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tradervik said:
Okay, but as you implied above, that memo probably had no bearing on any potential Miller trade.
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Absolutely none. It was for long term injuries that would return after the regular season. This was never Miller. A few fans that didn't think too hard got a bit overexcited.
 
I don't think the LTIR memo was related to the Canucks or a Miller trade. Miller being "injured" likely had some truth to it since its a long season and he probably had a bruise somewhere, but him sitting out a game was probably for trade protection. They effectively found a way to sit him out for "trade related reasons" without actually saying that publicly given the media storm it would have caused.

The most likely scenario is probably that the Canucks and Penguins were talking about a Miller trade and got a lot of groundwork done. It sounds like it was two 1st round picks + a roster player for Miller. The Canucks wanted to be sure that they could flip the assets for a young center and that they had a place to offload the roster player they took back. Lots of moving parts compared to a normal trade. The Penguins decided that they didn't want to wait on the Canucks to get the deal done and got Granlund for cheaper instead.
 
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me2 said:
Unless you're looking for a struggling one to try and resurrect, which is the type of player they said they were after.
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Not to play 2nd line center, they want to be competitive next year. They made this very apparent so you can't just bring in a guy and hope he starts to find his way because if he doesn't the season would more than likely be a failure. If they trade Miller they need a guy that can at least play 3rd-line center and hopefully elevate his game to a top-six role.
 
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The numbers of young defense away from Myers is hilarious

Its funny how cancerous he is to the young defense on this team

Rathbone away from Myers = decent (good with Bear, and with Burroughs)
Brisbois away from Myers = decent (good with Schenn, burroughs, and bear)

It is such a big contrast
just get any player away from Myers on a pairing and it is instantly better

but you pair them with Myers, and it's like you dulled their skates, and put a weighted vest on them and said "now get out there"
 
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With Washington missing the playoffs, wonder what they do in the offseason.

I'd be looking hard at them if they want to still keep the band together.

If Kuznetsov wants out and given the Nucks recent affinity for Russian players, maybe a package swap around Miller could be had?

Kuznetsov + Lapierre for Miller + Rathbone

Kuznetsov provides a 2yr stop gap at 2C at a similar price to Miller. Lapierre stocks the pipeline at C allowing the Nucks to focus on drafting a dman (hopefully Reinbacher).

Miller provides the Caps with a Kuznetsov replacement for a team still wanting to compete. Rathbone (if no place in Van for him), provides the Caps with a younger dman who can play the PP if needed.
 
Lapierre doesn't stock anything and shouldn't factor into any sort of drafting decision. I don't even know if I'd trade any of the college FAs for him.
 
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Just A Bit Outside said:
With Washington missing the playoffs, wonder what they do in the offseason.

I'd be looking hard at them if they want to still keep the band together.

If Kuznetsov wants out and given the Nucks recent affinity for Russian players, maybe a package swap around Miller could be had?

Kuznetsov + Lapierre for Miller + Rathbone

Kuznetsov provides a 2yr stop gap at 2C at a similar price to Miller. Lapierre stocks the pipeline at C allowing the Nucks to focus on drafting a dman (hopefully Reinbacher).

Miller provides the Caps with a Kuznetsov replacement for a team still wanting to compete. Rathbone (if no place in Van for him), provides the Caps with a younger dman who can play the PP if needed.
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I might give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for Lapierre. Not really an attractive asset at all.
 
a miller for kuznetsov swap makes the canucks worse in the short term and doesn't really solve anything long term (except avoid the cap commitment if they want to rebuild). it would make more sense for the canucks to swap miller for picks and prospects and target kuznetsov in a separate deal. i don't know what vancouver have to offer washington though
 
Kuznetsov is a clear downgrade. The guy got his cup and it shows on and off the ice. Would rather have a hungry/angry Miller than a placated Kuznetsov.
 
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Washington has draft assets to trade if they want to continue contending, but I don't think it's enough. They have a ton of flawed or useless and highly paid players, no depth, and basically no prospects.
 
If your trading with Washington I would want their 2023 1st, Iorio, and McMicheal/Lapierre
 


Very brief but Dreger backs-up the Canucks-Penguins rumour: two 1sts and a roster player. Won’t name the player since they are still on the Penguins. Does say the Canucks were trying to flip the player. Doesn’t go any deeper than that.
 
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Very brief but Dreger backs-up the Canucks-Penguins rumour: two 1sts and a roster player. Won’t name the player since they are still on the Penguins. Does say the Canucks were trying to flip the player. Doesn’t go any deeper than that.
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They'd be crazy not to take this running away, only problem is trading Miller instantly makes you need a player like Miller again and I think that might be why it wasn't done. That deal is a song, on the back end of it especially.
 
Maybe Zucker wouldn’t waive his NTC for Vancouver so they were trying to find a 3rd party to take him.
 
Reverend Mayhem said:
They'd be crazy not to take this running away, only problem is trading Miller instantly makes you need a player like Miller again and I think that might be why it wasn't done. That deal is a song, on the back end of it especially.
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I think this is exactly why it didn't get done.

Trading Miller for 2 1sts makes sense but... what then? Our center depth is already a major weakness, then we trade our second best center?

There has to be a contingency plan to replace him with someone adequate at 2C. No trade will happen until we find a replacement.
 
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m9 said:
Accomplishing both parts of the plan at once is going to be incredibly difficult. So if your plan is to move on from Miller and your asking price has been met, then you probably should just do it and then at least you have the liquid assets in terms of picks/cap space to acquire that center when they become available.

Also it sets you up better to tank the season and maybe get lucky at the draft with a top pick that could fill that.

You have to be willing to take risks to accomplish your goals here and it seems like they didn't want to.
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I don't think the plan is to just "dump" or "move on" from Miller.

Good, young centers are almost impossible to acquire. Last guy that sort of fits the mold was Kirby Dach and he was pretty bad at center, and might not be a long-term center. Most teams want at least three good centers on their team... there's only so many centers available across the league.

I think they are pretty comfortable with JT Miller's contract (as they should be - he likely has 4-5 good years left before the contract might be a problem). They signed it so one would hope they are comfortable with the deal. I don't think their plan necessitates that they trade JTM.

I think they are OPEN to dealing him if the right circumstances align. As you mentioned, it's going to be incredibly difficult... that's why the deadline deal was hard to orchestrate. I think the rationale is that Pittsburgh will likely offer the same deal to Vancouver in the offseason.

The long-term deal won't really be a big deal for PIttsburgh since the will be rebuildling in 4-5 years after Crosby and Malkin slow down. 2 1sts + Granlund is still a fair offer. We can try to flip Granlund with retention or keep him as a 3C.

Need to parlay those picks for a young 2C. Not many on the market...
 
me2 said:
Unless you're looking for a struggling one to try and resurrect, which is the type of player they said they were after.
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If they are looking for a project player at 2C then they might as well just start the rebuild
 
Watching Calgary a player I would really like Canucks to look at is Adam Ruzicka. Sutter has been cutting his minutes lately he has pretty good production for averaging 11 minutes a game. He could be a nice option for a third line center or even winger that would not costs a ton to acquire.
 
JohnHodgson said:
I don't think the plan is to just "dump" or "move on" from Miller.

Good, young centers are almost impossible to acquire. Last guy that sort of fits the mold was Kirby Dach and he was pretty bad at center, and might not be a long-term center. Most teams want at least three good centers on their team... there's only so many centers available across the league.

I think they are pretty comfortable with JT Miller's contract (as they should be - he likely has 4-5 good years left before the contract might be a problem). They signed it so one would hope they are comfortable with the deal. I don't think their plan necessitates that they trade JTM.

I think they are OPEN to dealing him if the right circumstances align. As you mentioned, it's going to be incredibly difficult... that's why the deadline deal was hard to orchestrate. I think the rationale is that Pittsburgh will likely offer the same deal to Vancouver in the offseason.

The long-term deal won't really be a big deal for PIttsburgh since the will be rebuildling in 4-5 years after Crosby and Malkin slow down. 2 1sts + Granlund is still a fair offer. We can try to flip Granlund with retention or keep him as a 3C.

Need to parlay those picks for a young 2C. Not many on the market...
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Given Vancouver’s stated desire to be competitive—the only way a JT Miller trade makes sense is if they are flipping those picks immediately for someone else. Perhaps a younger player who hasn’t quite broken through. Similar to the Dach trade that you mentioned.

My problem with that logic—why doesn’t the hypothetical team that is acquiring Miller go after that young C themselves?

The other issue is what sort of Cs are out there that even fit that flip-framework that would actually be available? It must be someone that the Canucks professional scouting are confident can make that sort of jump—and that the selling team is comfortable jettisoning. Not sure who fits that profile.
 
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