will he justify his contract in that setting? Is icing the same forward group, with the exception of adding Lekk, really going to be satisfactory for management and fans? I know I would be disappointed in that case.

Ya, it sucks for Boeser that he’s in such a poor position to succeed in terms of producing in his contract year, verses last year, for example, but unless the Canucks find a dynamic centre, or Petey returns to form and meshes with Boeser again, they should be paying him based on this year’s production which is actually closer to his usual historical production than last year which looks more like an outlier.

I don’t doubt that Boeser is trying to get paid based on last year’s season though, and I also don’t doubt he will get much closer to that in free agency than what this year’s play justifies and probably from a team that will get more out of him.

 

[wonton15]

Boeser at $9M if he reaches UFA doesn’t really surprise me. The rising cap and teams starving for scorers to shake loose will give fans some insane sticker shocker on July 1st.

 

[arttk]

Wow, that would be even more than what I was expecting in a worst case scenario.

I think the team can already extend Boeser to 8x7.5, if they want to, without moving Garland. We do have the cap space for that next season.

The problem is extending Boeser to that contract essentially mean you are bringing back the same team we are icing right now, which is not a very good team. Trading Garland and extending Boeser opens up some cap space, but then you have to replace Garland (a middle 6 winger that can either compliment a top 6, or drive his own 3rd line), which would cost you at least $5m anyways.

I've said this before but, is there really a point in extending Boeser just to bring him back to play with Suter and DOC again? Is that how you bring out the best in Brock and will he justify his contract in that setting? Is icing the same forward group, with the exception of adding Lekk, really going to be satisfactory for management and fans? I know I would be disappointed in that case.

Tehncailly if we move out Soucy, there is like 6.5M in cap to upgrade the 2C position. Ideally you free up more cap so you can spend more on that 2C and leave enough cap so we can toll it and add another piece in TDL.

But you do have to wonder if Hoglander is going to be the guy out. Ideally you want DeBrusk, Joshua and DoC as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line winger and then you figure out an upgrade on the 1st line LW. Freeing up his 3M and maybe Garland's 5M would give us 8M to spend for that 1 position and we can run with like Raty/Sasson/Karlsson as the 4th line winger and bump Sherwood up to the 3rd line.

 

[Nick Lang]

Wow, that would be even more than what I was expecting in a worst case scenario.

I think the team can already extend Boeser to 8x7.5, if they want to, without moving Garland. We do have the cap space for that next season.

The problem is extending Boeser to that contract essentially mean you are bringing back the same team we are icing right now, which is not a very good team. Trading Garland and extending Boeser opens up some cap space, but then you have to replace Garland (a middle 6 winger that can either compliment a top 6, or drive his own 3rd line), which would cost you at least $5m anyways. We (I prefer) could always trade Boeser and use the money to target a 1RW. Could also play Lekkerimaki on

I've said this before but, is there really a point in extending Boeser just to bring him back to play with Suter and DOC again? Is that how you bring out the best in Brock and will he justify his contract in that setting? Is icing the same forward group, with the exception of adding Lekk, really going to be satisfactory for management and fans? I know I would be disappointed in that case.

This is the wrong way of looking at imo. You totally don't have to replace Garland at all if you're being practical and choose not to. Sherwood is a perfectly good option at 3RW, and he's already on the team so we save $5 mil right there. Garland is better obviously but he's also a luxury tough to afford.

Could trade Garland or Boeser, and use that money on a 1RW.

 

[Kryten]

This summer will make the 2016 signings and future buyouts look like childs play

 

[Baby Pettersson]

This summer will make the 2016 signings and future buyouts look like childs play

You mean like we're gonna see crazy ass deals handed out? Yes.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Tehncailly if we move out Soucy, there is like 6.5M in cap to upgrade the 2C position. Ideally you free up more cap so you can spend more on that 2C and leave enough cap so we can toll it and add another piece in TDL.

But you do have to wonder if Hoglander is going to be the guy out. Ideally you want DeBrusk, Joshua and DoC as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line winger and then you figure out an upgrade on the 1st line LW. Freeing up his 3M and maybe Garland's 5M would give us 8M to spend for that 1 position and we can run with like Raty/Sasson/Karlsson as the 4th line winger and bump Sherwood up to the 3rd line.




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I know it's been said by me a million times but that's actually looks like a decent lineup if you could plug a happy JT Miller in at 2nd line and Pete is playing like a first line centre. Just hard to fathom how different this team is from last year.

 

[Jerry the great]

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[Baby Pettersson]

My prediction for the deadline is we land a 2C on some term. I feel like Schenn is a great candidate that I wouldn't be opposed to.

Anyone have any idea on the cost for him?

 

[Baby Pettersson]

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He's a clown!

 

[Kryten]

Boeser and our 1st for Horvat

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Ya, it sucks for Boeser that he’s in such a poor position to succeed in terms of producing in his contract year, verses last year, for example, but unless the Canucks find a dynamic centre, or Petey returns to form and meshes with Boeser again, they should be paying him based on this year’s production which is actually closer to his usual historical production than last year which looks more like an outlier.

I don’t doubt that Boeser is trying to get paid based on last year’s season though, and I also don’t doubt he will get much closer to that in free agency than what this year’s play justifies and probably from a team that will get more out of him.

This season sucks for Boeser in terms of production, but could be a silver lining for the team signing him as he might be willing to take a little bit less than a 40 goal scorer salary.

I dug a little deeper to the cap situation for next season. According to capwages.com, we have about $12.5m for next season (assuming we only carry Demko and Lankinen, which is probably unrealistic due to Demko always getting hurt). If you sign Boeser to even $8m, and replace Suter with a reasonable 3C at $3m, that leaves no room to make any upgrade.

I guess one option is to dump Hoglander and Soucy for another $6.25m, but 1) which center is available for that much amount, and 2) is that player able to mesh with Boeser and create a 2nd line duo?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

while i think the situation is way more nuanced than they make it out to be (I'd be frustrated with this media market this season if I was Pettersson too), it's entirely appropriate for D&D to stick up for their industry and colleagues. Frustrated or not Pettersson's comments added nothing but fuel to the fire.

I'd do the same if I were them, but I'm not.

He's taking the stupidest questions right now and he's not equipped to answer them because answering truthfully could get him more hurt.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Tehncailly if we move out Soucy, there is like 6.5M in cap to upgrade the 2C position. Ideally you free up more cap so you can spend more on that 2C and leave enough cap so we can toll it and add another piece in TDL.

But you do have to wonder if Hoglander is going to be the guy out. Ideally you want DeBrusk, Joshua and DoC as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th line winger and then you figure out an upgrade on the 1st line LW. Freeing up his 3M and maybe Garland's 5M would give us 8M to spend for that 1 position and we can run with like Raty/Sasson/Karlsson as the 4th line winger and bump Sherwood up to the 3rd line.




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Yea I was typing out a post that is essentially the same as yours, and I guess we do have options. Its going to be a very thin lineup, but it is doable for next season to extend Boeser up to $8m, let go of Suter + Soucy + Hog and have enough cap space to acquire a 2C, ala Norris (as an example, not the player I would personally target).

Thanks for laying out the salary chart above, makes it more clear for sure.

This is the wrong way of looking at imo. You totally don't have to replace Garland at all if you're being practical and choose not to. Sherwood is a perfectly good option at 3RW, and he's already on the team so we save $5 mil right there. Garland is better obviously but he's also a luxury tough to afford.

Could trade Garland or Boeser, and use that money on a 1RW.

I guess you can run Boeser/Sherwood/Lekk on RW next season, I guess that is viable. But that puts a lot of pressure on Lekk to produce right away, and we do lose Garland's unique energy and puck control, as well as some PK utility. But that is one option as well.

 

[ManVanFan]

Wow, that would be even more than what I was expecting in a worst case scenario.

I think the team can already extend Boeser to 8x7.5, if they want to, without moving Garland. We do have the cap space for that next season.

The problem is extending Boeser to that contract essentially mean you are bringing back the same team we are icing right now, which is not a very good team. Trading Garland and extending Boeser opens up some cap space, but then you have to replace Garland (a middle 6 winger that can either compliment a top 6, or drive his own 3rd line), which would cost you at least $5m anyways.

I've said this before but, is there really a point in extending Boeser just to bring him back to play with Suter and DOC again? Is that how you bring out the best in Brock and will he justify his contract in that setting? Is icing the same forward group, with the exception of adding Lekk, really going to be satisfactory for management and fans? I know I would be disappointed in that case.

Boeser would play with Chytil or Pettersson. 11.75M in cap space. 19/23 Boeser at 8M leaves 3 spots for 3.75M. You aren't upgrading anything for that and the amount of wingers they would have then.

Debrusk, Joshua, Sherwood, Garland, Boeser, Lekkerimaki, O'Connor, Hoglander. That's not very inspiring.

Garland salary and Soucy salary could get Ehlers in FA and Van would gain assets from the Soucy and Garland trades.

 

[arttk]

Yea I was typing out a post that is essentially the same as yours, and I guess we do have options. Its going to be a very thin lineup, but it is doable for next season to extend Boeser up to $8m, let go of Suter + Soucy + Hog and have enough cap space to acquire a 2C, ala Norris (as an example, not the player I would personally target).

Thanks for laying out the salary chart above, makes it more clear for sure.


I guess you can run Boeser/Sherwood/Lekk on RW next season, I guess that is viable. But that puts a lot of pressure on Lekk to produce right away, and we do lose Garland's unique energy and puck control, as well as some PK utility. But that is one option as well.

Yeah I think the key part is we can’t spend to the cap, we need to be like 2-3M away from it so we can add another piece or two at TDL and then keep those pieces as the cap shoot to like 105 or something the season after.

 

[Orr4Norris]

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This just proves hockey players have mashed potatoes for brains. Hughes hasn’t been cleared to play for the Canucks yet.

 

[wonton15]

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Brady’s face is shady business

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I'm all aboard the Zegras train if he is available.

 

[IComeInPeace]

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Like most conspiracy theories, you can tell Brady really invested the time and effort into thinking this through thoroughly.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I bet Brady can't even spell his own last name correctly.