Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[Vector]

Will be fascinating if they revisit this around the draft.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Will be fascinating if they revisit this around the draft.

Sucks to be them. He's now worth at least 3 firsts!

 

[VanillaCoke]

Hopefully pens miss

 

[Vector]

Hunted down the actual podcast.

At the 34:00 minute mark. Not one mention of Zucker.

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Jason: What's one trade you would make this offseason?

Seravalli: Vancouver Canucks trading JT Miller.

Jason: Wow. You think it's possible they could move him? He doesn't have a NMC until July 1st.

Seravalli: Oh yeah. The Pittburgh Penguins, we don't know what's going to happen with their General Manager, they were really interested. I don't know if they would have been able to pull it off at the end. I think the deal they were talking about involved two first round picks. Obviously he's a Pittsburgh kid. He was born in Pittsburgh so I think that adds to it a little bit. I think, they even got to the point where they were talking about the other pieces that they would have to move in order to make it happen. That's the one that I would focus on. We just talked about our free agent class and how weak it is. I think he's the going to be at such premium for a team looking to improve themselves and you worry about the backend of the deal later. Is JT Miller an 8M player right now? I think sort of without question. Will he be one for the next 2,3,4 years? Sort of without question. Then you figure out whatever happens after that. It's like how the Oilers view things with Ekholm. Yeah year 3 or 4 of that contract might not be pretty but you're all about improving your team right now. And if you're the Canucks, I get how well Miller has played of late and for Rick Tocchet but at the same time you have to have everything mapped out over the next number of years and is Miller really part of that?

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For next season the Penguins have 15 players signed and just over 20m in cap space, according to CapFriendly. They have their a 2023 1st & 3rd and are only missing a 2024 5th.

They need a goaltender and only have Casey Desmith signed (1.8m). Ty Smith and Ryan Poejling are their only notable RFAs.

 

[pitseleh]

Hunted down the actual podcast.

At the 34:00 minute mark. Not one mention of Zucker.

Thanks for transcribing. Zucker as the hold up makes no sense given he is a pending UFA.

 

[me2]

Will be fascinating if they revisit this around the draft.

I have no idea what Rutherford is doing. Trading Miller or competing.

 

[God]

From the rumours of them trying to find a third team, the Canucks probably wanted to deal away those first round picks immediately for a young centre. The fact that it didn't happen means they were probably sniffing around playoff teams who would understandably want to retain their depth.

 

[Vector]

From the rumours of them trying to find a third team, the Canucks probably wanted to deal away those first round picks immediately for a young centre. The fact that it didn't happen means they were probably sniffing around playoff teams who would understandably want to retain their depth.

I think it was probably a complicated deal from the Canucks end. Pittsburgh gives up two 1sts and a cap dump. Canucks try and flip that cap dump for an asset. Also try and trade at least one of those draft picks in a Kirby Dach-like deal. Problem is those deals happen at the draft and not the deadline.

 

[m9]

The Penguins had room for Miller for this year and didn't need to dump cap as they went and got Granlund. Something doesn't really add up here with the information we've been presented.

 

[Horvat1C]

I think it was probably a complicated deal from the Canucks end. Pittsburgh gives up two 1sts and a cap dump. Canucks try and flip that cap dump for an asset. Also try and trade at least one of those draft picks in a Kirby Dach-like deal. Problem is those deals happen at the draft and not the deadline.

Based on rumours it sounds like it could be one of Carolina's young centers given the Canucks allegedly asked for Necas in a Horvat deal followed by Kotkaniemi's name being linked to us.

 

[Vector]

The Penguins had room for Miller for this year and didn't need to dump cap as they went and got Granlund. Something doesn't really add up here with the information we've been presented.

My guess would be the cap dump would have been someone with a contract beyond this season. Petry or Carter if they were willing to waive their NMC and the Canucks would move them to a preferred destination. Would explain why moving either player was more complicated than usual.

 

[m9]

My guess would be the cap dump would have been someone with a contract beyond this season. Petry or Carter if they were willing to waive their NMC and the Canucks would move them to a preferred destination. Would explain why moving either player was more complicated than usual.

Yeah, Petry was my guess at the time as he was rumoured to be available. I have no reason to doubt Seravalli though in regards to Zucker but there just has to be more there.

 

[Vector]

Yeah, Petry was my guess at the time as he was rumoured to be available. I have no reason to doubt Seravalli though in regards to Zucker but there just has to be more there.

Well he doesn't mention Zucker. That came from a tweet summarizing it but, as far as I can tell, Seravalli never made a Zucker to the Canucks connection.

 

[m9]

Well he doesn't mention Zucker. That came from a tweet summarizing it but, as far as I can tell, Seravalli never made a Zucker to the Canucks connection.

I saw that above, but I do think I heard him say Zucker when they played a clip of him on H&B this morning. Maybe I was half-asleep still, though.

 

[Vector]

I saw that above, but I do think I heard him say Zucker when they played a clip of him on H&B this morning.

That would make sense. If I can make some time tomorrow, I'll see if I can find the quote.

It could just come down to Zucker having an NTC and was only willing to waive it to the Canucks if they moved him on to a different team. All seems strange, though.

 

[Peen]

That would make sense. If I can make some time tomorrow, I'll see if I can find the quote.

It could just come down to Zucker having an NTC and was only willing to waive it to the Canucks if they moved him on to a different team. All seems strange, though.

It has to be that, because otherwise not taking on Zucker as the dealbreaker is extremely odd.

 

[bossram]

Will be fascinating if they revisit this around the draft.

Doubt it. This management team is so reactive, not proactive. After Miller's somewhat resurgence under Tocchet, I don't doubt they now think he's the answer at 2C.

 

[m9]

That would make sense. If I can make some time tomorrow, I'll see if I can find the quote.

It could just come down to Zucker having an NTC and was only willing to waive it to the Canucks if they moved him on to a different team. All seems strange, though.

Went back and listened - they actually play it during the intro of the show in the first hour then the full clip 15 minutes in. Says it's from the Daily Faceoff Podcast.

Frank says "I think they got as far deep between the Penguins and Canucks that the Canucks were trying to figure out where they could move Jason Zucker".

 

[racerjoe]

This pits trade is becoming not believable. Moving Zucker makes no sense. Isn't he a UFA? Didn't they not need the space for Granlund, so needing to move Zucker doesnt fit.

Not saying there wasn't major talks or anything like that. Just these details don't add up.

 

[pahlsson]

wasn't there speculation that the nhl effectively snuffed out the trade when they put out the memo that they were gonna be closely examinng trades involving LTIR players

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I know our management would never have kept the picks but having 3 firsts this year and two next year would have been huge.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I think it was probably a complicated deal from the Canucks end. Pittsburgh gives up two 1sts and a cap dump. Canucks try and flip that cap dump for an asset. Also try and trade at least one of those draft picks in a Kirby Dach-like deal. Problem is those deals happen at the draft and not the deadline.

A proactive management team that has an actual plan would’ve sold high on Miller at the draft when picks are at their lowest value and traded those picks at the draft when they’re at their highest value. Now at the draft Vancouver could be competing with other teams that are also looking to shed their higher cost players.

One big plus for any potential Miller trade this offseason is that the free agent market is straight trash so any teams wanting to make a splash may be looking hard at acquiring a player like Miller.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

From the rumours of them trying to find a third team, the Canucks probably wanted to deal away those first round picks immediately for a young centre. The fact that it didn't happen means they were probably sniffing around playoff teams who would understandably want to retain their depth.

I don't believe this for a second. The Canucks could have flipped the picks later. They did that with the Horvat trade! It doesn't make sense.

On the Canucks side, I suspect the issue was too much bad money coming back (and I doubt it was Zucker - he's playing well, and it's an expiring contract).

 

[Phrasing]

I think someone from the Pens is feeding Frank not exactly whole truths because they might be salty about Allvin perhaps not playing ball or to get Hextall fired.

 

[m9]

wasn't there speculation that the nhl effectively snuffed out the trade when they put out the memo that they were gonna be closely examinng trades involving LTIR players

No, it's extremely unlikely the LTIR thing had anything to do with the Canucks. Miller wasn't even on LTIR and was ready to go soon after. Do I think it's possible Miller was sitting out for "trade related reasons" but they didn't want to say anything? Yes. But the LTIR thing specifically didn't have anything to do with Miller.

A proactive management team that has an actual plan would’ve sold high on Miller at the draft when picks are at their lowest value and traded those picks at the draft when they’re at their highest value. Now at the draft Vancouver could be competing with other teams that are also looking to shed their higher cost players.

One big plus for any potential Miller trade this offseason is that the free agent market is straight trash so any teams wanting to make a splash may be looking hard at acquiring a player like Miller.

I definitely agree with you that there were better/other times to JT Miller. That said, if the offer of Zucker/1st/1st is true then that's probably comparable to a return they would have gotten at any point. Especially if they could retain & flip Zucker for another asset. It's in the ballpark as the Horvat deal.