Canucks News, Rumours, & Fantasy GM | Part 2

[Josepho]

i love the more subtle technicalities of the stupid shit benning did.

i think "you want more than mccann", "pearson's agent said he'd get this in free agency", the buyout-proof beagle contract, and this are on my benning negotiating mount rushmore.

 

[MS]

i love the more subtle technicalities of the stupid shit benning did.

i think "you want more than mccann", "pearson's agent said he'd get this in free agency", the buyout-proof beagle contract, and this are on my benning negotiating mount rushmore.

- Dorsett's agent talking about what an easy negotiation his extension was.
- a dumbfounded Treliving saying the offer he took for Boeser (edit : Baertschi) was the best he received 'by far'.

 

[Vector]

And Chris Gear, who still seems to be under the delusion that he was was a great contract negotiator.

That said, I'm sure you could make the trade and just not announce it until September 15 even though everyone knows what's happening.

Could also threaten to waive him or, more likely, treat it like a full-NTC and find a destination he is happy with. It’s really just another needlessly stupid hurdle.

 

[Vector]

i love the more subtle technicalities of the stupid shit benning did.

i think "you want more than mccann", "pearson's agent said he'd get this in free agency", the buyout-proof beagle contract, and this are on my benning negotiating mount rushmore.

- Dorsett's agent talking about what an easy negotiation his extension was.
- a dumbfounded Treliving saying the offer he took for Boeser was the best he received 'by far'.

Turning Halak’s one year contract into a two-year contract through extremely easy to achieve bonuses. Much has been made about the Canucks paying three coaches this season but you don’t hear a peep about how they are paying 3 back-up goalies.

 

[Gstank]

- Dorsett's agent talking about what an easy negotiation his extension was.
- a dumbfounded Treliving saying the offer he took for Boeser was the best he received 'by far'.

? Im confused Trevlining is Calgarys GM what does he ahve to do with Boeser?

 

[MS]

? Im confused Trevlining is Calgarys GM what does he ahve to do with Boeser?

Sorry, Baertschi!

 

[andora]

Sorry, Baertschi!

Was already in a so so mood this morning so thanks

 

[m9]

I just don't understand the logic.

Seems like a complete reach by RD that the bonus was moved later as a way simply to make a trade more difficult as in it was some genius move by Barry. More likely to me the Canucks did that so they had a bigger trade window where they could get out of the entire 6 million if needed. We need to stop treating how RD interprets an agent's spin as truth.

There's zero indication they couldn't pay it anytime after July 1st as the later date is a deadline not a firm payment date and I can't possibly imagine how paying it earlier would be an issue for the player/league. There are plenty of deadline dates for guys who hit ELC bonuses for example.

It's also a bit unclear how the cba determines the cap hit if a team pays the bonus and then trades the player. Not sure it's a guarantee the Canucks could pay and trade without taking the 5 mil hit themselves anyway. Do we have precedence for this in the NHL?

 

[ziploc]

Revisiting old Benning moves that are still hamstringing the team is like setting up a toilet that has live, hot coals strategically arranged on the seat and then periodically going and sitting on it.

 

[Vector]

It's also a bit unclear how the cba determines the cap hit if a team pays the bonus and then trades the player. Not sure it's a guarantee the Canucks could pay and trade without taking the 5 mil hit themselves anyway. Do we have precedence for this in the NHL?

Not sure if there’s precedence but it doesn’t matter since cap hit is determined by the average annual value and nothing else.

 

[drax0s]

Revisiting old Benning moves that are still hamstringing the team is like setting up a toilet that has live, hot coals strategically arranged on the seat and then periodically going and sitting on it.

...a toilet seat that surgically attaches itself to your butt when you sit on it and you need to wait for the coals to cool before it detaches..

 

[m9]

Not sure if there’s precedence but it doesn’t matter since cap hit is determined by the average annual value and nothing else.

Well the total is 6 million, of course. But I'm wondering if there's precedence for a team paying the bonus then trading and just moving the full cap hit in the trade. I just wonder if the Canucks would still be on the hook for a 5 million cap hit.

 

[Vector]

Well the total is 6 million, of course. But I'm wondering if there's precedence for a team paying the bonus then trading and just moving the full cap hit in the trade. I just wonder if the Canucks would still be on the hook for a 5 million cap hit.

Cap hit is set in stone once the contract is signed. It doesn’t matter how it’s structured or when portions are paid out. If it were any different then cap hits would decrease as front loaded contracts tick down. The only way to divide up a cap hit between teams is via retention.

 

[andora]

Revisiting old Benning moves that are still hamstringing the team is like setting up a toilet that has live, hot coals strategically arranged on the seat and then periodically going and sitting on it.

More like a toilet seat in the public bathrooms stanley park early 90s

 

[m9]

Cap hit is set in stone once the contract is signed. It doesn’t matter how it’s structured or when portions are paid out. If it were any different then cap hits would decrease as front loaded contracts tick down. The only way to divide up a cap hit between teams is via retention.

I don't think we're on the same page here so I'll just leave this one be.

 

[Vector]

I don't think we're on the same page here so I'll just leave this one be.

You’re a very smart person who has an excellent understanding of how everything works so it leads me to believe you’re on to something but I can’t suss it out.

The cap hit is 6m. Who pays the bonus and when it’s paid is irrelevant to that calculation. Canucks could pay the bonus, trade him, and the acquiring team picks up his full cap hit and the Canucks will have nothing on the cap.

 

[pitseleh]

You’re a very smart person who has an excellent understanding of how everything works so it leads me to believe you’re on to something but I can’t suss it out.

The cap hit is 6m. Who pays the bonus and when it’s paid is irrelevant to that calculation. Canucks could pay the bonus, trade him, and the acquiring team picks up his full cap hit and the Canucks will have nothing on the cap.

I think there’s a risk that is cap circumvention. Otherwise, teams could just pay a player’s salary in full (or substantial part) before dumping him on the Coyotes. Not sure why that would be different for a bonus.

 

[ziploc]

More like a toilet seat in the public bathrooms stanley park early 90s

Ah yes, the birthplace of tetanus.

 

[Nucker42]

Just hilarious how these agents had their way with Benning. What a dunce.

Exactly

 

[Lindgren]

wrong thread

 

[krutovsdonut]

Well the total is 6 million, of course. But I'm wondering if there's precedence for a team paying the bonus then trading and just moving the full cap hit in the trade. I just wonder if the Canucks would still be on the hook for a 5 million cap hit.

the entire cap hit is averaged and prorated into a daily charge equal to the full aav divided by days.

if you trade a player the cap hit moves instantly to the other team the next day.

so yes we can pay the $5m and then if we trade him without retention the other team assumes the full remaining cap hit for the rest of the season even though they only pay $1m in salary. depending on the day the bonus is due and the timing of the trade that could reduce our cap hit for myers next season to nearly nothing.

if there was a team that needed to get under the cap minimum this would be an asset for us in a trade. but i believe there are no such teams. however, the trade cost to move cap "above player value" with nominal salary is a lot lower than the same cap with salary attached. myers value as a minute munching physical roster power probably gives him positive value to a bad team needing to populate a roster, but the wild card is that myers can use his ten team list to block the ten worst teams that might be interested.

so we are really looking to thread a needle here to move him to a team that has some playoff aspirations, lots of cap space, and a cheap owner who sees myers as a bargain. unfortunately, those same teams usually have fully weaponized their cap space to use for cap bargains or being paid to take cap. the question will be whether they can see a better opportunity to use that cap space than getting myers cheap.

 

[Josepho]

i love the more subtle technicalities of the stupid shit benning did.

i think "you want more than mccann", "pearson's agent said he'd get this in free agency", the buyout-proof beagle contract, and this are on my benning negotiating mount rushmore.

ooh i forgot a good one.

trading mdz to anaheim for a 7th then having anaheim flip him for a higher pick like a month later.

 

[rypper]

The amount of times Benning didn't recognize he already had a better (usually cheaper) player on the roster already and traded/paid in free agency for a shiny new toy.

Richardson, Bonino, Sutter etc.

 

[me2]

Not sure if there’s precedence but it doesn’t matter since cap hit is determined by the average annual value and nothing else.

Not mention just about every season has players paid bonuses in the offseason and traded during the season. I don't think the league would care to differentiate. I'm sure if I dig around I can find some offseason trade post bonus but I can't be bothered.

 

[alternate]

Not mention just about every season has players paid bonuses in the offseason and traded during the season. I don't think the league would care to differentiate. I'm sure if I dig around I can find some offseason trade post bonus but I can't be bothered.

If it was a thing, it would be noted on Caofriendly and in trade discussions. There's never discussions at the TDL about bonus money.