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[m9]

What about a dumb team? I think a dumb team might be interested in him. Also a desperate team.

Dumb & desperate is always the preferred option if available, yes.

 

[Vector]

Dumb & desperate is always the preferred option if available, yes.

To the Flyers he goes!

 

[JohnHodgson]

I think it's going to have to be a bad team that takes a chance on Boeser. No way will a competitive team want to take on a guy making double what he should be, they won't have the space.

So I think Anaheim could be an option as it would be a decent reclamation project for them, especially for free.

Maybe just wishful thinking by me.

Reputation matters a LOT in the NHL.

There are probably a ton of GMs around the league that think Boeser is still an electric top six goal scoring winger that just needs a change of scenery. GMs love reclamation projects.

Most likely scenario is that we retain $1-1.5M and get some moderate assets like a 2nd + B prospect for Boeser after the UFA frenzy is over.

 

[rypper]

Was the flyers inability to make any trades at the TDL due to incompetence or Fletcher being restricted by ownership to do anything? (ie pink slips in the mail.)

Regardless. The league needs more dumb managers, we did our turn now it's someone else's time.

 

[dbaz]

the fact the ufa crop is so weak, and even though hes not playing well and still puts up 50+pts is going to have gms calling for boeser

 

[Nucker101]

I’d be kinda angry as a Pens fan if true. Miller would help that team a lot more over the next three seasons than Granlund will.

From what I read on TDL day there’s a mix of mostly anger and some coping with some of their homer fans thinking Granlund/Kulikov/Bonino are the depth they needed

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

There are Myers-level defensemen available for 1.5-3M every summer.

This is the exact myth that should stop being perpetuated.

Everyone seems to focus so much on cap, which is important to re-sign your good players, but having 6 mil in cal doesn’t suddenly equate your ability to sign the 6 mil player you want.

The skill in the league is finite. Letting players walk for nothing because injuries, slight overpayment, etc, is bad asset mgmt.

Don’t make me go back to the old Tanev threads but there’s a shocking number of people that were fine to let him walk. (Which I thought, and still think was one of the most egregious moves Benning made)

 

[JohnHodgson]

the fact the ufa crop is so weak, and even though hes not playing well and still puts up 50+pts is going to have gms calling for boeser

That's what we're counting on.

If Boeser was an UFA, he'd probably be at the top of the list alongside Domi.

His 2 year contract (especially retained) would be very attractive and low risk.

 

[andora]

This is the exact myth that should stop being perpetuated.

Everyone seems to focus so much on cap, which is important to re-sign your good players, but having 6 mil in cal doesn’t suddenly equate your ability to sign the 6 mil player you want.

The skill in the league is finite. Letting players walk for nothing because injuries, slight overpayment, etc, is bad asset mgmt.

Don’t make me go back to the old Tanev threads but there’s a shocking number of people that were fine to let him walk. (Which I thought, and still think was one of the most egregious moves Benning made)

With all that said you need to identify what the players are you are comparing

This concept is exactly the premise of effective asset management. When a guy needs a new contract and he is asking for a 3.5 million dollar, based on say tenure, a good season etc.. if is the teams job to identify what they have internally that can replace the true impact of the player, or what percentage of that player can be replaced at what cost and do the analysis. Same applies for identifying ufa and trade targets

Now bad decisions come into this and mistakes - that is where tanev can enter the chat. That was a mistake under this format - as who replaced him didnt replace him, and certainly not for cheaper

Myers is the exact candidate you move off of as his ROI right now is in the red, that should be clear as day, especially when you look at roster efficiency and how they want to play. Sure if he was the only problem you got, maybe he gets a little better in this system but you got a 7plus problem on the other side with OEL

You pick one problem and try and move the other - and since you are kind of handciffed with one of them you move the other ones

But making effective business objective decisions and letting a player walk you can replace for pennies on their dollar is asset management, as you hang on too long that contract affects other contracts and other decisions

 

[God]

Boeser will be traded for Provorov and we will all question how to feel about getting a better player who has dumb politics (not up for debate)

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

This is nothing like losing Tanev.

It absolutely is in the way that many of the Canucks fan base was completely fine with it and the moment he was gone, we needed to find an exactly another one of Tanev.

Once Myers is going, people will be like “oh, our D is tiny. We could really use a big RHD, even if it’s on the third pairing.”

Is he in the same caliber as tanev? Not even close.

But yes, the same mentality of discarding a player because cap, or injuries, or whatever, even without a replacement is there. GMs don’t (usually) do this.

 

[Vector]

Boeser will be traded for Provorov and we will all question how to feel about getting a better player who has dumb politics (not up for debate)

Maybe they'll completely lose their minds and trade Sanheim instead.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

With all that said you need to identify what the players are you are comparing

This concept is exactly the premise of effective asset management. When a guy needs a new contract and he is asking for a 3.5 million dollar, based on say tenure, a good season etc.. if is the teams job to identify what they have internally that can replace the true impact of the player, or what percentage of that player can be replaced at what cost and do the analysis. Same applies for identifying ufa and trade targets

Now bad decisions come into this and mistakes - that is where tanev can enter the chat. That was a mistake under this format - as who replaced him didnt replace him, and certainly not for cheaper

Myers is the exact candidate you move off of as his ROI right now is in the red, that should be clear as day, especially when you look at roster efficiency and how they want to play. Sure if he was the only problem you got, maybe he gets a little better in this system but you got a 7plus problem on the other side with OEL

You pick one problem and try and move the other - and since you are kind of handciffed with one of them you move the other ones

But making effective business objective decisions and letting a player walk you can replace for pennies on their dollar is asset management, as you hang on too long that contract affects other contracts and other decisions

The problem is, the current return on Myers is better than the return the cap space provides. Cap space doesn’t automatically equal the positive value everyone around here says it does. In fact, in the free agency market, it usually doesn’t.

That’s my point.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This is the exact myth that should stop being perpetuated.

Everyone seems to focus so much on cap, which is important to re-sign your good players, but having 6 mil in cal doesn’t suddenly equate your ability to sign the 6 mil player you want.

The skill in the league is finite. Letting players walk for nothing because injuries, slight overpayment, etc, is bad asset mgmt.

Don’t make me go back to the old Tanev threads but there’s a shocking number of people that were fine to let him walk. (Which I thought, and still think was one of the most egregious moves Benning made)

I was one of them..after reading Harman Dayal 's reasons for not re signing Tanev..Based on his repetitive injury history, and his age, I bought in..it looked like a poor bet.

He was precisely the type of player that we couldn't replace..and fit like a glove paired with Hughes.

 

[andora]

The problem is, the current return on Myers is better than the return the cap space provides. Cap space doesn’t automatically equal the positive value everyone around here says it does. In fact, in the free agency market, it usually doesn’t.

That’s my point.

I don't know what the proper literary term for it is but your point is kind of the same as saying "well duh"

The concept is valid and needs to be executed effectively.. if you identify the wrong players it doesnt work / and if you identify the right players based on your team it succeeds.

It is asset management

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Hextall pissing off the fan base? Shocker.

He will be gone once the Pens get bounced.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It absolutely is in the way that many of the Canucks fan base was completely fine with it and the moment he was gone, we needed to find an exactly another one of Tanev.

Once Myers is going, people will be like “oh, our D is tiny. We could really use a big RHD, even if it’s on the third pairing.”

Is he in the same caliber as tanev? Not even close.

But yes, the same mentality of discarding a player because cap, or injuries, or whatever, even without a replacement is there. GMs don’t (usually) do this.

The difference being Tanev was an extremely effective player that was arguably underpaid whereas Myers is an extremely ineffective player that is grossly overpaid. Tyler Myers role for next season can be easily replaced for $2M with a Luke Schenn type. The team is still in need of a Tanev replacement 3 years later. Comparing the two situations is, bizarre.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

It absolutely is in the way that many of the Canucks fan base was completely fine with it and the moment he was gone, we needed to find an exactly another one of Tanev.

Once Myers is going, people will be like “oh, our D is tiny. We could really use a big RHD, even if it’s on the third pairing.”

Then trade him and sign Gudas for like $3M. You still bank a ton of cap space and you get a guy who is physical night in, night out; not once every 8 games.

 

[Vector]

Hextall pissing off the fan base? Shocker.

He will be gone once the Pens get bounced.

Wouldn't be surprised if they miss the playoffs, Burke pushes Hextall to go on all in and he makes increasingly bone-headed win-now trades. They legitimately could use a Brock Boeser-type and will have around 20m in cap space this summer.

 

[credulous]

i don't think you ever really get good value for cap space buying players in free agency but myers is so inefficient that it's probably possible to upgrade on him in free agency even if you retain on his contract

similar boeser

the problem for the canucks though is that replacing incredibly inefficient contracts with only mildly inefficient contracts doesn't really help them given their cap situation

 

[m9]

I just don't want to dump Myers to re-start a terrible Myers-esque deal. That was the rumour last year with them dumping Myers to sign Klingberg. I'd include in that I really don't want Bear for 4x4 or whatever is being discussed.

Would much rather just ride it out with Myers than that scenario.

 

[Luck 6]

Honestly I think something like Myers and Lekkerimaki for a 3rd from Arizona might be the best bet. There might be teams that still hold him in high regard.

We only have Myers for 1 more year… Why would we be giving away a high pick or high end prospect to move him?

 

[Vector]

 

[Peter Griffin]

For the love of god do the 1 year deal on Bear. He’s not a guy I want to see them locking in longterm unless it’s a great AAV.

 

[racerjoe]

Maybe they'll completely lose their minds and trade Sanheim instead.

There was rumors that they were at least thinking of trading him.