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[ziploc]

OEL as a contributing but limited bottom pairing D is, frustratingly, more sensible than buying him out. Even more so if he is a contributing middle pairing D. But I'm not convinced he can be either of those things, or perform better than Wolanin. I guess we'll see.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Hughes - Bear
Gavrikov - Hronek
OEL - Livingstone

This is an improvement and is a step towards a much better defense. OEL could be bought out in 2024 (team will have a 2M cap hit) - this will largely depend on the Hronek and Petterson contracts imo.

 

[Vector]

I'm not convinced that OEL is better than Wolanin. Kind of all it comes down to it for me.

 

[Bankerguy]

Hughes - Bear
Gavrikov - Hronek
OEL - Livingstone

This is an improvement and is a step towards a much better defense. OEL could be bought out in 2024 (team will have a 2M cap hit) - this will largely depend on the Hronek and Petterson contracts imo.

This is really good. Especially if Livingstone shows signs of being able to improve. any idea if Canucks are interested?
also, what is Gavrikov's expected aav ask?

 

[credulous]

the rumour is that gavrikov is going to florida. i also wouldn't be suprised if he reups in los angeles if they have playoff success

 

[ziploc]

Hughes - Bear
Gavrikov - Hronek
OEL - Livingstone

This is an improvement and is a step towards a much better defense. OEL could be bought out in 2024 (team will have a 2M cap hit) - this will largely depend on the Hronek and Petterson contracts imo.

It does look better, and there should be some good call ups as well with Brisebois, Juulsen, Rathbone (does he still exist?) and hopefully Wolanin waiting in the wings for the inevitable injuries.

This obviously presumes at least three signings (Bear, Gavrikov, Livingstone), and a huge expenditure on the defence, even if/when we launch Myers into space.

 

[credulous]

i think hronek is their big move on d. i think next year the team starts with:

hughes - bear
oel - hronek
mikkola (?) - myers
poolman

they need to move out myers to go after a big ticket defender but they need a big ticket defender to move out myers. i think the timing and the money is too hard to solve for

mikkola could be almost anyone. i think any free agents they add on d are going to be much more modest than we expect. if livingstone or malinsky sign i think they start in abby barring a very good camp

 

[Vector]

the rumour is that gavrikov is going to florida. i also wouldn't be suprised if he reups in los angeles if they have playoff success

Post the rumour.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he re-signs with the Kings.

 

[sting101]

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[Diamonddog01]

Post the rumour.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he re-signs with the Kings.

Kings are already pretty tight against the cap next year - currently have 8M in cap space with no starting goalie and Villardi unsigned. I did read on their board that the existing players wives made an effort to welcome Gavrikov’s partner / wife so presumably the organization would like to keep him but seems a bit tricky at the moment.

 

[Vector]

Kings are already pretty tight against the cap next year - currently have 8M in cap space with no starting goalie and Villardi unsigned. I did read on their board that the existing players wives made an effort to welcome Gavrikov’s partner / wife so presumably the organization would like to keep him but seems a bit tricky at the moment.

They could pretty easily ship out Matt Roy for a minor return. That would put them at around 11m and only need to get a LD and goalie. If they want to clear out more space they could get rid of Sean Walker. Even if they need to pay a small price to get rid of him the Kings can easily afford it. They already have multiple in-house replacements for both of them.

 

[vancityluongo]

i think there's a win-win path with an LTIRetirement for OEL following next season, followed by a true retirement (foregoing salary) the year after

here's the buyout calc:

now let's look at it from the player's perspective for a second; a buyout means OEL loses out on $8m in actual income next year, and $9.7m over the duration of the contract. if he retires after two years, he forgoes $10.5m, but that's not a front-loaded loss like a buyout would be.

unless he thinks that he can replace that with another contract - and the klingberg situation this summer will be very indicative of what he would be worth on the open market - it's probably his best financial bet to get his full guaranteed salary next year playing whatever minutes he can (sitting as a healthy scratch or spending time on LTIR to manage minor injuries under the guise of load management), and having a quiet deal with the team to go on LTIR for the year after (fail a physical, develop an allergy, etc.)

not sure how it all works, but if his contract is insured, he might even be able to re-coup a part of his last two years of salary if he retires due to an inability to play; or he could make up a chunk of it with a cushy pro-scouting job in whatever part of the world he wants to be in.

from's the canucks perspective, no way in hell should they be going into the 2025-26 season (second year of pettersson's new deal and with kuzmenko expiring) with nearly $5m removed from the cap. 2025-2027 is the contending window they've set out. the OEL buyout would f*** it up.

it would be unbeliveably short sighted IMO for a non-playoff team to make this move just to have space to make the playoffs next year. i can wrap my head around an incremental build - a buyout would be closer to the "all-in" logic of acquiring OEL in the first place.

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if they do the buyout after next season, it makes a bit more sense from OEL's perspective, but still hurts the Canucks in those crucial years

 

[Horvat1C]

[Elite complimentary offense] - [Franchise Superstar 1C] - [Complimentary]
[Complimentary] - [Strong 2C] - [Complimentary offense]
[Young complimentary] - ______________ - [Young complimentary offense]

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev
Beauvillier - Miller - Boeser
Podkolzin - _________ - Kravtsov

 

[bandwagonesque]

i think there's a win-win path with an LTIRetirement for OEL following next season, followed by a true retirement (foregoing salary) the year after

here's the buyout calc:

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now let's look at it from the player's perspective for a second; a buyout means OEL loses out on $8m in actual income next year, and $9.7m over the duration of the contract. if he retires after two years, he forgoes $10.5m, but that's not a front-loaded loss like a buyout would be.

unless he thinks that he can replace that with another contract - and the klingberg situation this summer will be very indicative of what he would be worth on the open market - it's probably his best financial bet to get his full guaranteed salary next year playing whatever minutes he can (sitting as a healthy scratch or spending time on LTIR to manage minor injuries under the guise of load management), and having a quiet deal with the team to go on LTIR for the year after (fail a physical, develop an allergy, etc.)

not sure how it all works, but if his contract is insured, he might even be able to re-coup a part of his last two years of salary if he retires due to an inability to play; or he could make up a chunk of it with a cushy pro-scouting job in whatever part of the world he wants to be in.

from's the canucks perspective, no way in hell should they be going into the 2025-26 season (second year of pettersson's new deal and with kuzmenko expiring) with nearly $5m removed from the cap. 2025-2027 is the contending window they've set out. the OEL buyout would f*** it up.

it would be unbeliveably short sighted IMO for a non-playoff team to make this move just to have space to make the playoffs next year. i can wrap my head around an incremental build - a buyout would be closer to the "all-in" logic of acquiring OEL in the first place.

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if they do the buyout after next season, it makes a bit more sense from OEL's perspective, but still hurts the Canucks in those crucial years

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Insurance is for teams, not players. Players' contracts are guaranteed and require no insurance. If he's truly injured, he gets 100 percent of his salary sitting on LTIR and has no incentive to retire.

 

[ziploc]

[Elite complimentary offense] - [Franchise Superstar 1C] - [Complimentary]
[Complimentary] - [Strong 2C] - [Complimentary offense]
[Young complimentary] - ______________ - [Young complimentary offense]

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev
Beauvillier - Miller - Boeser
Podkolzin - _________ - Kravtsov

Now do the defense!!

Also, Boeser should not be part of this roster moving forward.

 

[vancityluongo]

Insurance is for teams, not players. Players' contracts are guaranteed and require no insurance. If he's truly injured, he gets 100 percent of his salary sitting on LTIR and has no incentive to retire.

interesting - thanks. would have sworn i heard of instances of players insuring their contracts as well, but maybe not.

in that case though, yeah, he could be LTIRetired for the whole contract and the Canucks might not have to fully bank it the way they would with a buyout.

 

[Vector]

Now do the defense!!

Also, Boeser should not be part of this roster moving forward.

Swap Boeser for Garland and it's a decent enough forward group. I mean, pretty much every winger is interchangeable except Kuzmenko. It's the funny thing about fantasy GMing this roster. The heavy lifting is the third-line C and defence. However, to properly address those the bad contracts and glut of wingers needs to be addressed first.

And, really, none of us have any idea how much anyone is worth anymore.

 

[bandwagonesque]

interesting - thanks. would have sworn i heard of instances of players insuring their contracts as well, but maybe not.

in that case though, yeah, he could be LTIRetired for the whole contract and the Canucks might not have to fully bank it the way they would with a buyout.

Most players buy disability insurance in case of a career-ending injury that might prevent them from signing future contracts, but I don't think they can or need to insure their own contracts as such.

 

[JT Milker]

Livingstone isn’t signing in Van to play in Abbotsford.

 

[ziploc]

Swap Boeser for Garland and it's a decent enough forward group. I mean, pretty much every winger is interchangeable except Kuzmenko. It's the funny thing about fantasy GMing this roster. The heavy lifting is the third-line C and defence. However, to properly address those the bad contracts and glut of wingers needs to be addressed first.

And, really, none of us have any idea how much anyone is worth anymore.

I would actually be ok with both Boeser and Garland moved. Boeser for preference if only one goes. I am not a big fan of Garland's game, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

(That Macbeth quote begins with the words "Told by an idiot," which also gives an insight into how Garland got to Vancouver).

 

[Vector]

I would actually be ok with both Boeser and Garland moved. Boeser for preference if only one goes. I am not a big fan of Garland's game, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

(That Macbeth quote begins with the words "Told by an idiot," which also gives an insight into how Garland got to Vancouver).

Oh, I’m fine with both going. I like Garland quiets a bit and find he does a lot of things sneakily well. The problem is he’s a supporting character on a team that either needs big talent or value contracts. He’s neither.

 

[Cogburn]

I have nothing against OEL's game specifically, although his decline is troubling. I haven't gotten a read on him since our systemic changes happened, so who knows. What I do know, however, is that his buyout is structured so the Canucks portion is 146,667-2,346,667-4,766,667-4,766,667-2,126,667-2,126,667-2,126,667-2,126,667 if he is bought out this summer. I think he could be a rebound candidate, but I also am tired of saying that about some of these huge contracts that we have had.

That leaves almost 7 million to replace a 2LHD, and we can just wait out Myers (although I wouldn't mind his return at a much lower cap hit). Hughes, Hronek, Myers, Rathbone and Brisebois are all under contract, with Burroughs, Bear, Dermott, and Wolanin all needing contracts, plus Jurmo or Juulsen still being possible depth, are all available options in house, that won't cost assets. We still need a few very key pieces. I'll assume Bear will be back, and wouldn't hate trying Rathbone and Wolanin on the left side...so we need an improvement more then just more D.

My biggest concern is the number of wingers we will have on our roster. Including RFAs, we have Beauvillier, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Boeser, Garland, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Kravtsov, Pearson (LTIR?), Klimovich, Lekkerimaki, Studnicka, DiGiuseppi and Joshua, along with all of our centers also being able to play wing.

Cap space be damned, our biggest obstacle to crafting this roster next year will be finding all the wingers a home. 14 guys that can make a case (and not come out of no where) to make the team is just a waste of assets. A reliable 3C (if Raty/Karlsson/McDonough aren't ready for duty), or slightly overpaid defensive D would be a target for one or two of Boeser, Garland and/or Hoglander.

Which teams have these kinds of pieces available for scoring wingers? Great question, I'm an armchair GM, not a scout or insider. I keep seeing the same teams of Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Carolina, Winnipeg, Washington, Philidelphia and Buffalo in trade proposals on capfriendly, but I still feel that the right fit would be tougher to find.

I mean the Jets seem to be throwing Dillon and Stanley into every trade they come up with, and could probably find a match with either Myers or Hronek on pairings 3 and 2 respectively. Then again they do the same thing with Pionk, and we need him like a hole in the head. Carolina has a lot of defenders in their system, and while I don't like the thought of it, one of Pittsburghs D and a prospect would probably be an alright price for Garland (for example). Granlund as an overpaid 3C could also be better then other situations I could foresee our ownership pushing for, too, as he's a passer with good vision and sense, and can kill penalties.

TL;DR: We can almost not afford not to buy out OEL this summer, if we don't find a trade for him that doesn't require massive retention, anyway, and our priority needs to be finding some defenders that don't make you pucker your butt when ever the puck comes into our end.

 

[Horvat1C]

Now do the defense!!

Also, Boeser should not be part of this roster moving forward.

[Franchise Superstar 1D] - [Complimentary Top-6]
[Complimentary 2nd Pair] - [Bottom Pair]

Hughes - Bear
OEL - Myers

Swapping Myers for Hronek is a massive, massive improvement and is the kind of move that can stabilize an entire defense if it goes well.

 

[kcunac]

Some pretty lame suggestions here. I hope we don’t spend much or give term to any of these guys, especially Barbashev and Kerfoot, if the idea is for them to play C. Maybe if we can get Sundqvist or Kampf on a cheaper deal. I’d like to see if Aman can continue to develop. Him and Joshua are a nice duo I’m the bottom 6.

7 free agent third-line centre targets for the Vancouver Canucks

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[Vector]

Some pretty lame suggestions here. I hope we don’t spend much or give term to any of these guys, especially Barbashev and Kerfoot, if the idea is for them to play C. Maybe if we can get Sundqvist or Kampf on a cheaper deal. I’d like to see if Aman can continue to develop. Him and Joshua are a nice duo I’m the bottom 6.

7 free agent third-line centre targets for the Vancouver Canucks

After trading captain Bo Horvat earlier this year, the Vancouver Canuc...

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One guy I’d be interested in as a stop-gap 3rd line centre would be Pius Suter. He’s had a down season and should come cheaper than his current cap-hit. He’s very young for a UFA; doesn’t even turn 27 until end of May. He’s not the perfect fit but I think he’d do well between Podkolzin and Kravtsov.