Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[rypper]

Miller was out week to week, and then was magically healthy enough to play right after the trade deadline.

There definitely was something going on, if the Pens acquired him and put him on LTIR until more favorable for their cap position, or something else.

 

[m9]

It doesn't make any sense for Miller to be traded to a new team and then go on LTIR for a month at a time when his new team desperately needs him to make the playoffs. And then yeah, he came back immediately and has played extremely well since then.

This "Miller to LTIR so they can trade him and the league veto'd it" is just tinfoil hat junk. It was started because some people have PTSD and think every new rule or application of a rule is some direct shot at the Canucks.

 

[Vector]

Miller was out week to week, and then was magically healthy enough to play right after the trade deadline.

There definitely was something going on, if the Pens acquired him and put him on LTIR until more favorable for their cap position, or something else.

He was never placed on LTIR. Or IR. He was just being held out and they all used the injury excuse to avoid “trade-related reasons” scrutiny.

 

[tradervik]

I don't remember the league putting out an LTIR memo. What I do remember is the league clarifying that, if a team retains on a player whose current contract is expiring and already has signed an extension, the retention carries over to the next contract. The thought was that maybe the Canucks had a deal to move Miller that could have gone through if they could retain on Miller for the current season only, and not have to retain on his 8x7 extension. Maybe they had that deal with Pittsburgh, and the Penguins decided to include Zucker as a cap dump after the memo came out. As to why the Penguins wanted to have a cap neutral trade (for the current season), maybe they had their eyes on another player they wanted to acquire, or maybe the Canucks were including another $5 million+ player in the deal.

 

[Vector]

I don't remember the league putting out an LTIR memo. What I do remember is the league clarifying that, if a team retains on a player whose current contract is expiring and already has signed an extension, the retention carries over to the next contract. The thought was that maybe the Canucks had a deal to move Miller that could have gone through if they could retain on Miller for the current season only, and not have to retain on his 8x7 extension. Maybe they had that deal with Pittsburgh, and the Penguins decided to include Zucker as a cap dump after the memo came out. As to why the Penguins wanted to have a cap neutral trade (for the current season), maybe they had their eyes on another player they wanted to acquire, or maybe the Canucks were including another $5 million+ player in the deal.

You’re memory is poor.

 

[tradervik]

You’re memory is poor.

Okay, but as you implied above, that memo probably had no bearing on any potential Miller trade.

 

[Vector]

Okay, but as you implied above, that memo probably had no bearing on any potential Miller trade.

Oh yeah totally. The idea that Miller was going on LTIR was Canucks Twitter being a gaggle of dumbasses and had no basis in reality. The timing was hilarious and the reported length of injury matched but it was pretty immediately proven a silly notion.

The memo was directed at Nyquist. A week prior there were a bunch of reports has he was valuable because he would be healthy for the playoffs.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Oh yeah totally. The idea that Miller was going on LTIR was Canucks Twitter being a gaggle of dumbasses and had no basis in reality. The timing was hilarious and the reported length of injury matched but it was pretty immediately proven a silly notion.

The memo was directed at Nyquist. A week prior there were a bunch of reports has he was valuable because he would be healthy for the playoffs.

Stop attacking my fake Twitter account.

 

[God]

I don't believe this for a second. The Canucks could have flipped the picks later. They did that with the Horvat trade! It doesn't make sense.

On the Canucks side, I suspect the issue was too much bad money coming back (and I doubt it was Zucker - he's playing well, and it's an expiring contract).

Horvat was an expiring contract so they had to act. With JT, it doesn't sound like they hate him, and he's signed for 8 years. They didn't want to be left with the picks instead of an actual improvement to the roster.

 

[m9]

Horvat was an expiring contract so they had to act. With JT, it doesn't sound like they hate him, and he's signed for 8 years. They didn't want to be left with the picks instead of an actual improvement to the roster.

I agree this is what happened, but it's just bizarre to me that this team feels some sort of pressure and/or rush to find that young center at the trade deadline vs just collecting the assets and looking at their options in the off-season. I don't know if it's lack of patience or being scared or what.

 

[God]

I agree this is what happened, but it's just bizarre to me that this team feels some sort of pressure and/or rush to find that young center at the trade deadline vs just collecting the assets and looking at their options in the off-season. I don't know if it's lack of patience or being scared or what.

Finding a young centre in the 20-24 age range in return for Miller is a clear priority. Doing the trade for the 2 picks doesn't guarantee that, and they could be left making the pick in the 20-30 range, which doesn't accomplish what they want and would be seen as a negative outcome because you're downgrading from a 1st line player to an 18 year old decent (but not great) prospect.

If Pittsburgh were to re-visit the trade at the draft, and a team really wanted a player at #20 overall (as an example), then they could probably facilitate the trade then and guarantee their desired outcome.

(I am not saying this is correct but I see why the trade didn't happen)

 

[m9]

Finding a young centre in the 20-24 age range in return for Miller is a clear priority. Doing the trade for the 2 picks doesn't guarantee that, and they could be left making the pick in the 20-30 range, which doesn't accomplish what they want and would be seen as a negative outcome because you're downgrading from a 1st line player to an 18 year old decent (but not great) prospect.

If Pittsburgh were to re-visit the trade at the draft, and a team really wanted a player at #20 overall (as an example), then they could probably facilitate the trade then and guarantee their desired outcome.

(I am not saying this is correct but I see why the trade didn't happen)

Accomplishing both parts of the plan at once is going to be incredibly difficult. So if your plan is to move on from Miller and your asking price has been met, then you probably should just do it and then at least you have the liquid assets in terms of picks/cap space to acquire that center when they become available.

Also it sets you up better to tank the season and maybe get lucky at the draft with a top pick that could fill that.

You have to be willing to take risks to accomplish your goals here and it seems like they didn't want to.

 

[tradervik]

You guys are drawing strong conclusions based on very weak evidence.

 

[ahmon]

would trade Miller in the offseason. I believe management knows its best to move him and find another 2C solution.

Hopefully his "better" play after the deadline has piqued the interest of some teams.

 

[andora]

would trade Miller in the offseason. I believe management knows its best to move him and find another 2C solution.

Hopefully his "better" play after the deadline has piqued the interest of some teams.

With how many teams look listless these days i am sure miller the player is interesting for sure

 

[credulous]

i was skeptical about the miller rumours but with tocchet calling him out last night and people continuing to talk about it i'm beginning to believe the front office would like to move miller if possible

 

[ahmon]

I mean if guys like Tocchet and Foote can't keep Miller in line, I doubt any coaching staff can, then he's simply not a player you can count on.

If the goal is to win a cup, there's so much more adversity to face. if Miller is quitting on a team in a meaningless game against Seattle in april, I can't imagine how he will act if the team is down 3-1 in a playoffs series.

If its 2 1st, take the deal and run

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

The biggest issue with trying to move Boeser and Miller is the fact that the same management group literally locked them up to deals that tanked their trade value.

Which makes it hard to believe they are trying to move them both, and makes me skeptical of the Pittsburgh rumor. I cannot see a FO group being that incompetent (well, aside from the previous guys).

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

i was skeptical about the miller rumours but with tocchet calling him out last night and people continuing to talk about it i'm beginning to believe the front office would like to move miller if possible

I mean if guys like Tocchet and Foote can't keep Miller in line, I doubt any coaching staff can, then he's simply not a player you can count on.

If the goal is to win a cup, there's so much more adversity to face. if Miller is quitting on a team in a meaningless game against Seattle in april, I can't imagine how he will act if the team is down 3-1 in a playoffs series.

If its 2 1st, take the deal and run

Talk about reading into something that's not even there..Miller has been a beast of a player since Tocchet took over, and is on a 82 point pace.

RT was mainly talking about Miller's body language after he missed a breakaway..Miller had a mini meltdown at the bench..RT has previously said that that behaviour wont be tolerated...A million miles away from they're trying to/want to move him.

 

[m9]

You guys are drawing strong conclusions based on very weak evidence.

I don't think anyone is drawing any conclusions. There was some "information" around the trade deadline presented and it's an interesting discussion, even though some of us are skeptical how reliable the information is

 

[bossram]

You guys are drawing strong conclusions based on very weak evidence.

1. Reports are that VAN and PIT are in heavy talks about trading Miller.

2. Miller is held out of a game because of a "week-to-week injury".

3. Reports are that trade talks fall through.

4. Miller recovers from his "week-to-week injury".

5. Notable reporters leak possible trade returns later on.

Seems like a lot of evidence for exactly what happened.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

would trade Miller in the offseason. I believe management knows its best to move him and find another 2C solution.

Hopefully his "better" play after the deadline has piqued the interest of some teams.

Easier said than done. Especially if you are looking for U-25 center. Their is not many if any available.

 

[tradervik]

1. Reports are that VAN and PIT are in heavy talks about trading Miller.

2. Miller is held out of a game because of a "week-to-week injury".

3. Reports are that trade talks fall through.

4. Miller recovers from his "week-to-week injury".

5. Notable reporters leak possible trade returns later on.

Seems like a lot of evidence for exactly what happened.

Sure, this is all quite plausible and coming from a guy with proven sources (Seravilli).

I agree this is what happened, but it's just bizarre to me that this team feels some sort of pressure and/or rush to find that young center at the trade deadline vs just collecting the assets and looking at their options in the off-season. I don't know if it's lack of patience or being scared or what.

This is where I think people are trying for a bridge too far.

 

[m9]

Sure, this is all quite plausible and coming from a guy with proven sources (Seravilli).

This is where I think people are trying for a bridge too far.

I figured that is what you were referring to.

My thought is based on the hypothetical situation where the team didn't follow through with a Miller trade because they didn't have a replacement center already lined up. If the preference is to move on from that $56 million dollar deal and someone has met your asking price I don't think you just turn down the deal simply because you don't have your next trade agreed to.

 

[tradervik]

If the preference is to move on from that $56 million dollar deal and someone has met your asking price I don't think you just turn down the deal simply because you don't have your next trade agreed to.

I totally agree.